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    I've put together a draft guide to cash & inventory managment, aimed at new players. Anyone got some suggestions for improvements?
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    Buy, Sell , Hold – Cash & Inventory management for the new player.

    Dungeons & Dragons has always had a significant element of resource management in it – spell slots (spell points now), ammunition, reagents, etc. So money and character inventory slots fit right in that structure, and can complicate life a fair bit for a new player in DDO. This represents an attempt at helping with that - focused on newer players level 8 & under.

    Comments & corrections are warmly invited, but do remember this is intended to be a fairly easy to use new player guide, not the be-all end-all finesse guide to in-game economics. All prices are in GOLD or Turbine Points (TP)

    Buy – Expenses
    The simple rule: Don’t buy anything you don’t really need to.

    Lower level players have to shell out cash for:
    Repairs - spendy, so don’t die!
    Reagents (only if you’re a spellcaster) – pretty darn cheap
    That’s it!

    The rest is discretionary, but some things I’d strongly advise buying:
    A stock of level appropriate food & drink – gets you back up faster when you do die.
    *Necessary* buff & heal wands (cheaper) & potions (more expensive) – use restraint
    Persistent House Phiarlan / Jorasco favour buffs (once you have access) for really tough fights
    You may need to buy a Ghost touch weapon around level 6 or 7 if you haven’t done the Catacombs and want to be able to fight incorporeal undead.

    Other than those, my advice is *Save Your Money*. New player gear will mostly be replaced soon, so shelling out heaps o’gold for that nifty kopesh at level 6 is a dodgy proposition at best.

    Obviously, twinks can spend as freely as they’d like, and it is, ultimately, your gold – spend it as you please. I’ve just run into about a zillion MMORPG players who are constantly broke (and usually unhappy about that) because they always immediately spend any cash they have on item upgrades – IMAO that way lies madness.

    For shop locations, see list at the bottom of the post

    Sell - Income
    The simple rule: Sell anything you don’t *absolutely* need. It frees space and gets you cash.

    Other than cash rewards from quests & picked up from breakables, you’ll have four sources of revenue available to you, once you leave Korthos island:

    Vendors .
    Depending on Charisma & haggle skill, new players will see ~11-15% of item base value from vendors (ouch!). Vendoring goods is the only option available on Korthos.

    Once you’re over 75 favor with noble houses, their vendors will give you slightly (2%) better prices. Also, when selling stuff to vendors (or brokers, see below) you should:
    Put on your best + haggle item
    Have eagle’s splendour buff(or +4 Cha item on), there are clickable items for that
    Use any + skill feats or enhancements you have
    High level haggle bards can get amazingly good prices from vendors. You don’t want to know how good. (Grr……not that I’m jealous or anything)

    Brokers
    For armour & weapons with a base value above 3,000 gold , and all clothing/jewelry you have a second NPC option. Brokers will give you 5% (so up to ~20% of base) more than vendors, but you have to know where they are, and they all specialise in armor / weapons / jewelry / clothing in a specific price range (except the broker in the Ataraxia spa):
    High end armour (above 8,000 gold) – Second Gauntlet in House Kundarak
    High end weapons (above 15,000 gold) – Fare Trade in House Deneith
    All other brokers are in the marketplace.

    Brokers are also a worthwhile place to look for items for yourself if you absolutely NEED an upgrade (or auction for top quality items, if arbitrage is your thing)

    A not a bout selling by mistake: If you sell something by mistake, you can buy it back for 24 hours. You can also buy back items you destroy, though in both cases, the markup can be painful.

    The Auction House:
    100% F2P players are very restricted here, as they can only have 1 auction up a time. AH is a lot easier if you’re Premium or VIP. The good news is that highly desired items can fetch gigantic prices in the AH, millions of gold. The bad news is that, as a new player, you probably won’t have any of those to sell. However, you likely will get some items that might sell – more on that later.

    The auction house has a minimum bid floor of 100g, and charges a listing fee up front, calculated on the item base value - not bid price - of about :
    0.5% 8hrs
    1% 24 hrs
    1.5% 48 hrs
    2% 72 hrs
    The AH will also take a nasty 30% bite out of the price of anything you sell. (ouch, again) Money and unsold items will show up in your mail – look for the unicorn in your target orb.

    Obviously, you’ll only want to auction stuff you don’t need/ want or can’t use, and you cannot auction anything bound to character or account. So, what low level gear sells?
    So far, I’d say:
    +1 or better stat items (STR, WIS, CON, INT, etc.), especially if they have a useful kicker or secondary effect
    +3 or better skill items (haggle, diplomacy, intimidation, UMD, disable traps, etc.)
    Most clickable items of the x charges/rest variety, if the effect is useful
    Eberron dragonshards, and certain collectibles - Vials of Pure Water , Prophecies of Khyber, Silver Flame Hymnals, Luminescent Dusts, Fragrant Drowshood mushrooms, Sparkling Dusts, Deadly Feverblanch mushrooms, Lightning-Split Soarwoods (the last being worth insane amounts of gold)
    Rarer weapons, shields & armours - those with useful effects, so:
    a +1 kopesh may sell, a +1 dagger, forget it,
    +1 adamantine plate is more likely to sell than plain +2
    weapons with effects will sell better, especially useful/ popular effects such as ghost touch, bane weapons, etc.
    Racial or alignment restrictions make items harder to sell
    Low level wands, potions & scrolls do not seem to sell well.
    Generally, the weekend is the best time to sell things.

    How much should I ask?
    If your minimum bid is less than about 30% of base price, you’re likely losing money over vendoring / brokering the item – I think 40-50% of base is more reasonable, given the hassle and cost of listing items. Feel free to ask for more if you think you can get it.

    What to ask for buyout is a bit harder. Unless you’ve gotten some awesome luck in your drops, the odds are your auctioned items also show up on brokers, so base +20% is pretty much the best you’ll ever see from non-clueless buyers, maybe +50% if the item is quite good. Hoping for suckers is both immoral and likely ineffective, so I advise against it. Obviously, if you get some kind of super-duper awesome item, the sky’s the limit - grats you!

    Cancelling auctions:
    For the first hour, you can cancel an auction, or at any point if no bids have been received. The item will show up in your mail, and the listing fee will NOT be refunded.

    Selling Stuff in person.
    Not my cup of tea, so I can’t provide any useful advice.

    Hold – managing your inventory
    The simple rule: If you don’t *really* need it, sell it and free up space, or you’ll always be sorting junk. With a few exceptions, if you haven’t used it in the last twenty-thirty hours of play, you don’t need it.

    Character Inventory:
    You start with 3 x 20 slot tabs in your inventory. You can expand that to:
    A fourth tab (Free) with 75 Coin Lords favour
    A fifth tabs (100k + collapsed portable hole + 20 k repair costs) with 150 coin lord favour.
    Collapsed portable holes apparently show up as quest loot, or you can buy one on the AH or you’ll get one for 75 Favour with Agents of Argonessen (requires level 10 & Gianthold)

    Containers
    You can also get bags/containers for specific item types – collectibles, spell reagents, gems, and arrows/bolts. You will receive a free small collectibles bag & small gem bag (12 stacks each), bound to character, on completing Misery’s peak and arriving in Stormreach.

    You can buy two types of quivers (as many as you want)
    Nide 6 stacks x 200 arrows/bolts
    Narrow 3 stacks x 400 arrows/bolts
    For about 60 gold each from Chain & Hammer in the Harbor

    You can also buy unlimited medium bags for base 90,000 gold at Empty handed in House Jorasco or the Erstwhile Emporium in House Phiarlan. Each holds 30 stacks of Collectibles or 30 stacks of spell reagents or 12 stacks of gems, respectively.

    Finally, you can buy all kinds & sizes of bags from the DDO store (all bound to character) for 95-595 TP each.

    Bank Inventory
    Once you arrive in Stormreach, you can access your bank, which is character specific and holds 1x20 slot tab- it’s accessible from any banker NPC.

    House Kundarak favour allows additional 20 slot bank tabs:
    A second tab (20k gold) at 75 favour
    A third tab (80k gold) at 150 favour
    Bags can be placed in your bank tabs, if you desire

    Shared inventory
    ONE twenty slot shared bank tab is available for purchase (free to VIPs) for f2p/premium 1495 TP - good for all characters on one account on each server to share. You cannot put bound to character items in it, but it is the ONLY way to transfer bound to account items (Nicked weapons FTW!). It’s extremely convenient. Bags can also be used here unless they’re bound to character.

    A shared bank slot also makes muling, the use of a low level alt for item storage, auction processing, etc. much easier.

    Trickery
    In a pinch, the mail and/or auction system can be used as a (fairly expensive) temporary storage for VIP/premium characters. F2P restrictions render this impractical for 100% free players.

    Your mall directory
    Important vendors to know about (junk vendors not listed)
    Harbour Apothecary – level 1 & 2 reagents, plus wands, potions
    Hammer & chain – Quivers
    Marketplace Spell reagents lvl 1-3, plus wands & potions
    All brokers except: armor > 8k base (Kundarak)
    weapons over 15k base (Deneith)
    House Deneith
    Fare trade High end weapons broker over 15k base

    House Jorasco
    Empty handed Bags (~90k each)
    Reagents
    Spell inscription kits (120g X (lvl^2))each

    House of Wizardry Divine Spell enhancement potions
    Divine reagents lvl 3-7
    Arcane reagents lvll 4-5
    Wands,
    Feath.fall apothecary Arcane reagents lvl 1-9
    Divine reagents lvl 1-9
    Potions, incl. Cure serious wounds

    House Kundarak
    Second Gauntlet High end armor brokers (over 8k base)
    Liquid Charm Arcane Reagents lvl 1-5
    Divine Reagents lvl 1-5
    Potions

    House Phiarlan
    Erstwhile Emporium Bags (~90k each)
    Reagents
    Spell inscription kits (120g X (lvl^2))each
    Object Desire Level 3 scrolls
    Arcane spell enhancement potions
    Wands

    Now, go have fun!

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    Lower level players have to shell out cash for:
    Repairs - spendy, so don’t die!
    Reagents (only if you’re a spellcaster) – pretty darn cheap
    That’s it!
    If you are a wizard, scrolls (that you don't find) and inscription materials. (not cheap at all) Yes, there are spells you can skip, but with only two "free" spells per level past first, without getting some extra ones in you spell book you might as well just play a sorc. Also, who really doesn't pick the spells you can't buy on level up if you play a wiz?

    I went from around 10k plat at level 10 and bought the level 6 spells, broke afterwards. I had like 260 plat after that if that much. Being a wiz can be very expensive, especially if you want to be versatile.

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    Awesome post, +1 rep. Inventory management is one of the most irritating things that I find myself doing constantly. Having this information laid out like this is great.

    My only request/suggestion: Could you format your 'mall directory' at the end so that it is more readable?

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    I mildly disagree with the save your money/use potions sparingly advice.

    The total pp you can save up between levels 1-5 can be earned in a single good quest at level 6+

    Spending the little bit you earn early on buying potions/wands can make your dungeon runs much smoother and efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7-day_Trial_Monkey View Post
    I mildly disagree with the save your money/use potions sparingly advice.

    The total pp you can save up between levels 1-5 can be earned in a single good quest at level 6+

    Spending the little bit you earn early on buying potions/wands can make your dungeon runs much smoother and efficient.
    I agree. Don't be cheap on the consumables. Broke and prepared is a good place to be at the low levels.

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    Thanks for putting that all together. There really is a lot of useful information in there, this is a good draft. Did it mention that finishing the Lost Seekers quest in the Harbor gets you the minor Harbormaster Zin discount when buying from shops there?


    I wanted to suggest some additional info for this section (plus you should spot your typo):

    Containers
    You can also get bags/containers for specific item types – collectibles, spell reagents, gems, and arrows/bolts. You will receive a free small collectibles bag & small gem bag (12 stacks each), bound to character, on completing Misery’s peak and arriving in Stormreach.

    You can buy two types of quivers (as many as you want)
    Nide 6 stacks x 200 arrows/bolts
    Narrow 3 stacks x 400 arrows/bolts
    For about 60 gold each from Chain & Hammer in the Harbor

    You can also buy unlimited medium bags for base 90,000 gold at Empty handed in House Jorasco or the Erstwhile Emporium in House Phiarlan. Each holds 30 stacks of Collectibles or 30 stacks of spell reagents or 12 stacks of gems, respectively.

    Finally, you can buy all kinds & sizes of bags from the DDO store (all bound to character) for 95-595 TP each.
    You can get a free small crafting ingredients bag (which holds kyber and siberys shard fragments, among other things *but not spell reagents, fix that*) from The Twelve Enclave. Nice for saving space if you have a bunch of scarabs from Necropolis or similar crafting loot. Enter the zone from the Marketplace, go inside the tower and take a right, through the door and talk to the first NPC.

    Speaking of dragonshards, it might also be good to add a note about combining siberys shards.
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    Couple of things.

    Use Ron's Character Planner so that you don't mess up taking a feat that you don't need that way you can post the Siberys dragonshard on the AH.

    The stuff people trying to sell on the trade channel can usually be easily obtainable through questing. You will kick yourself after you loot several of the items that you just bought from the person on the trade channel.

    Mostly, the only things I would say you *really* need to buy are consumables such as resists and heals. Everything can be looted if you are patient. I have not bought anything from a broker or the AH. Just recently looted a ring of feather fall(ml lvl 11) and am still using the cloak from Korthos untill my next level up.

    One other thing that was suggested to me...Before putting something on the AH, go to the broker and see how much they will give you for it and post above that...not some crazy price unless it is a highly sought after item. It will sell if you post someting reasonable. If you post reasonable then the price should be less than what the broker is going to ask for.

    There are a lot of siberys dragonshards on the Thelanis AH and I'm undercutting everyone so don't bother posting something crazy on those because you most likely won't sell them. They will buy mine first. I use the character planner and mostly know what I'm going to pick so I'm not planning to use them and am just trying to sell them to clear inventory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PurdueDave View Post
    I agree. Don't be cheap on the consumables. Broke and prepared is a good place to be at the low levels.
    I recommend using the longer-lasting buff potions - they work out cheaper than the alternative (healing potions).

    A single Shield of Faith potion may save you 30 damage; even a Heroism potion may save you damage by helping you kill foes faster or reducign the chance you suffer a Hold Person.
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    Default Hmm...

    Thank you alll for your great comments - keep them coming. So far, in no particular order:
    • I'll definitely add inscription materials/scrolls for wizards - very good point - being a divine myself, non-issue
    • Yes, my mall listing is weak I'm going to expand a bit to include some more info and format it better.
    • I hadn't known about the small crafting bag - thanks! I'll add that.
    • I'll mention utility of dragonshards vs. other grems, but probably not go into details much in order to keep thi from being the guide that ate the world.
    • The point about consumables hadn't really occured to me - I'm a cleric, so reasonable buffs are always there - certainly it seems like cash supply expands significantly around about level 5-6 and (from what I've heard) around 12 or so (Gianthold, yeah?)
    • I don't want to go too far into auction mechanics, as that's (really) a separate issue - a starting bid of 40% + is always better than brokers unless you have a pretty good hagglebot - people with such are not the target of the guide, and I'll make that more explicit.
    • I may add a larger collectibles bag to the purchases - I broke down and got one, and my life is much easier.
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    You can also buy unlimited medium bags for base 90,000 gold at Empty handed in House Jorasco or the Erstwhile Emporium in House Phiarlan. Each holds 30 stacks of Collectibles or 30 stacks of spell reagents or 12 stacks of gems, respectively.
    Aren't they exclusive? Or was it "ulimited" as in "1 per character as many char slots as you have"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurdueDave View Post
    I agree. Don't be cheap on the consumables. Broke and prepared is a good place to be at the low levels.
    all you peoples that agree with this have serious issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xephyrath View Post
    all you peoples that agree with this have serious issues.
    Those who disagree will have more

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    Quote Originally Posted by CE2JRH123 View Post
    Aren't they exclusive? Or was it "ulimited" as in "1 per character as many char slots as you have"?
    When I tried to buy a second Medium bag from a vendor it would not let me, those seem to be Exclusive. Not sure about the DDO store version though.

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    Are the in-game bags exclusive? Damn fine question - I've never bought one. I'll go check.

    I have really mixed feelings about consumables at lower levels. I just bought 80k of supplies for the next time we do Invaders (bad first run, mostly my fault ) BUT I have a lot of difficulty with the idea that we should expect people to be buffed to the gills or that clerics should carry (and be prepared to burn) three cure wands for, say, the Waterworks series. That ongoing debate is, however, really outside the primary scope of my review - and I intend to sidestep it as much as possible. I'll specifiy essential wands, potions & scrolls and let people decide what that means for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralgnax View Post
    I have a lot of difficulty with the idea that we should expect people to be buffed to the gills or that clerics should carry (and be prepared to burn) three cure wands for, say, the Waterworks series.
    Better not expect it because it's very unlikely to happen. That's also why I tend to over-prepare myself, so I don't need to expect anything from others

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    I've noticed that it is often cheaper to buy a cleric hireling, than it is to buy several healing pots. Leave him or her at the front door and bring them to you as needed.

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    If your inventory is full, and you just opened a chest which has an item that can be sold to the brokers, consider destroying a few low-cost items, like scrolls or potions. You can buy back them at base cost price at a vendor. I learnt this the hard way when I destroyed two items above 49K gp and tried to buy them back.

    Another tip related to the buy back feature - if in-between quest chains you have time to visit a vendor but not a broker, sell your items that can be sold at a brokers. E.g. selling a weapon to a potion vendor. You can buy back the weapon from any vendor and sell it to the broker for slightly more. Note that once you sell an item to a broker you cannot get it back. However, you are able to buy back items from a broker provided you did not sell the item to a broker in the first place.
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    I have a better guide to inventory management and it's much shorter to read.....

    DON'T TWINK!

    that is all

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertVesco View Post
    I've noticed that it is often cheaper to buy a cleric hireling, than it is to buy several healing pots. Leave him or her at the front door and bring them to you as needed.
    Actually, I've just started learning hirelings. Excellent point that, I'll add it in - it's especuially true for low levels - a level 3 cleric hireling is only 200 gold. Cheap!
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