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    Arrow Everyone Bastard Sword or Khopesh

    In everyone's opinion which is best?

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    Khopesh, hands down

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    I agree all-around the khopesh takes the cake

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    Anybody disagree or is there an even better weapon?

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    There is no disagreement. The Khopesh has been the single most powerful 1hander for a long time, due to it's crit rate and range. Bastard swords are, sadly, a waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Achillzeus View Post
    In everyone's opinion which is best?
    For DPS, the Kopesh is much better.

    However:
    1. Bastard swords are generally a lot cheaper to come by, e.g. on the AH.
    2. For vorpal effect (and disruptors), Bastard sword works as well as any other slashing weapon.

    For a new player, low on funny money, it can be an option to use bastard swords instead.

    If using a TWF toon, and don't want to spend the extra feat, put a seeker weapon in the off-hand and a vorpal BS in the main hand... works great for confirming the crit to make the vorpal effect take place. If you should happen to have a bloodstone, it's nice to dual wield two vorpal Bastard swords (or sell the bloodstone and get some nice Kopeshes ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeromio View Post
    If using a TWF toon, and don't want to spend the extra feat, put a seeker weapon in the off-hand and a vorpal BS in the main hand... works great for confirming the crit to make the vorpal effect take place. If you should happen to have a bloodstone, it's nice to dual wield two vorpal Bastard swords (or sell the bloodstone and get some nice Kopeshes ).
    Who isn't auto-confirming crits again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeromio View Post
    However:
    1. Bastard swords are generally a lot cheaper to come by, e.g. on the AH.
    2. For vorpal effect (and disruptors), Bastard sword works as well as any other slashing weapon.

    For a new player, low on funny money, it can be an option to use bastard swords instead.
    But even a khopesh with lesser effects will outperform a much more powerful bastard sword.
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    Light hammers - because they are 3x crits just like larger hammers and are throwable....in my head they do anyway.

    Why is anyone even asking this question? The numbers are really obvious. And show how whoever made the decision at Turbine 4 years ago to make the khopesh the only weapon you should ever take on a str build ruined every other weapon in the game as a result.

    Like said, bastard swords can be a good choice when you have no money, and people are giving them away "Take my vorpal ...please". The reason they are giving them away is because they are not as good. The end.

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    For best average dps vs 0% fort red/purple named.. Khopesh.

    But other weapons aren't junk, they have their place.

    Best high fort DPS: Dwarven Axe
    Best 100% crit DPS: Heavy Pick (Dwarven Axe is also ahead of Khopesh here)
    Best versus very high AC target: Dwarven Axe (on dwarf characater with +2 to hit enhance)

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    Khopesh hands down...

    Interestingly enough, approx 25-50% of the "good" effects weapons I pull are Bastard swords... Thought about making a BS user, but just couldn't do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riggs View Post
    And show how whoever made the decision at Turbine 4 years ago to make the khopesh the only weapon you should ever take on a str build ruined every other weapon in the game as a result.
    Yeah, If only they'd get rid of the stupid things! Of course, that would have the unintended ripple of 'gimping' humans, since they have no racial weapon enhancement. Blah!
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    Keep in mind that, while a Khopesh does pretty much outdamage a Bastard Sword in every cirmustance (I think BS is better vs 100% Fort). A Bastard sword can easily do enough damage to contribute, and yes (if you're interested) you can lead the kill count while swinging them.

    Khopesh is the better weapon, but if you happen to like the look of a BS more, they're good enough.

    I've never kicked anyone out, nor been kicked out of a group for not using Khopeshs.

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    Is a fact tha kopesh have a lot of chance to throw a crit but his base damage is 1d8 like a longsword but hs crit chance is 15% like shortsword and like someone say for vorpal effects is very usful but not all your targets will fall because your vorpal.
    the bastards have a base damage os a 1d10 and 10% of crit chance not much diferent betwen both.
    finally for price, damage and variety of effects i prefer the bastards swords

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    It's not a matter of opinion - the khopesh is the better weapon.

    The only reason to maybe go bastard sword would be if cost were a factor. But even then...
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    Everyone knows the Kama is supreme. Sure it may look horrible, and do horrible damage, and have stats that make the starter dagger from Veteran Status look awesome, but don't let that fool you, the Kama Revolution is coming and I suggest you pick the right side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Achillzeus View Post
    In everyone's opinion which is best?
    Bastard Swords and Dwarven Axes actually out perform Khopesh UNTIL you have both improved Crt AND Power attack.
    Bastard Swords and Dwarven Axes: base 6.05 improv crit 6.6 power att 11.55 improv crit and power att 12.6
    Khopesh: base 5.4 improv crit 6.3 power att 11.4 improv crit and power att 13.3

    So YES Khopesh is better - Unless you get Dwarven Axes for free and / or racial enhancements to axes.

    Side-note: for ALL weapons power attack will out preform improved critical and so should be a priority for all melee classes. Of course using it with a low THAC0 or 'to hit' or against a high AC boss will cause you to miss a lot which will bring down your dps.

    The only bonus to Bastards is, as noted previously, their cheapness on the Auction house and flavor!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakedamus View Post
    Bastard Swords and Dwarven Axes actually out perform Khopesh UNTIL you have both improved Crt AND Power attack.
    Bastard Swords and Dwarven Axes: base 6.05 improv crit 6.6 power att 11.55 improv crit and power att 12.6
    Khopesh: base 5.4 improv crit 6.3 power att 11.4 improv crit and power att 13.3

    So YES Khopesh is better - Unless you get Dwarven Axes for free and / or racial enhancements to axes.

    Side-note: for ALL weapons power attack will out preform improved critical and so should be a priority for all melee classes. Of course using it with a low THAC0 or 'to hit' or against a high AC boss will cause you to miss a lot which will bring down your dps.

    The only bonus to Bastards is, as noted previously, their cheapness on the Auction house and flavor!
    So you necroed a post to add bad math? (You're only right if the person has 10 strength and no other bonuses like seeker)

    Assuming only missing on a 1 (If you miss more than that it just makes the khopesh even better)
    No improved critical
    x represents the characters base damage bonus (strength, power attack whatever)

    Khopesh
    1d8
    19-20x3

    .85(4.5+x) + .1(4.5+x)*3
    (4.5+x)(.85+.3)
    5.175 + 1.15x

    Bastard Sword
    1d10
    19-20*2

    .85(5.5+x)+.1(5.5+x)*2
    (5.5+x)(.85+.2)
    5.775 + 1.05x

    Khopesh without improved critical wins for x > 6 (Which only takes 22 strength)

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