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    Default What do you think about sneak attack with a bow? = steal kills from a far

    Hi,

    Was wondeirng what your thoughts on sneak attack with a bow was? seems on paper, extremely effective, and lets you review the battle field from a distance while stealing kills?

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron111star View Post
    Hi,

    Was wondeirng what your thoughts on sneak attack with a bow was? seems on paper, extremely effective, and lets you review the battle field from a distance while stealing kills?

    cheers
    In order to get sneak attacks with a ranged weapon, you need to be 30' away or less. That's approximately the distance of the AoE of a Haste spell. Any further and no SA applies.
    If you have to be that close, you should be in there getting twice as many sneak attacks with TWF'ing.
    And then there's the whole "ranged attacks are too slow" thing, which makes it even worse.

    But then again, this is just my opinion. And to put it plainly, my opinion is that ranged rogues are a waste of a perfectly good killer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ron111star View Post
    Hi,

    Was wondeirng what your thoughts on sneak attack with a bow was? seems on paper, extremely effective, and lets you review the battle field from a distance while stealing kills?

    cheers
    If you are a 13 rogue / 6 ranger / 1x with bow strength and many shot active, by all means. While that is going you can steal kills near and far.

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    Using a bow for sneak attacks is like pulling the Lord Licorice card in Candyland when you're already past his spot. At first, you're happy. But then you realize you're actually moving backwards.

    Bows are slow. You need to be really close to use them. You only get one attack. All those mean you are doing WAY WAY WAY less damage than you would if you just put on your big-girl panties and meleed.

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    now on a side note if you are keeping your distance and using the FW killing method

    start the pew pew pew on the ones that are very very near dead.

    Otherwise you are not sponge worthy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draccus View Post
    Using a bow for sneak attacks is like pulling the Lord Licorice card in Candyland when you're already past his spot. At first, you're happy. But then you realize you're actually moving backwards.

    Bows are slow. You need to be really close to use them. You only get one attack. All those mean you are doing WAY WAY WAY less damage than you would if you just put on your big-girl panties and meleed.
    Even with the multi shot feat?

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    Removing because the joke is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draccus View Post
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    I think you need to get your kids a new game, Draccus...

    WirelessJoe, I like the first of your /flex screenies, but the second is kind of a yawnfest. Personally, I'm even more adamant about the killcount thing on my rogue than Draccus--you shouldn't just be leading...you shouldn't just double the number of kills of the next highest person...you should get more kills than the entire rest of the party combined!
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    Default Can't stand tehm hobits...What do you think of Rogue Elves?

    Hi,

    Hobits get a benlaty on Strength and ehnce damage. So I don't like them for rogues, since this penalty gets amplified in sneak attacks (I beleive)

    what do you think of Elf Rogues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron111star View Post
    Hi,

    Hobits get a benlaty on Strength and ehnce damage. So I don't like them for rogues, since this penalty gets amplified in sneak attacks (I beleive)

    what do you think of Elf Rogues?
    Halflings are the only race you ever need to consider for kill-stealing. This is because
    1. they are smaller and harder for players to notice you stealing their kills
    2. their penalties only matter when you don't get your sneak attack (which should be, like, NEVER for a good kill stealer, since you should ONLY ever be attacking low HP, crittable mobs who don't have aggro on you)
    3. they can get enhancements with huge bonuses to sneak attack for the purposes of kill stealing.


    btw, Ron, this is supposed to be a joke thread, not an advice thread.

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    oh, I was joking... ;o)

    thanks for the input

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    Default This is a Shameless Necro

    I know this is an old thread, but it's still a fantastic post.

    I'm raising it from the dead because I know that there are many new players who haven't read it and I hope to get it back on some peoples' radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldCoaly View Post
    I know this is an old thread, but it's still a fantastic post.

    I'm raising it from the dead because I know that there are many new players who haven't read it and I hope to get it back on some peoples' radar.
    I see your raise and re-raise, because I was recently referred to this lovely thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiberiusofTyr View Post
    Sorry Dresek I couldn't help myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aranticus View Post
    that caster is lousy
    Quote Originally Posted by sephiroth1084 View Post
    How about: that caster, barbarian, fighter and wizard are all lousy?
    Rofl!

    Uh Guys....Cleric in Party!!!!

    Any Cleric that DOESN'T have at least TWICE as many kills as anyone else in Delera's NEEDS to Re-Roll!

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    hilarious....i laughed so hard i got hiccups excellent necro

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    Rofl!

    Uh Guys....Cleric in Party!!!!

    Any Cleric that DOESN'T have at least TWICE as many kills as anyone else in Delera's NEEDS to Re-Roll!
    1) 2010. Don't necro a solitary post

    2) My cleric had equal kills to a sorc... as a melee. Who needs to reroll more, the WF sorc (with ED twists) or the cleric with a holy/undead bane maul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draccus View Post
    I enter a room and see a lot of different monsters. Which one should I attack:
    [ ] Elite Orthon Defender
    [ ] Dense Earth Elemental
    [ ] Suulomades
    [ ] Kobold Thrower
    Easy
    Assassinate the orthon
    Charm the elemental and let it kill the kobold
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    Anyway, a good rogue will smash the breakables, find the secret doors, disable the traps, solve the puzzles and still be in the kill lead, you better go reroll mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfurnace View Post
    1) 2010. Don't necro a solitary post

    2) My cleric had equal kills to a sorc... as a melee. Who needs to reroll more, the WF sorc (with ED twists) or the cleric with a holy/undead bane maul?
    I didn't necro this thread - I replied after the Necro - There is a difference you know

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    This is proof that it's okay to Necro with discretion. Somethings are worth bringing back. Course, then someone will yell at the wrong person for necro'ing it in the first place, just adding to the giggles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfurnace View Post
    1) 2010. Don't necro a solitary post

    2) My cleric had equal kills to a sorc... as a melee. Who needs to reroll more, the WF sorc (with ED twists) or the cleric with a holy/undead bane maul?
    This isn't a necro.

    This is a bump because I don't care who the mayor is.

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