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    Default Complete a quick online survey, get free turbine points!

    Sounds like a bad spam post, right?

    Apparently not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mockduck View Post
    He also mentioned that Turbine will soon announce details of a deal with a third-party vendor to allow players to earn Turbine Points through some kind of "offer-based payment options", which means you'll do something like take a short survey for some commercial entity and earn Turbine Points in return
    Since the quoted thread also includes details on guild housing, there was no hope of holding a coherent discussion about anything else. I decided to make a separate one for discussing this.

    Personally, I think it sounds like just another one of those sleazy scams, although I expect a fair bit of marketSpeak from Turbine.

    Really, no one answers those surveys honestly, especially not if there is a prize at the end. They must be after something else. E-mail addresses? Phone numbers? Our credit card numbers, provided to them by Turbine for our convenience? OK, probably not that last one, I don't think Turbine would actually do that.

    Either way, I don't think this is a good idea.

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    Nah, they're taking a page from Facebook, where You can earn "Points" on their free-to-play games by: Taking surveys, signing up for Netflix (and dozens of others), getting a life insurance quote, and other stuff like that. It's totally legit, and it works.........
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    yay, do I get a free laptop with my participation?
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Huxley
    There is no greater mistake than the hasty conclusion that opinions are worthless because they are badly argued
    Turbine, you can hire more developers for the game. We operate on a giant Theocracy of Debt, so go all out finding developers for the best MMO out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranmaru2 View Post
    yay, do I get a free laptop with my participation?
    No, but maybe an XBox.


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    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThrasherGT View Post
    Nah, they're taking a page from Facebook, where You can earn "Points" on their free-to-play games by: Taking surveys, signing up for Netflix (and dozens of others), getting a life insurance quote, and other stuff like that. It's totally legit, and it works.........
    I am well aware of that.

    However, I assume the following is true:

    1. Nobody is stupid enough to answer the questions honestly
    2. People who administer such surveys for a living know that

    Since they are obviously paying Turbine, what are they getting in exchange?

    EDIT: And most of the things you mentioned are scams, one way or the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranmaru2 View Post
    yay, do I get a free laptop with my participation?
    you will receive a used commodore 64, and it wont run ddo....their advertisement is "lag free"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Therilith View Post
    I am well aware of that.

    However, I assume the following is true:

    1. Nobody is stupid enough to answer the questions honestly
    2. People who administer such surveys for a living know that

    Since they are obviously paying Turbine, what are they getting in exchange?
    I've seen this in a couple of other online games. In those instances I found that any surveys gave very very few "points" or very little online credit. Most of the points/credits came from purchasing products, and in general I would have to spend much more on the product to get any decent amount of game time.

    That's only useful if they were selling any products I was interested from a vendor I was interested in, and I didn't find any of either.

    I found those experiences were of no interest to me and I felt cheapened the reputation of those games, but bear in mind I have a strong reaction to the constant drumbeat of buy this-buy that and the over-hyping of game machines, sattelite TV dishes, cosmetic products, credit cards, anything to grab a buck. That's just one of my pet issues. So maybe my reaction is not typical and there are many others with lots of cash who will purchase such products to get the points. I wish Turbine only the best of luck with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    No, but maybe an XBox.

    Great, so instead of getting something potentially stable I get the most suicidal entertainment console on the market? That makes me feel sooooo much better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Huxley
    There is no greater mistake than the hasty conclusion that opinions are worthless because they are badly argued
    Turbine, you can hire more developers for the game. We operate on a giant Theocracy of Debt, so go all out finding developers for the best MMO out there

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    The only way either of them will make any real money with this is by resorting to cheap tricks.

    Meanwhile, DDOs reputation will inevitably be cheapened...

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    These sorts of ads are called Lead Gen (sales lead generation) ads. Most famously they are all over Facebook "games" like Farmville. Facebook and Zynga, Farmville's publisher, love 'em because they make them piles and piles of money. At their worst they are outright scams that mislead consumers who aren't careful into subscribing to useless junk, at their best they sucker you into a sales pitch.

    Techcrunch's Michael Arrington did a very informative blog post about them late last year that caused a stir in the industry and there have been some mild reforms and policing, but it's still very much the Wild West out there. If someone is offering you a deal that seems to be too good to be true (like free Turbine points), it probably is - remember, they are paying Turbine for those points they want to "give" you. If they want you to just complete a little survey, it's not really the survey results they want, it's some sort of lead on you - phone number or cell number so they can 3rd party bill your phone is a common one. One way or another they are making money on this, not doing it because they want to give stuff away.

    Very, very big "Caveat Emptor" on this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranmaru2 View Post
    Great, so instead of getting something potentially stable I get the most suicidal entertainment console on the market? That makes me feel sooooo much better.
    Well, it does come with a lifetime supply of Prozac and Viagra.


    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Therilith View Post
    I am well aware of that.

    However, I assume the following is true:

    1. Nobody is stupid enough to answer the questions honestly
    2. People who administer such surveys for a living know that

    Since they are obviously paying Turbine, what are they getting in exchange?

    EDIT: And most of the things you mentioned are scams, one way or the other.
    One thing they are getting is clickthrough traffic to their site, which can equate to cash.

    My wife has a site where she sells cross-stitch designs, and also has a large selection of free designs. She signed up a couple of years ago with a clickthrough advertiser where she got a fraction of a cent for each unique visit to pages on her site. She has a couple of hundred pages with artwork to peruse. She also has run a weekly "Find the Cheshire Cat's smile" scavanger hunt in her pages for years, to win a free design.

    After the first month the clickthrough advertiser dropped my wife's account and refused to pay the nearly $800 worth of clickthroughs generated, claiming that she set up a scam to cheat them. She never got paid but did get an apology for the accusation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThrasherGT View Post
    Nah, they're taking a page from Facebook, where You can earn "Points" on their free-to-play games by: Taking surveys, signing up for Netflix (and dozens of others), getting a life insurance quote, and other stuff like that. It's totally legit, and it works.........
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    Yeah, no, it's not.

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    eh... every time i go to panda express i get a free entrée item for completing a survey

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    Wait,

    Are people actually confused about how advertising works? They give you a reason to look at their stuff. Really, do you think stores give out coupons because they want to save you money? Its not any different here.

    Sure, some of them are scams. Like how they used to sell those "best of genre" albums on tv and the guy said the songs were all by the original artists. By which he meant "they were all by a cover band called The Original Artists" :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vormaerin View Post
    Really, do you think stores give out coupons because they want to save you money? Its not any different here.
    That's actually loyalty building to try and get you to always shop their instead of a competitor. Which is a happy and valid tactic because you can always take those coupons, go shop once, and then skip off on your marry way and go shop somewhere else later.

    The offers that Zynga usually provide are obvious and horrible scams looking to take all your information. Or they're Netflix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylinwolf View Post
    That's actually loyalty building to try and get you to always shop their instead of a competitor. Which is a happy and valid tactic because you can always take those coupons, go shop once, and then skip off on your marry way and go shop somewhere else later.

    The offers that Zynga usually provide are obvious and horrible scams looking to take all your information. Or they're Netflix.
    No, they aren't loyalty building things. They are ads designed to get you to come in and spend money you otherwise wouldn't. Every one of those 'coupons' benefits the company or they wouldn't do them. "Loyalty cards" are more valuable for data mining than they are for any effect they have on where you shop.

    Some companies are unethical about their use of such material. Some aren't.

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    Yeah, I don't like that model. Most times it's only open to certain regions and you don't get the end reward. Or you never get the end reward as it goes around and around in circles. Most times it's just to get your details to spam you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TasteTester View Post
    phone number or cell number so they can 3rd party bill your phone is a common one.
    Im never away from news on the net especially internet and tech related and i have never heard of this scam from a proper well known trading company. Maybe from illegal scammers or hackers trying to phish but never from a real company whether its in small writing or not. Obviously if its not in terms and conditions its illegal then and Turbine wont want involved in that kind of scandal.

    yeh official, professional traders and retailers obviusly dont give anything for nothing, its maybe a weay to generate leads or tempt people to investigate further then maybe buy something they didnt mean to originaly but if you are intelligent enough you can play these guys at their own game because they have rules they still must follow. Its the possible illegal scammers you have to be very aware of of which I dont think Turbine is.
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    What you usually see companies doing is acting ligit themselves, but in the really fine print in the ToS that likely nobody reads, you agree that by providing your email address and/or phone number the company you are dealing with is allowed to sell that information to 3 party company's to inform you of product / deals you may be interested in (SPAM!!!!!!!!). Of course there is always a way to opt - out, but unless you read the ToS you won't know how to do it, and it will be to late by that point. Cause those 3 party companies will spread your information like wild fire.
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