Sorry Bo I didn't mean to break the news that it was you... oops
Sorry Bo I didn't mean to break the news that it was you... oops
D&D promotes gang activity? Ya, because when I meet a bunch of Crypts I obviously assume they are all D20 players.
What a stupid ruling, we all know that D&D promotes satanism, not gangs.
That really sucks.
Heck, the local RPGA folks have been known to donate game materials to the guys here in MO. I wrote to a few for a while, sending photocopies (I know, I know - but they had a limit on the number of actual books they could have) of some materials. Quite to the contrary of what that article quotes, the guys that were playing D&D were staying OUT of trouble. Most were Honor Status, which meant they had gotten into no trouble over the course of a year or two, so were given extra priveledges...
Dang, hadn't thought of those guys in years til I read that.
Guarantee ya - the only basis for that rule was some suit in charge there couldn't use the 'evil' attack, so went with 'security'.
That whole 'gang activity' charade bites monkey nuggets.
...sitting here thinking about them - remembered a fiction story printed in an old issue of Polyhedron that was written by two of the guys I wrote to. Wonder if i can find that. *wanders off muttering to self*
edit: Read the article again. I can just imagine how much attention the Appeals court gave that before rubber-stamping it. *grumble*
more editting: Anyone wanna write the warden?
i am a corrections officer and to say that DND promotes gang activity is akin to saying that lifting weights or excerising or playing old maid promotes gang activity. Hell any of the board games that the inmates have access to or basketball or handball or any other sport or game does then too. That is utterly rediculous. Gang problems in prison a very real and very dangerous threat to any prison but ffs, while i am not a hug a thug C/O, i understand the importance board games, sports, and other normal activities play in the role of an inmates day to day life. I have no problem with inmates who are demonstrating good behavior to have access to materials to play DND or old maid or basketball. FWIW i would rather the inmates at my prison spend the 24 hours a day they are locked up thinking about the next campaign session or character they want to roll up then thinking of ways to stab me or other inmates. Youd be suprised the incredible boost in morale a simple movie, deck of cards, or tennis ball can have on a group of inmates. Give the guy his dnd stuff back if he behaves i say!
Wow... D&D = gang activity? I wonder why the cops haven't been called on my local RPGA games to arrest everyone yet?
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Wow to think that a convicted murderer is being limited on what he can and cant do in jail is just plain ridiculous. This is actually funny to me. You know call me old fashioned but if I killed someone I wouldnt be upset that they wouldnt let me play D&D, I would be too busy thanking them for not sending me 6 feet down in the ground.
Wake up people what part of convicted murderer did u miss? If it were up to me they would sit in an unlit cell, never see the light of day, never have ANY social activities and eat nothing but bread and water, or the alternative that makes so many people uneasy about doing the right thing. And I would love to write the warden and say congrats on making me feel like my tax money isnt being wasted paying to make jail a fun and exciting place to be.
Hmm lets see here...D&D in the library or a convicted murderer! I don't care about the reason the judge had-its a convicted murderer!! They should have NO rights!! Let's ask the victims family if they think the judgement of no D&D was fair! Have to agree with Heffty on this one!
I think you're all taking the completely wrong angel on this.
Think of it this way, the next time I'm walking alone at night downtown and I find myself face to face with a gang of thugs now I only need remind them I have a 20th level Cleric so they better back off!
Personally, regarding this guy in particular - I'm betting there was a reason to sledge his sister's boyfriend... (read the article linked in the other thread on this)
In general - those folks won't be there forever. And very few crimes deserve a no-second-chance deal. How they're treated during incarceration (supposedly set up to rehabilitate as well as penalize) will direct how they behave once they're free again.
Too many folks like posturing the 'kill-em-all off the get go' point of view. Willing to bet those same folks have either never had family make bad choices, or even known anyone who did, and got caught. But then again, nothing I have to say will change those minds. Just hope you never have to wear that ugly shoe on the other foot.
Well, actually, I kinda do. Maybe. The very limited circumstances in this case make it seem fishy. As I said elsewhere, it's not like this guy went sledge-hammering folks at random. (which of course would be a whole different ballgame)
Someone abusing my sister/daughter/niece/etc.... yeah, *I* could be in that situation fighting for my D&D books.
CD I normally dont disagree with ya hon seriously but I have had family on that end they are the types im currently dealing with to.
Ive had people I truly love turn out to be bad people that is a hard thing to live with but I have. I know they did the crime not only should they do the time but some of them deserve an eye for an eye.
You can imagine what life is like having someone you love and trusted to be allowed around you and raise you live a totally separate life of violence, where they killed sold harmful substances and the like.
I know what its like to be related to criminals and I know they deserve to be in prison they deserve punishment. How fair is it to the victims families to hear that these prisoners are getting recreation? They maybe human but they forfeited any right to a normal life when they chose a life of crime.
I cant get into details about why that prisoner did what he did but when you allow passion to commit a act of murder your still a murderer and if anyone felt sorry for him he would not be sentenced to life in prison. Even if he was there temporarily prison is supposed to be punishment. Therefore if the state wants to take away gaming, put them in tiny rooms where all they do is manual labor then fine I dont think prison should be a place where they have joy because they are there for taking that away from people in a form of a crime. And anyone who is doing life earned that sentence whether we agree with what they did to get there or not.
No one is crying for this murderer. What some here are annoyed by is the fact that D&D is being legally classified as being worse, or more dangerous, than other games.
This is a potentially slippery slope where for example, next a school district might say that "The courts have confirmed that D&D promotes gang activity. Therefore, all D&D materials are banned from school grounds."
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However, as strongly as you feel for your stance, I do for mine in this case. I have seen the good that D&D (rpg's in general) can bring out of folks that shouldn't be given up on.
Too close to your example already, even though the school has a D&D club.
I wonder how he smuggled the dice in
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...I bought a bunch of sets and mailed them to one of the C/O's who was a gamer and on good terms with the group. He carried them in for them.
It was Arlos wasn't it? Yeah I bet it was
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