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    Default Silver Flame potions

    For some reason, I always thought there was just one silver flame potion that healed for 100 points, similar in power to a heal scroll...

    I recently discovered that you can buy a more powerful version that heals for 250 points...

    No one thinks this is overpowered at all? With basic healing amp items/enhancements, this gets pretty close to 400 hps healed in one potion...

    Why do so many builds stress UMD and no-fail heal scrolls, when you can get 400 hps back in one shot?

    Sure, you have to deal with -10 to all stats, but that's no big deal anymore... It's easier than ever to get all your stats above 11, with +2 tomes sold in the store, with multiple item slots to fit in a +6 stat, and 34 and 36 point builds...

    It takes some real work to get a build to the point to use heal scrolls, and you have the chance of being interrupted (and you have swap out a weapon to use the scroll). These potions seem extremely powerful and require only some favor grinding...

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    Yeah, but it's miserably unhappy favor grinding. I have been playing for three years and have yet to have a single toon get this favor. It's not too unbalancing.
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    Yeah I don't have any characters with that much Silver Flame favor, but I might have to grind it out on my new barbarian now...

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    -10 to stats?


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    That -10 to stats sounds debilitating, though. :\
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    Without Elite openers for Bloody and Shadow Crypts it's a real pain. You also need to run the orchard quests enough to get your complete sigil to be able to get to 400.

    I don't think they're too powerful after all that and the -10!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letrii View Post
    -10 to stats?
    -10 to stats for 30 seconds, and a 50% movement debuff...

    But it's a potion, 2.5 better than a heal scroll, and requires zero build sacrifices to use.

    My non-WF wizard is going to have to grind out this favor too... So INT goes down by 10 temporarily... Firewalls still burn just as hot...

    That seems to be a crazy good item for certain classes... I'm just really surprised I don't see it mentioned in the powergamer builds at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kintro View Post
    Without Elite openers for Bloody, Shadow and Cursed Crypts it's a real pain. You also need to run the orchard quests enough to get all your complete sigil to be able to get the 400.

    I don't think they're too powerful after all that and the -10!
    So the favor grind is the real deterrant, eh? Still, that's temporaray... Once it's done, it's done - well, unless you TR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    So the favor grind is the real deterrant, eh? Still, that's temporaray... Once it's done, it's done - well, unless you TR
    The real challenge is convincing other people to run Elite Tomb of the Tormented with you!
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    I am going to grind it out on my barb and my fighter. Plus, one is WF so I need to be there for the DoD as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    It takes some real work to get a build to the point to use heal scrolls, and you have the chance of being interrupted (and you have swap out a weapon to use the scroll). These potions seem extremely powerful and require only some favor grinding...
    This is where your wrong. "only some favor grinding" is very far off

    Getting a char that can heal scroll is a joke compared to one that can manage to make use of these potions.

    The favor required is very extreme. You need basicly every single silver flame quest on elite. Then you also need one that can manage the penalties. It's by far the hardest favor reward to attain in the game.

    -10 to stats is more then you think.. It's:
    -100 hitpoints for everyone - instantly, a low hp char trying to make sure of them will more likely get himself killed
    -5 Ac
    -5 to all saves
    -5 or more to damage
    -5 to hit
    -5 to allot of skills
    -50% movement speed
    -disables casting for many builds like paladins, fvs or anyone which just barely enough of there casting stat

    Beyond that, they have a high cost, and only stack to 10.
    They are balanced well enough. Try them out at least before you make judgements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kintro View Post
    The real challenge is convincing other people to run Elite Tomb of the Tormented with you!
    I actually like that one. On the Hard and Elite difficulties, the rat maze is easier because you can tame the carrion eaters and have them do the pressure plates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shade View Post
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    Beyond that, they have a high cost, and only stack to 10.
    They are balanced well enough. Try them out at least before you make judgements.
    Still one of the best healing pots in the game if you can manage the downsides.
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    Too powerful really ??? Considering you can buy a self rez cookie in the ddo store in a quest , when your already dead , lol i dont think anything is too powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudcnd View Post
    Too powerful really ??? Considering you can buy a self rez cookie in the ddo store in a quest , when your already dead , lol i dont think anything is too powerful.
    Heh, point taken.

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    Im inclined to disagree. The favor grind is severe. Much harder then getting any of the other high level favor rewards, mainly due to difficulty in finding a group to do em. Sure you can start your own groups, but these are some of the least run quests in the game.

    -10 to stats is huge, especially to min/max builds which leave at least one stat dumped, possibly 2. Healing up just to be helpless again is lame.

    They are not cheap either. Nor do they stack to 100, I think the limit is 10.


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    It's significantly more difficult to attain than 1750 favor, which has a significantly bigger effect, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kintro View Post
    The real challenge is convincing other people to run Elite Tomb of the Tormented with you!
    Booze works lol thats how I was convinced to go three times now though now that I have two with the SF favor (that I dont use since ones a wizzy that would completely be wrecked by -10 to her stats and the other can heal herself yeah) I think those who use them properly can benefit from the pots and dont see them as over powered because not many people can boast to having 400 sf favor. A lot of players hate those quests with good reason. I lucked out I guess I can say and ran them with laid back players and played drinking games threw them it really helps those quests even the swimming one on elite go by better
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    I see everyone commenting on the -10 stats and the "grinding" of favor.

    Isn't running a shroud 10-20 times a week grinding? When you are leveling up a character, if you do th Silverflame favored quests at or around your current level, there is a TON of xp to be given. No Bloodycrypt, Shadowcrypt or Cursecrpt series takes very much time.

    As for the -10 stats. If Healing Amp can make the 250 pots heal for close or over 400, that is awesome. You all look at the -10 stats like it stays with you. Just a reminder, it is temporary. Using 1 potion in between fights is far better then a stack of cure serious potions. Even In battle, it is ok if you need to chug 1 if it will save your arse.

    I think the few minor negatives to using these potions are more then fine. They are great for almost any class, and I suggest everyone uses them. Like Tony T. "There Greeeeaaatt!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunker View Post
    I see everyone commenting on the -10 stats and the "grinding" of favor.

    Isn't running a shroud 10-20 times a week grinding? When you are leveling up a character, if you do th Silverflame favored quests at or around your current level, there is a TON of xp to be given. No Bloodycrypt, Shadowcrypt or Cursecrpt series takes very much time.

    As for the -10 stats. If Healing Amp can make the 250 pots heal for close or over 400, that is awesome. You all look at the -10 stats like it stays with you. Just a reminder, it is temporary. Using 1 potion in between fights is far better then a stack of cure serious potions. Even In battle, it is ok if you need to chug 1 if it will save your arse.

    I think the few minor negatives to using these potions are more then fine. They are great for almost any class, and I suggest everyone uses them. Like Tony T. "There Greeeeaaatt!"
    Or they you know can make characters that can heal in other ways. I wasnt knocking the pots I just know they dont benefit the builds I have and would be more of a hinderance then a help..

    Also the whole grinding the shroud thing comes up everytime people talk about grinding.. Why is it that people have to assume one type fun is better then the other? To some running raids are a lot more fun then it is to guide a rat threw a maze 3+ times while other people stand around beating zombies for meat. Or jumping over bilge water that can disease you if you dont know what your doing your first time in. The necropolis quests can be fun at times but I can understand why some people do not enjoy them and it can be a grind to get a group together that lasts long enough to unlock the favor specially concerning the lower necropolis. I personally love the orchard quests especially flagging for litany but even that isnt for everyone and I have one guildy you have to drag kicking and screaming into the cursed crypts though its a great quest to get your sf trinket upgraded and you can get the docent of defiance, scourge choker and other nice goodies.

    Its just perspective to some shroud= guaranteed good times while unless you have a static group the necro series can be a very long drawn out mess. Ive pugged them before and trust me when your in the shadow crypt for over an hour because people cant figure out how to find that one one with the tapestry that leads you to the end fight it can get annoying.
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