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    Default Retroactive Tome Changes, pt 2

    Originally posted here in the "Retroactive Tome Change" thread.

    We've done some more investigation, and here's what we're going to do:

    Currently on the servers, inherent bonus suppression is applying to all characters. If you ate a no-minimum-level tome two years ago or today and are under the current minimum levels for the bonuses, the inherent bonuses that the tome applied being clamped. (+1 for levels 3-6, +2 for levels 7-10, +3 for levels 11-14, +4 for levels 15-18, and technically +5 for levels 19-20.)

    We're going to go implement what was our original plan.

    If you ate a no-ML tome (or eat one over the next few days), on patch day the entire bonus will express itself fully, regardless of your character's level. On patch day, any leftover old tomes will be replaced with new tomes (that possess standard minimum levels).

    You have a little bit of time to voraciously consume any no-ML tomes you might possess before they're replaced. They'll temporarily be suppressed, but they'll express their full bonuses on patch day. (If you ate a no-ML Intelligence tome, you may want to hold off on leveling until after patch day to get the full bonus.)

    When you lesser or greater reincarnate a character, all tomes will be applied using the rules that new tomes follow. (+1 at level 3, +2 at level 7, +3 at level 11, +4 at level 14, +5 at level 19.)

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    Fair enough. I appreciate that clearly some discussion was put into how to change the game for the better without really screwing over people who had planned on different circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    Originally posted here in the "Retroactive Tome Change" thread.

    If you ate a no-ML tome (or eat one over the next few days), on patch day the entire bonus will express itself fully, regardless of your character's level. On patch day, any leftover old tomes will be replaced with new tomes (that possess standard minimum levels).

    You have a little bit of time to voraciously consume any no-ML tomes you might possess before they're replaced. They'll temporarily be suppressed, but they'll express their full bonuses on patch day. (If you ate a no-ML Intelligence tome, you may want to hold off on leveling until after patch day to get the full bonus.)

    When you lesser or greater reincarnate a character, all tomes will be applied using the rules that new tomes follow. (+1 at level 3, +2 at level 7, +3 at level 11, +4 at level 14, +5 at level 19.)
    Bravo! Seems clear to me... eat your no ML tomes NOW. You will get the +2 to show up after the patch (no need to level to 7 for it to happen, you get the Xtra skill points). If you do not eat a ML7 will ...poof.. appear on your tome in the bank.
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    Thanks for posting Eladrin!

    helpful as always.
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    its time for the going out of business sale for no ml tomes

    let the blowout begin
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArkoHighStar View Post
    its time for the going out of business sale for no ml tomes

    let the blowout begin
    Yeah, this is going to be interesting.

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    wait did he just list +5 tomes
    (+1 at level 3, +2 at level 7, +3 at level 11, +4 at level 14, +5 at level 19.)
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    For all the billions of stealth nerfs that we were given no warning about over the years, this one, that was known and discussed on Llamaland from ages, seems so minor as for me to question why they are bothering with a fix at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dasein18 View Post
    Bravo! Seems clear to me... eat your no ML tomes NOW. You will get the +2 to show up after the patch (no need to level to 7 for it to happen, you get the Xtra skill points). If you do not eat a ML7 will ...poof.. appear on your tome in the bank.
    Yup. Now now now. Go go go. This is why I was supposed to be talking about it before to give you time to eat / sell / trade them *slurp*

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArkoHighStar View Post
    its time for the going out of business sale for no ml tomes

    let the blowout begin
    I'm just glad they figured out what caused this 'bug' in the first place.

    Lol.
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    Thanks for the clear explanation

    Can you elaborate on the reasoning behind retroactively changing old no-ML tomes? Is it for balancing reasons, or because it's the easiest way for you to accomodate the reincarnation code?

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    I is confused.

    If you can leave the no ML tomes in so they work now (and I don't have to level my toons to 7 to get the benefits) and then work as the new tomes if I reincarnate, why are you changing the no ML tomes at all?

    (Again entirely possible I'm missing something) but it seems the change to no ml tomes is being made..so the change can be made? Did a no ml make fun of someone importants mother? Maybe take their lunch money at school? Was one of the Devs frustrated they could never pull one so they're being wiped from the game?

    Really not a rant (yes I've got 20 or so in the bank) ,not that important, just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    Originally posted here in the "Retroactive Tome Change" thread.

    On patch day, any leftover old tomes will be replaced with new tomes (that possess standard minimum levels).
    Without regard for our promise of them being grandfathered or any regard for the financial losses that many of our customers suffered from it? Any chance you might acually address the problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khurse View Post
    I is confused.

    If you can leave the no ML tomes in so they work now (and I don't have to level my toons to 7 to get the benefits) and then work as the new tomes if I reincarnate, why are you changing the no ML tomes at all?

    (Again entirely possible I'm missing something) but it seems the change to no ml tomes is being made..so the change can be made? Did a no ml make fun of someone importants mother? Maybe take their lunch money at school? Was one of the Devs frustrated they could never pull one so they're being wiped from the game?

    Really not a rant (yes I've got 20 or so in the bank) ,not that important, just curious.
    when people started talking about saving +3/+4 tomes for their second reincarnation things started getting heavy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khurse View Post
    I is confused.

    If you can leave the no ML tomes in so they work now (and I don't have to level my toons to 7 to get the benefits) and then work as the new tomes if I reincarnate, why are you changing the no ML tomes at all?

    (Again entirely possible I'm missing something) but it seems the change to no ml tomes is being made..so the change can be made? Did a no ml make fun of someone importants mother? Maybe take their lunch money at school? Was one of the Devs frustrated they could never pull one so they're being wiped from the game?

    The intent is to have all tomes behave the same way after reincarnate is brought in on a go forward basis. The tomes behaving as they are now was not intended. It appears as though we were suppsoed to get a warning about it before it was implemented, but we got some unexpected behaviour instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArkoHighStar View Post
    wait did he just list +5 tomes
    Good eye... I want a screen pic of this dropping
    Maybe in Epic quests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samadhi View Post
    For all the billions of stealth nerfs that we were given no warning about over the years, this one, that was known and discussed on Llamaland from ages, seems so minor as for me to question why they are bothering with a fix at all.

    as a gesture of goodwill to those who feel they were wronged and nothing wrong with them doing that.

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    When is the "patch day"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Khurse View Post
    If you can leave the no ML tomes in so they work now (and I don't have to level my toons to 7 to get the benefits) and then work as the new tomes if I reincarnate, why are you changing the no ML tomes at all?
    I don't think they can leave the no ML tomes so they work now. The way I read it, it sounds like it's more something they can do during a patch (unclamp the inherent bonus), and they can only do it now because noone is reincarnated yet. Once people start reincarnating, they won't be able to do it anymore with the current implementation of inherent bonuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasein18 View Post
    Good eye... I want a screen pic of this dropping
    Maybe in Epic quests?
    possibly


    Oh Eladrin please tell us where we may find these nice +5 tomes you have so nicely told us about
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