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    hi, was wondering if this would work its main aim is a lil sneak attack damage coupled with the dragonmarks from halfling and wholeness of body from monk to keep alive while soloing. if not a lil advice on where to replace stuff and add stuff

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    Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Female
    (8 Monk \ 12 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 218
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
    Fortitude: 12
    Reflex: 22
    Will: 13
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             14                    14
    Dexterity            16                    23
    Constitution         12                    12
    Intelligence         14                    14
    Wisdom               14                    15
    Charisma              8                     8
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               3                     6
    Bluff                 3                     7
    Concentration         2                     9
    Diplomacy             3                     3
    Disable Device        6                    25
    Haggle               -1                     1
    Heal                  2                     4
    Hide                  7                    39
    Intimidate           -1                    -1
    Jump                  2                     6
    Listen                2                     5
    Move Silently         7                    33
    Open Lock             7                    29
    Perform              n/a                   n/a
    Repair                2                     2
    Search                6                    25
    Spot                  6                    25
    Swim                  2                     2
    Tumble                5                    11
    Use Magic Device      3                    22
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Bluff (+4)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Hide (+4)
    Skill: Move Silently (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Healing
    Feat: (Automatic) Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
    Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
    Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
    Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
    Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Thrown Weapon Focus
    Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
    Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
    Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
    
    
    Level 2 (Monk)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
    Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
    Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
    Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
    Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
    Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
    
    
    Level 3 (Monk)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
    Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
    Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
    Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
    Feat: (Automatic) Trip
    
    
    Level 4 (Monk)
    Ability Raise: DEX
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
    Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
    Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind
    Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
    Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion I
    Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Reflex) I
    Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
    Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Void Strike I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Monk Jump I
    Enhancement: Monk Tumble I
    Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
    Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
    
    
    Level 5 (Monk)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
    Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall
    Enhancement: Static Charge
    Enhancement: Monk Jump II
    
    
    Level 6 (Monk)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Healing
    Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
    Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body
    Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
    Enhancement: Porous Soul
    
    
    Level 7 (Monk)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse
    Enhancement: Adept of Wind
    Enhancement: Monk Tumble II
    
    
    Level 8 (Monk)
    Ability Raise: DEX
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body
    Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
    
    
    Level 9 (Monk)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Dragonmark of Healing
    Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame
    Enhancement: Adept of Flame
    
    
    Level 10 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
    Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
    Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
    
    
    Level 11 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+7)
    Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
    
    
    Level 12 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: DEX
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+6)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
    Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
    Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
    
    
    Level 13 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+6)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
    Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
    Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
    
    
    Level 14 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+4)
    Skill: Listen (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
    
    
    Level 15 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+5)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
    
    
    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: DEX
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+5)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
    Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II
    
    
    Level 17 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+2)
    Skill: Move Silently (+3)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
    
    
    Level 18 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Diehard
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
    Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion III
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: DEX
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
    Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II

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    If you're going Dark Monk, go to at least level 9 for Touch of Death. I know you'll lose out on a t2 Rogue PrE, but it's probably worth it
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    12 monk 6 fighter 2 rogue.

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    hmm thats not a bad idea... forgot to add this is mainly using shortswords as a weapon as the ninja spy prestige adds them as a ki weapon. gunga elaborate where the advantages are in 6 fighter? as im using umd on the rogue levels.

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    6 Fighter Levels:

    4 ADDITIONAL Feats
    ADDITIONAL +2 to hit, +3 Damage
    Haste Boost II
    Fighter Str II

    2 Rogue Levels:

    FULL UMD
    A few extra skill points for roguiness.
    +6.5 Backstab (which you wont see very often when you're soloing).

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    not to mention points to keep the roguness up fighter doesnt offer that

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    Monk12/Rogue7/Fighter1.
    Monk 12 is a nice split. Gives you that super jump for example. You can also go rank 2 Ninja. With Rogue7 it should be easy to max all rogueish skills. And you get a nice SA bonus. Fighter 1 is for extra feat.

    But don't forget, that at one point, your main source of self-healing will be UMD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Symar-FangofLloth View Post
    If you're going Dark Monk, go to at least level 9 for Touch of Death. I know you'll lose out on a t2 Rogue PrE, but it's probably worth it
    And my advice was going to be going 13 rogue to get 2 of the special feats, most likely Improved Evasion and Crippling Strike.

    //Edit: Also on skills, Monks use Concentration, so I'd send a few more skill points that way.

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    If you plan to fight unarmed, you want at least monk 9 for ToD and monk 12 is probably best for 3rd-tier stances and the bump to base dmg. If you plan to fight w/short swords, I think monk 7 / rogue 13 is a better combo; monk 8 is pretty blah and rogue 13 gets you an extra D6 SA and rogue bonus feat.

    I would definitely bump CON to at least 14; maybe drop INT to 12.

    I don't see Power Attack or Improved Crit; you want both, IMHO. Drop Diehard and...hrm, I'm not sure what you can drop to make room for it, actually.

    Skills are all right, but as stated you should definitely bump up Concentration.

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    Dragonmarks are a waste of feat slots. You can UMD heal scrolls or wands, or use potions to heal yourself.

    Mixing Rogue with Fighter or Monk is typically not a good idea unless you are doing a very specialized build. For generic DPS, pure Rogue would be better in end-game content. By going 20 Rogue instead of 13, you will have 7d6 more sneak attack damage. In addition, assassinate DC could be at a more useful level. If you only take 13 levels of Rogue, your assassinate DC will be 6 DC - or a 30% chance - lower.

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    8 monk with a dark path is kind of silly IMO. If you want to use the shortswords go 6 or 7 monk. I've a got a friend working on a 13/7 rogue/monk, with elf for the Displacement dragonmark.
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    1) Dragon Marks aren't worth it if you can max your UMD score. With rogue levels you can get your UMD score to a value high enough not to fail your UMD check for heal scrolls at higher levels/with some gear.

    2) You go the weapon finesse route and start with 14 strength (on a halfling). If you go weapon finesse on a halfling start with 12 str and put the other 4 points elsewhere. That one point less damage you deal won't make a big difference. Even better would be going strength based imo.

    3) You have some feats that I wouldn't choose:
    - dodge (+1 AC barely makes a difference unless you got some really high AC on your build)
    - diehard (complete waste of a feat to select)
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    Dodge is a Ninja Spy pre-req.

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    thanks for all the feedback... monk 7 would most likely be the best option as that still gives the wholeness of body feat, the dragonmarks i have noticed on my current 7monk/1rogue/1cleric its not any use anymore. but the cost of replacing the current ones i have isnt worth it at the moment.

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    I actually have this build on my (pseudo)main, Aex. Currently, he's 11/6 Rogue Monk.

    Your choices, imo, really should be 13/7 Rogue/Monk, or 11/9 Rogue/Monk

    In the end, you have to decide one key thing; do you want either:
    1) (13/7) A total of 2 more levels of rogue skills, another rogue specialty (Crippling Strike, really. With wind stance and w/e shortswords, well...you do the math; that or imp evasion), 2d6 more SA, and death attack to compliment your ninja's vanishing act. I guess Subtle Backstab 4 would count too, as well as faster sneaking 4

    2) (11/9) Free imp evasion (swap your rog spec), Touch of Death.

    Hm. Now I even have to rethink mine XD.

    Really it depends on what YOU want to do. If you think your skills are sufficient, then you can skip assassin pretty well, and go for the 500's. Wouldn't be bad damage when you can't SA.
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