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    Wink Carnifex:Best THF weapon until...

    Hi, a few months ago I read a post Carnifex vs Maelstrom and it gave me the idea to create a THF barbarian. I saw that it was now binded to account and it crits on 17-20. Before creating my toon I ran 6x 20min delera's run with my capped Sorceress to finaly loot the Axe.

    My Barb start his career at level 4 with that awsome Axe. Everytime I tried another weapon I was returning with my Carnifex. Now at level 12 I sent to me my GreenSteel Falchion thinking that's the end for my Carnifex. (4-12 not bad for a free weapon) I did some maths then:

    GS Falchion
    2d6 +5 +30(damage) = average damage 41

    Carnifex
    1d12 +2 +30(damage) = average damage 38

    +2 Holy GA of PG
    1d12 +2 +30(damage) = average damage 38 (47 When I add half of alignment damage)

    My real damage bonus is not 30 it's 36 but anyway let's continue. I calculated 20 hit including crits and FB +1 crit multiplier on a 19-20 and a bloodstone.

    GS blank Falchion
    1220 damage / 61 average per hit

    Carnifex
    1212 damage / 60.6 average per hit

    +2 Holy GA of PG
    1204 damage / 60.2 average per hit


    Conclusion:
    That level 4 weapon do only 0.4 less damage than a costly GS blank weapon. It's awsome. I'm really impress by thoses results. I won't probably be allowed in a Shroud group until L16 to craft on the blank Falchion. By the look of it, that weapon will be my main weapon for 12 levels, thats really sick. Thanks for reading my joy.
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    How does a Sword of Shadows (assuming ic:slash) compare then?
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    You aren't adding in the holy and pure good damage to your calculations?

    The carniflex is just a +2 keen great axe isn't it? Once you get improved critical slashing you might as well be using a plain vanilla +5 great axe.

    •Keen (Equipped)
    Doubles the threat range of a weapon. This does not stack with any other threat range enhancing effects.

    With Keen not doing anything at all once you have improved critical slashing, I can't see the following calculations being accurate at all, unless you do not have IC: Slashing.

    Carniflex
    1212 damage / 60.6 average per hit

    +2 Holy GA of PG
    1204 damage / 60.2 average per hit
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    Carnifex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpasell View Post
    Carnifex.
    What he said.

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    Use this to add even more flex....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpasell View Post
    Carnifex.
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    What he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedwin View Post
    That guy even misspelled it in his photoshop job! lol!

    Go here:

    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=121279


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkat View Post
    That guy even misspelled it in his photoshop job! lol!
    It's not photoshop'd, they changed the name. It used to be "Carniflex" back in the day. Much like the Specular Optics from Threnal.

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    Great Axe with improved critical slash is only 19. Carnifex is 17 always.

    And yes the elementals damages of pure good and holy are in the calculation (I did 9 per hit)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedwin View Post
    The carniflex is just a +2 keen great axe isn't it? Once you get improved critical slashing you might as well be using a plain vanilla +5 great axe.

    •Keen (Equipped)
    Doubles the threat range of a weapon. This does not stack with any other threat range enhancing effects.

    With Keen not doing anything at all once you have improved critical slashing, I can't see the following calculations being accurate at all, unless you do not have IC: Slashing.
    Look at the Crit range on the Carnifex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedwin View Post
    The big thing about Carnifex, as you've shown in your pic, is not just that it is Keen, but that's its base Crit range is 19-20/x3 (Normal Greataxes crit on 20/x3). Combined with the Keen it makes this a 17-20/x3 weapon. The combination of abilities, added to the fact that you can start using this four levels before you could get Improved Crit: Slashing, make this a potent weapon indeed (against monsters which you can critically hit that is).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallyn View Post
    The big thing about Carnifex, as you've shown in your pic, is not just that it is Keen, but that's its base Crit range is 19-20/x3 (Normal Greataxes crit on 20/x3). Combined with the Keen it makes this a 17-20/x3 weapon. The combination of abilities, added to the fact that you can start using this four levels before you could get Improved Crit: Slashing, make this a potent weapon indeed.
    D'oh, just noticed. Wow, I've been playing this game forever and I never realised it had a 17-20, lol. On a side note, did anyone else notice the "Reserved for" name on that screen shot? haha.
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    Sword of Shadow w/ IC:slash
    2d6 + 5 + 30 = 42 avg dmg (not 41 as you stated for GS Falchion)

    With Crits assuming IC:slash, bloodstone and FB II:

    1506 or 75.3 per hit

    I'm not entirely sure we are calculating things the same, your avg numbers for dice are coming out .5 short per die, I haven't checked the rest.
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    Yep 2d6 for me = 6, in fact it's 7
    and 2d6 it's not like 1d12

    I know but errors are the same for all weapons so Carnifex still rock
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milamber69 View Post
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    And remember the bloodstone is +12 even if the crit become X3 I think
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxou69 View Post
    And remember the bloodstone is +12 even if the crit become X3 I think
    No that's not right. It adds +6 to your damage "before" multipliers are applied, according to the description. x3 would make it +18 damage. Unless the description for Seeker is just completely wrong.

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    Default Sword of Shadows better then non-upgraded GS falchion and Carnifex

    Sword of Shadows would be better at level 10 and better then a green steel falchion.

    It's 2D6+5, crit range 15-20 x 3 with imp crit slashing.

    Same base damage as a green steel falchion, same crit range but x3 crit instead of x2, given Maxou has already done the math to prove the GS Falchion is slightly ahead of the carnifex, then it doesn't take a genius to figure out where the SoS stands compared to it

    Maxou, btw i'd like to point out that GS falchion's 2d6 damage is 7 average damage per roll, not 6 - for an average of 42 not 41. 1D12 is average damage of 6.5 per hit, not 6 for a base of 38.5 not 38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedwin View Post
    No that's not right. It adds +6 to your damage "before" multipliers are applied, according to the description. x3 would make it +18 damage. Unless the description for Seeker is just completely wrong.
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