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    So Happosaai and I decided to re-roll our mains since part of our static group dissolved. We figured since we were going to be doing the duo thing a lot, that we would roll up WF. I went with the WF Paladin, and he is a WF Rogue/Wiz. We have been talking about grouping more, but my primary concern is how much love/hate there is for WF both on Khyber and here in DDO overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnjsw View Post
    So Happosaai and I decided to re-roll our mains since part of our static group dissolved. We figured since we were going to be doing the duo thing a lot, that we would roll up WF. I went with the WF Paladin, and he is a WF Rogue/Wiz. We have been talking about grouping more, but my primary concern is how much love/hate there is for WF both on Khyber and here in DDO overall.
    Last night i was running a WF Fvs 11 in Stormcleave on elite and there was a dwarf cleric 9 in the party.

    As soon as the group formed i saw the dwarf, lets call him "Mel" say "I don't care what you think, I don't heal WF"

    My reply was "That's okay, I don't heal idiots, so your safe"

    After we finished the mission, a couple of times we almost wiped, but at the end I think I got through his thick skull some and he could see how well WF can perform when played right. Unlike his dwarf which constantly ran out of SP, i was able to keep the party moving forward

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    Love WF period, even when i play my cleric. Most wf are powerhouses and a group of them can usally do quest above there lvl. Anyone that has hate "blah blah blah, my cleric is a gimp and cant heal". I just laugh, pull the 100 stack of pots to the hot bar and forget about any agro near them, there minds often change when all they do is heal themselfs and wonder why your non-healable WF hp bar is always full.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karnokvolrath View Post
    Love WF period, even when i play my cleric. Most wf are powerhouses and a group of them can usally do quest above there lvl. Anyone that has hate "blah blah blah, my cleric is a gimp and cant heal". I just laugh, pull the 100 stack of pots to the hot bar and forget about any agro near them, there minds often change when all they do is heal themselfs and wonder why your non-healable WF hp bar is always full.

    Well if I am going to be grouping, then wands are going to be my "stack-o-pots"...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnjsw View Post
    Well if I am going to be grouping, then wands are going to be my "stack-o-pots"...lol
    When available, only one of my WF has the umd to use them, the other is a sorc (so self healing), one barb (pots), and the other is a ranger and i find the good repair pots seem to work better then the self healing wands that rangers get by defalt, saving the ranger sp for tight spots i cant stop to drink and or buffs. That being said i will often hand a caster a repair wand and just ask him, to keep an eye but dont make it your priority.
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    My experience is that WF are generally accepted. Sure you are going to have a few sour apples in the bunch that refuse to heal/repair WF but for the most part if you are aware of your own healing penalty and support with pots, most clerics wont have a problem. Particularly at lower levels (below 10), if the WF melee in group does not help out with his/her own repair pots and some healers friend enhancements/items, the cleric will not be able to keep up all party members all of the time. This can be frustrating for those healer types that really take pride in keeping their party alive throughout the entire quest.
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    The good news is I always have at least 1 repair spell slotted at all times, so I can keep healing us both if we get a healer who hates the forged ones ;-)
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    On Cannith on my newest paladin. I hit up a tor lfm and a party mbr started swinging at me and said Die F****** WF right after i met up with the group.. All i did up to that point was say hello... Then i dropped group... I have honstly never had someone do that before..
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    Ok, I really don't get the hate. A CLERIC who says "I WONT heal WF?"

    Whaaaa? For real?

    I exclusively play clerics and will heal anyone who is not being stupid about their play- flesh or construct. To flat out refuse to heal someone is just.......ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phalaeo View Post
    Ok, I really don't get the hate. A CLERIC who says "I WONT heal WF?"

    Whaaaa? For real?

    I exclusively play clerics and will heal anyone who is not being stupid about their play- flesh or construct. To flat out refuse to heal someone is just.......ridiculous.
    The reason behind is simple.
    Let's say we have a gimpy cleric fresh from Korthos with no Wisdom/Potency/Wizardry items who constantly runs out of mana and does not have a haggle-bot and a number of higher level toons to cover his needs for consumables. Now he sees someone who seems to demand more healing than the others.
    Blasphemy! It feels as if someone is having fun at his expense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krag View Post
    The reason behind is simple.
    Let's say we have a gimpy cleric fresh from Korthos with no Wisdom/Potency/Wizardry items who constantly runs out of mana and does not have a haggle-bot and a number of higher level toons to cover his needs for consumables. Now he sees someone who seems to demand more healing than the others.
    Blasphemy! It feels as if someone is having fun at his expense!
    Some just might be...it almost sounds like a fun kind of hazing...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krag View Post
    The reason behind is simple.
    Let's say we have a gimpy cleric fresh from Korthos with no Wisdom/Potency/Wizardry items who constantly runs out of mana and does not have a haggle-bot and a number of higher level toons to cover his needs for consumables. Now he sees someone who seems to demand more healing than the others.
    Blasphemy! It feels as if someone is having fun at his expense!
    It is really more than that I think. I have a FVS with offensive and healing specced lines. I enjoy destruction, cometfall, BB, etc while spamming heals as needed. I hate babysitting a party, but when joining a pug, I play the role the party needs, which usually means I need to invest all spell points into party healing. I always will heal WF healer's friend or not. However, I do not like the WF barbarian who spent all of his points on toughness and none on healer's friend who thinks its my job to follow him everywhere just spamming him heals. It is not so much draining my mana, its the time it takes to hit him with two or three heal spells to fill him up. That time slows me down from healing other party members. If you do not play healer, sometimes in a big fight, your fingers are flying making sure the party stays alive. Sometimes its so bad you have to make a choice, keep the rest of the party alive or keep the WF barbarian alive. If you run with me and you are dead while fighting Harry, there is a reason I am not tossing you a rez. I made the choice that keeping you up was too time and mana restrictive and I wanted to finish the shroud. Not taking any healing enhancements as a WF tank is very selfish play in my opinion.

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    Personally, I play clerics and WF (separately, not quite ready for the mix yet). My cleric heals a WF if doing so doesn't result in a party wipe and my WF has HFII but may drop it to I later and I plan to spec out some healing amp items (such as Levik's bracers).
    All WF should be mindful of their total affect on the party as should all party members. Keep pots to help out, use whatever healing amp you can and don't zerg if you don't know what you are doing. Even a badly played WF can be salvageable with decent CC such as command, soundblast, cometfall, etc.
    Also you can waste as many spell points healing a fleshy fighter, barb, or ranger with no damage mitigation.
    There is also the basics of killing, if your party memebers are going for the wrong mobs first, find another group.

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    WF are awesome, they are just HUGE....have you seen the weapons in their hands? And besides they never run out of batteries
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussieee View Post
    WF are awesome, they are just HUGE....have you seen the weapons in their hands? And besides they never run out of batteries
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    I dunno I never really see anyone hating warforged. As a cleric I will always heal a WF, if necessary. If they don't have any healing on them or even if things are just happening so fast and they are losing HP quickly I'll heal 'em. However it is *really* considerate if WF keep repair pots on them so as to not drain all of their cleric's SP and to use to get back up to full HP in between fighting. Usually when there is a WF in the group they will say they can heal themselves, but occasionally not. I've been in groups with WF who can't repair themselves at all and it has ended up being a major drain on my SP, to the detriment of the rest of the group and expensive for me. That's pretty rare though. You can't always depend on wizards and sorcerer's to have repair prepared unless they are also a WF, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay203 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussieee View Post
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