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    the stone of change could craft 3 (non store bought) +2 tomes of the same attribute into a +3. or 3 +3 into a +4.

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    Yet another multiple of 20 and coming up again on shroud after years of running it and still no +3 int tome on my wiz. Frustrating yep. Now I certainly don't want a nice button marked easy but after a few hundred raids you would like to expect the tome for your class to be there.

    Some very basic suggestions:

    1. Get rid of the +2 tomes as rewards in shroud. Seriously +2's as a 20th reward are next to useless.
    2. Revisit the favour system. 1750 reward of +2 tome could be bumped to +3 (I don't care if you need to max out favour to get it).
    3. Have a library to exchange tomes, any 2 (or even 3) +3 tome for the +3 of your choice.
    3.5 The library exchange 10 +2 tomes of the same type for a +3 of type (no store boughts count)
    4. Let +3 tomes all become BTA.
    5. Epic Raid Token Turn in for a +3 tome of your choice (20 or 25 or 30) I dont care.

    Just some thoughts to vent my frustration.
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    I like this idea. Still make it difficult to obtain them, but make it possible to guarantee that you will get them.

    3 x +2 tomes != a +3 tome, that is too simple.

    Make it 10 x +2 tomes = a +3 tome and 10 x +3 tomes = +4 tome. This would be similar to the Siberys (forget the spelling) shard upgrading system in place at the moment. Make all tomes need to be the same type to work (ie 10 +2 int tomes = 1 +3 int tome).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaNeed View Post
    I like this idea. Still make it difficult to obtain them, but make it possible to guarantee that you will get them.

    3 x +2 tomes != a +3 tome, that is too simple.

    Make it 10 x +2 tomes = a +3 tome and 10 x +3 tomes = +4 tome. This would be similar to the Siberys (forget the spelling) shard upgrading system in place at the moment. Make all tomes need to be the same type to work (ie 10 +2 int tomes = 1 +3 int tome).
    Devs would have to make tomes of the same type stacking. But at least you can actually work toward getting the tome you are after. My frustration levels after tonight are running high to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noinfo View Post
    Devs would have to make tomes of the same type stacking. But at least you can actually work toward getting the tome you are after. My frustration levels after tonight are running high to say the least.
    Why would they need to make them stacking? They could give 2 options upon using:

    1. use and get the stat boost.
    2. convert to a 1/10th part of a +3 (or 4) tome ingredient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaNeed View Post
    Why would they need to make them stacking? They could give 2 options upon using:

    1. use and get the stat boost.
    2. convert to a 1/10th part of a +3 (or 4) tome ingredient.
    I would see it as the easiest way to make it work with a stone of change is why. Not that I would actually care how they chose to implement it.

    Another thing they could also consider is a tome part (chapter) as a reward in normal quests for +3 (perhaps untyped)
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    Quote Originally Posted by noinfo View Post
    Yet another multiple of 20 and coming up again on shroud after years of running it and still no +3 int tome on my wiz. Frustrating yep. Now I certainly don't want a nice button marked easy but after a few hundred raids you would like to expect the tome for your class to be there.

    Some very basic suggestions:

    1. Get rid of the +2 tomes as rewards in shroud. Seriously +2's as a 20th reward are next to useless.
    2. Revisit the favour system. 1750 reward of +2 tome could be bumped to +3 (I don't care if you need to max out favour to get it).
    3. Have a library to exchange tomes, any 2 (or even 3) +3 tome for the +3 of your choice.
    3.5 The library exchange 10 +2 tomes of the same type for a +3 of type (no store boughts count)
    4. Let +3 tomes all become BTA.
    5. Epic Raid Token Turn in for a +3 tome of your choice (20 or 25 or 30) I dont care.

    Just some thoughts to vent my frustration.
    No on #1, especially if the rest go into effect. Lots of people TR, and can store those +2's for their next life. Yes you could store +3's or +4's but have to wait longer to apply them.

    The free tome at 1750 favor is just a nice bonus. +2 is a bit low, unless you're favor zerging with a level 20, chances are you'll be around level 20 by the time you hit 1750 favor. This could go up to +3, but +2 is still good for a freebie.

    I like the library exchange idea. 3 of any stat for a same level different stat or 10 same stat for the next level of that stat. Probably won't get used much, since it would take a lot of runs to grab that many tomes. But I like the concept.

    I think all tomes should be unbound. They have min levels for a reason. Its not like a permanent level 20 can toss a +4 tome to a newb and have it work.

    Epic Raid Token turn in... Maybe if it was a really high number. Otherwise, every month or so you'd have people getting +4's (after upgrading). Too powerful. Maybe 50 or 100 epic raid tokens for a +3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzschlag View Post
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    Let's make it so that you can put a tome into the machine and it functions as a coin..

    if you get 3x the same tome with the one armed bandit you are rewarded a +3 tome
    and 2x the same tome is a +2 tome.

    This ofcourse functions only with +2 tome coins and pulling a +3 tome from it is about
    a 0.5% chance of winning..

    i think this is a very good idea *nods*

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    Quote Originally Posted by david_p_hagan View Post
    No on #1, especially if the rest go into effect. Lots of people TR, and can store those +2's for their next life. Yes you could store +3's or +4's but have to wait longer to apply them.

    The free tome at 1750 favor is just a nice bonus. +2 is a bit low, unless you're favor zerging with a level 20, chances are you'll be around level 20 by the time you hit 1750 favor. This could go up to +3, but +2 is still good for a freebie.

    I like the library exchange idea. 3 of any stat for a same level different stat or 10 same stat for the next level of that stat. Probably won't get used much, since it would take a lot of runs to grab that many tomes. But I like the concept.

    I think all tomes should be unbound. They have min levels for a reason. Its not like a permanent level 20 can toss a +4 tome to a newb and have it work.

    Epic Raid Token turn in... Maybe if it was a really high number. Otherwise, every month or so you'd have people getting +4's (after upgrading). Too powerful. Maybe 50 or 100 epic raid tokens for a +3.
    Most TR's store their +3/4 till what they consider their last life for that build.
    Actually when the 1750 fav tome and 32 build was introduced +2 tomes were at top of the tome ladder (this option was my least favourite as I hate favour grinds) but would be ideal for those TR's. I am not a 100% sure as it was just before my time, it may have come out with Giant Hold in which case +3 were available from Reaver on elite.

    As for epic token turn ins remember that currently doing 20 epics raids gives no specific epic end reward currently. This would give that as an option along with possible trades for seals/shards etc.

    Anything that actually allows us to work toward a specific tome rather than blind luck would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwenniez View Post
    Let's make it so that you can put a tome into the machine and it functions as a coin..

    if you get 3x the same tome with the one armed bandit you are rewarded a +3 tome
    and 2x the same tome is a +2 tome.

    This ofcourse functions only with +2 tome coins and pulling a +3 tome from it is about
    a 0.5% chance of winning..

    i think this is a very good idea *nods*
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    Why can't a 20th raid completion just have all six +3 tomes in the reward list? I mean, a 20th completion is a milestone. It's awesome. And there are other things in that list to compete with a +3 tome (assuming you haven't gotten all your loot from that raid by then).

    Or, if that's too easy because of Reaver's Fate, DQ, and other low level raids, then maybe make it any raid that's below level 17 gives all six +2 tomes in reward list, levels 17-19 have all +3 tomes, and level 20 raids have all +4 tomes in list. I mean, there is only 1 level 20 raid right now, and it's hard, so that's a nice reward.

    Plus, if this makes +3 and +4 tomes a little more common, that's just the push Turbine might need to finally make high end content that drops +5 tomes (or maybe they could drop from epic Raids).

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    The rarity of tomes is perfectly fine the way it is. The only thing that needs to be changed is the loss of the tomes on true reincarnation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thriand View Post
    The rarity of tomes is perfectly fine the way it is. The only thing that needs to be changed is the loss of the tomes on true reincarnation.
    I don't know about this. That means if you ate a +4 tome and TR'd, you'd be a level 1 toon who ate a +4 tome...I mean, TRs are already OP because they have the absolute best gear for their level, so does this matter. I don't know...maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterboytkd View Post
    I don't know about this. That means if you ate a +4 tome and TR'd, you'd be a level 1 toon who ate a +4 tome...I mean, TRs are already OP because they have the absolute best gear for their level, so does this matter. I don't know...maybe.
    I am not sure if you understand correctly what people are asking for. +4 tomes are supposed to be applied without violating Minimum Level restriction. At level 1 you won't get any benefit. At level 3 you get +1 bonus. +2 bonus at level 7, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thriand View Post
    The rarity of tomes is perfectly fine the way it is. The only thing that needs to be changed is the loss of the tomes on true reincarnation.
    I wouldn't mind some sort of ability to earn a better tome but overall I have to agree it is more important to be able to keep your tomes throughout your TRs. Make it so the tome only gets applied at the appropiate level if neccessary. The TR xp grind is enough of a detterent to TRing... the thought of losing a +3 (or shudder... a +4) because you want to try out a new build (or your old build got nerfed drastically) is depressing.

    If something like this goes into to place I would like to see it work something like this:

    1. Any 5 +1 tomes get you the +2 of your choice. This would give +1 tomes some use.

    2. You need 2(or 3) of every type of +2 tome in order to get one +3 of your choice. The idea behind this is that you can buy or trade for the +2 tomes you need and it would also make the +2 tome market move quite a bit.

    3. You need 6 +3 tomes (of any type) in exchange for one +4 tome of your choice.

    4. (Optional) For the exceptionally gifted (and non-employed) folks in the group... Any 3 +4 tomes into the +5 of your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thriand View Post
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    The rarity of tomes is perfectly fine the way it is. The only thing that needs to be changed is the loss of the tomes on true reincarnation.
    Actually most of the suggestions don't involve changing the drop rates of them at all (though some do provide other ways of getting them) some of the suggestions allow for trading of tomes which would make them rarer over all.

    The 20th completion in shroud is garbage. In all other raids you are guaranteed 1 piece of raid loot, the shroud provides +3 but a lot of +2 tomes, anyone think that +2 is raid loot for a level 17 raid?

    The most frustrating thing is the complete randomness of it. I would not care if it was harder to get than red dragon scale armour which I would suggest people value far more than a +3 tome but there is a method to trade, farm etc to achieve it.

    While I don't really have an objection to TR getting to keep inherent bonuses and having them applied at appropriate levels, I find it less of an issue than not being able to get the damn thing in the first place. We all saw how popular DT armour was, people like having a sturctured way to be able to achieve a desired outcome, its not an "easy button" but the simple knowledge that if they stick to it they will have achieved their goal within a reasonable time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thriand View Post
    The rarity of tomes is perfectly fine the way it is. The only thing that needs to be changed is the loss of the tomes on true reincarnation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talesin View Post
    I wouldn't mind some sort of ability to earn a better tome but overall I have to agree it is more important to be able to keep your tomes throughout your TRs. Make it so the tome only gets applied at the appropiate level if neccessary. The TR xp grind is enough of a detterent to TRing... the thought of losing a +3 (or shudder... a +4) because you want to try out a new build (or your old build got nerfed drastically) is depressing.

    If something like this goes into to place I would like to see it work something like this:

    1. Any 5 +1 tomes get you the +2 of your choice. This would give +1 tomes some use.

    2. You need 2(or 3) of every type of +2 tome in order to get one +3 of your choice. The idea behind this is that you can buy or trade for the +2 tomes you need and it would also make the +2 tome market move quite a bit.

    3. You need 6 +3 tomes (of any type) in exchange for one +4 tome of your choice.

    4. (Optional) For the exceptionally gifted (and non-employed) folks in the group... Any 3 +4 tomes into the +5 of your choice.
    While I disagree with the form of number 2 prefering to see say 5 of the same +2 for a +3, I would not care what the specifics were as I could actually structure/trade/farm for these effectively in a way that would allow me to reach my goal.

    BTW Turbine I would think that this would drive up store sales btw as looted tomes would be hoarded for this process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noinfo View Post
    While I disagree with the form of number 2 prefering to see say 5 of the same +2 for a +3, I would not care what the specifics were as I could actually structure/trade/farm for these effectively in a way that would allow me to reach my goal.

    BTW Turbine I would think that this would drive up store sales btw as looted tomes would be hoarded for this process.
    Personally I'm a fan of requiring each type of tome (for +2 upgrades to +3), that way no tome is a waste. Your version would work as well but would drive the prices of more popular tomes (CON tomes for instance) through the roof. Requiring every type would help equalize +2 tome prices on the market.

    As far as +3 tomes go being able to use any 5 or 6 +3 tomes to upgrade to a +4 means that you never have that sinking feeling that your 20th raid completion was a waste of time because you didn't get the right type of +3 tome. The one negative effect I can see this having is that you will almost never see a +3 tome going up for roll... Barbs will always loot those CHA tomes and Sorcs will always loot those STR tomes.

    Oh and on 2nd thought I don't want their to ever be an option to morph 3 +4 tomes into a +5... As rare as they are I would HATE to see someone loot a +4 tome in a dump stat simply because they MIGHT someday upgrade it. :O
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