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    Between the feats and enhancements, +7 to hit and damage, plus critical boosts, plus speed boosts, plus 20 sec fighter boosts. Is it enough to be viable?

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    Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Male
    (8 Fighter \ 9 Monk \ 3 Ranger) 
    Hit Points: 278
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
    Fortitude: 16
    Reflex: 19
    Will: 12
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength              8                     8
    Dexterity            18                    26
    Constitution         12                    12
    Intelligence         16                    16
    Wisdom               14                    16
    Charisma             10                    10
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               4                     8
    Bluff                 0                     1
    Concentration         1                     2
    Diplomacy             0                     3
    Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
    Haggle                0                     0
    Heal                  2                     3
    Hide                  4                     8
    Intimidate            0                     1
    Jump                 -1                    -1
    Listen                2                     5
    Move Silently         4                     8
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform               n/a                   n/a
    Repair                3                     3
    Search                3                     5
    Spot                  2                     5
    Swim                 -1                    -1
    Tumble                n/a                   n/a
    Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a
    
    Level 1 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Thrown Weapons
    
    
    Level 2 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot
    Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot
    
    
    Level 4 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 5 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 6 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Deflect Arrows
    Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw
    
    
    Level 7 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 8 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 9 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Critical
    
    
    Level 10 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise
    
    
    Level 11 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 12 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    
    
    Level 13 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Mobility
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shot on the Run
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Thrown Weapons
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Thrown Weapons
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
    Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
    Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
    Enhancement: Drow Ranged Attack I
    Enhancement: Drow Ranged Attack II
    Enhancement: Drow Ranged Damage I
    Enhancement: Drow Ranged Damage II
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
    Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore I
    Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore I
    Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I
    Enhancement: Kensei Shuriken Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    Enhancement: Fighter Shuriken Specialization I
    Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
    Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
    Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane I
    Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane II
    Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
    Enhancement: Adept of Wind
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
    Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

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    Is it enough to be viable?
    No. Nowhere even close. Especially with 8 Str.

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    Not to mention the fact that finding a shuriken that isn't completely worthless is pretty much impossible. The idea of a shuriken monk may be fun, but it's never going to work in practice.

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    If you are determined to be a throwing person, wouldn't halfling be a better race?

    Also, the best shuriken you will find will still suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theb View Post
    Between the feats and enhancements, +7 to hit and damage, plus critical boosts, plus speed boosts, plus 20 sec fighter boosts. Is it enough to be viable?

    No, in fact it's a bad idea.

    Throwing weapons, like the Shuriken, get their accuracy from your Dexterity Modifier, but their damage is still determined by your Strength Modifier

    Your base shuriken does .. 1d2 damage (and a GS Shuriken does... 1d3) so it's not a good damage weapon. At best every monk should have a shuriken when they need to hit something ranged, but it is no where near strong enough to be your primary and sole means of combat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byzantinebob View Post
    If you are determined to be a throwing person, wouldn't halfling be a better race?

    Also, the best shuriken you will find will still suck.
    While halflings have a bonus to throwing in general and Attack and Damage enhancements, Drow also get enhancements for Shuriken Attack and Damage.
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    There is no such thing as a viable character who specializes in throwing weapons. Ranged weapon speed sucks, even if you pick up 10,000 Stars. It boils down to poor weapon selection (take a good, long look at the damage roll of a shiruken) and really, really bad ranged attack speed.

    Sorry, OP. I know it sounds like fun.
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    I even took the monk feat that increases throwing speed for 30 seconds, or whatever. I saw maybe a 20% increase in speed which equated to this:
    Throw..........Throw..........Throw..........Throw ..........Throw
    Throw........Throw........Throw........Throw...... ..Throw

    even with a 30 strength i was doing like 14 points of damage, maybe 20+ on a crit, meanwhile rangers are destroying enemies even without manyshot activated.

    Shuriken is your ranged weapon, and used only if you cant get to the enemy to delived fist justice, as I like to call it
    Shaamis is REBORN!

    Stronger!Faster! DRUNKER THAN EVER!!!

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    For the love of your future chances to get into a group, forget about shurikens. Even the devs themselves make fun of them.
    Also concentrate on ONE class. Sorry but this build looks like pure ****. Either go for a Ranger18/Monk1/Fighter 1 or better just stay a pure Monk OR Fighter and learn to play as that.

    Also don´t take the fricken Swamp/Desert .. Lores. The Ranger has a nice 20 sec boost enhancement for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ivar415 View Post
    For the love of your future chances to get into a group, forget about shurikens. Even the devs themselves make fun of them.
    Also concentrate on ONE class. Sorry but this build looks like pure ****. Either go for a Ranger18/Monk1/Fighter 1 or better just stay a pure Monk OR Fighter and learn to play as that.

    Also don´t take the fricken Swamp/Desert .. Lores. The Ranger has a nice 20 sec boost enhancement for this.

    I know, it hurts, huh? /wince
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaamis View Post
    I even took the monk feat that increases throwing speed for 30 seconds, or whatever. I saw maybe a 20% increase in speed which equated to this:
    Throw..........Throw..........Throw..........Throw ..........Throw
    Throw........Throw........Throw........Throw...... ..Throw

    even with a 30 strength i was doing like 14 points of damage, maybe 20+ on a crit, meanwhile rangers are destroying enemies even without manyshot activated.

    Shuriken is your ranged weapon, and used only if you cant get to the enemy to delived fist justice, as I like to call it
    Yes, I tried similar... And even if you stack ten thousand stars, haste and haste boost, while in wind stance... It's just saddening.... No amount of attack speed makes up for the fact that you hit like a wet noodle.... If it's possible to melee, you're going to be more effective than using a shuriken...
    Maybe I'll post a list of my characters one day, then I'll look fancy, but really... I'm just too lazy for a real signature...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninetoes View Post
    I know, it hurts, huh? /wince
    Yep.

    He didn´t even notice the prestiges. Admitedly the Ranger´s wouldn´t help much with his Ninja shuriken awesomeness, but at least the Fighter could help.
    Theoretically.

    Possibly.

    In some adjacent dimension.

    BTW what´s with the skills?

    Another point. A Drow Dex mele WITHOUT Finesse feat? Did you plan on chucking shruikens in close combat??
    You know the mobs get a +4 on their chances to hit you when you wear ranged weapons up close? Aaand YOUR chance to hit somebody else with melee weaponry is dependent on Strength.
    Please dude, read up some more on the various class boards here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreknaQudane View Post
    While halflings have a bonus to throwing in general and Attack and Damage enhancements, Drow also get enhancements for Shuriken Attack and Damage.
    For what it's worth, Halflings have 3 Tiers of thrown weapon damage (up to +3 for 6AP!!), so in theory the Halfling is better with Shuriken than the Drow. And the Halfling runt can also use that same benefit on other thrown weapons, as well.

    And then add Sneak attack damage on top of the +3 when up close.... hmmmm....

    As for the build: I'm not sure why there's so much INT in a build designed around Fighter and Monk levels.

    Fighter12/Monk7/Barb1 or Fighter18/Monk1/Barb1 could be a little more workable.

    But I think the best bet is train the racial enhancements on a Cleric18/Monk2. Do your normal cleric-ing, but use the ninja stars as an extreme backup option when you're out of SP or looking to grief your teammates.

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