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    [QUOTE=Eladrin;2989398]If you acquired a double strike effect from somewhere, then yes, Touch of Death could double strike (and trigger an off hand attack) for a total of three attacks. You may have to wait for the next tier of Warchanter though.


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    ok its kahza's third life and yes i love ranger so much doing it again, so i was 20 on my second life when the mod 5 N"WORD" hit..

    I did not notice 2 big of a change i still rocked...now on third life just hit tempest 1 and not filling so freash any more .. so lets see if im understanding page 1'sj graph correctly..

    Tempest 1 10%DS - 100%MAINHAND - 90%OFFHAND

    Tempest 2 10%DS - 100%MAINHAND - 100%OFFHAND

    Tempest 3 5% DS - 105% MAINHAND - 100%OFFHAND....

    So assuming im correct on this 1st question..? why on temest 3 am i loosing 5%DS. When the whole point of tempest 3 was for the extra ac and att.. hmm.. and why 105%main hand att is that even possible?,, isnt that like 110 % heavy fort, lol so any why be nice! i didnt fill like reading 140 pages.. just want too make sure im reading the graph correctly on page 1 ty and have anice day -Rich
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    Quote Originally Posted by die View Post
    So assuming im correct on this 1st question..? why on temest 3 am i loosing 5%DS.
    Double Strike and Off Hand Proc are two different things. You appear to be conflating them. Tempest 1 and Tempest 2 both provide an additional +10% to offhand proc, above and beyond GTWF. This determines the chance of an offhand attack happening.

    Double Strike gives a percentage chance to have two main hand attacks instead of one. That's what the 105% means. On average, you have 105% the number of main hand attacks compared to someone with no double strike.

    As to why Tempest 3 gives only 5% instead of 10%? Double strike is worth more DPS than adding offhand proc, since your offhand weapon only gets half your STR mod. 10% doublestrike would be a greater increase in DPS than the 10% offhand proc of previous tiers. Tempest 3 is somewhat less an increase in DPS than Tempest 1 and 2, but not by an unreasonable amount.

    Also, what's with all the blank lines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkyle View Post
    Double Strike and Off Hand Proc are two different things. You appear to be conflating them. Tempest 1 and Tempest 2 both provide an additional +10% to offhand proc, above and beyond GTWF. This determines the chance of an offhand attack happening.

    Double Strike gives a percentage chance to have two main hand attacks instead of one. That's what the 105% means. On average, you have 105% the number of main hand attacks compared to someone with no double strike.

    As to why Tempest 3 gives only 5% instead of 10%? Double strike is worth more DPS than adding offhand proc, since your offhand weapon only gets half your STR mod. 10% doublestrike would be a greater increase in DPS than the 10% offhand proc of previous tiers. Tempest 3 is somewhat less an increase in DPS than Tempest 1 and 2, but not by an unreasonable amount.

    Also, what's with all the blank lines?
    Ty very much for the reply.. and i fixed that gap lol it looks like i had a 5 way down at the bottom of the page for some reason .."scratches head" once again ty very much for the speedy reply
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    I am curious. If this is the case why not just skip off hand attacks all together and just ramp up the attacks with the main hand till they balance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DustTheWind View Post
    I am curious. If this is the case why not just skip off hand attacks all together and just ramp up the attacks with the main hand till they balance?
    Huh? Are you replying to a specific post? There appears to be some context missing here.

    Also, it's best to avoid necroing threads like this.

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    Don't mean to continue the thread necro, but this mechanic gives a twf feel to the tempest (and monk) lines. If it only gave a double strike (see kensei lines) then the PrE would also support THF and SB toons. As a twf, the increase to offhand proc makes it equally important what you have in ur left hand (again, compare with a twf kensei who does 80% offhand proc...).
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    I don't believe it was necroing what ever that is... not sure exactly. Its the main topic of this thread the change to 2 handed fighting. If they were going to save bandwidth to have more strikes on the main hand I am saying why not go all the way and save more bandwidth. The 2 handed fighting feel would be the same. You would still get about the same number of strikes. Just with out sending 2 hit tags you would only send 1 hit tag. Thats the point they are making which reduces lag. less data.

    Oh by necroing threads you mean an old thread maybe? I had no idea there was a rule against that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DustTheWind View Post
    I don't believe it was necroing what ever that is... not sure exactly. Its the main topic of this thread the change to 2 handed fighting. If they were going to save bandwidth to have more strikes on the main hand I am saying why not go all the way and save more bandwidth. The 2 handed fighting feel would be the same. You would still get about the same number of strikes. Just with out sending 2 hit tags you would only send 1 hit tag. Thats the point they are making which reduces lag. less data.

    Oh by necroing threads you mean an old thread maybe? I had no idea there was a rule against that.
    Necroing a thread is bringing a thread back to life.
    This thread raged on for over 180 pages, and had FINALLY died about 6 months ago.

    Two Handed Fighting is different from Two Weapon Fighting. This thread deals with TWF, not THF.
    Just "ramping up the attacks", as you put it, would do nothing to help with all the physics checks that they claimed were the cause of much of the lag, which is why the off-hand strike mechanics were changed.
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