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    Default Sigfried Trent’s Build Standards

    Sigfried Trent’s Build Standards

    Updated: 04/22/2010

    Introduction
    In an effort to make the process of creating builds easier and to create a kind of baseline by which they can be compared I decided to come up with some standards for my own posted builds. This is not meant to disparage the way anyone else does builds.

    Main Philosophy
    Builds are created for a purpose and that purpose is the guiding ideal that results in the specific choices. A good build should lay out its objectives and clearly illustrate how to meet them. By doing both you enable others to alter or adjust the build to meet their needs.

    My personal tastes will show through. I like multi-classing, odd combos, experiments, and self sufficient builds. I like having lots of options and things to click on. The more moving parts the better. That said I also admire and will create simple and straight forward builds.

    What is most important
    1. Meeting the purpose of the build
    2. Getting good game performance
    3. Being creative and trying something different

    Regarding Equipment
    I am not an expert on phat lootz. Getting the right gear for your character is very important but it is also something where you change it up as you level and acquire items. I'm assuming folks will seek out and use the best gear for their character that they can get. Gearing builds is also very time intensive so excluding gear saves me a lot of time.

    Stats and tomes
    Because tomes are now available from the DDO store and because 32pt builds are as well, I have decided to favor 32pt builds and the strategic use of tomes to meet stat prerequisites. For basic builds where it just isn't all that useful I will offer a 28pt version without tomes. In either case I will include text describing how to adjust statistics for different build point levels and tome availability.

    Not showing buffed values
    There are so many ways to buff and gear a character I decided to stick to the basic build itself and not include final calculated values. These tend to be over inflated anyhow and hide the essential qualities of the build. This also saves me time.

    Leveling up
    I tend to see a character as having a lifespan. In creating builds I will only build for the final level when there is no other viable way to make the build. I will tend to structure leveling so that the character is fun to play throughout its leveling career introducing as many key components of the character as early as possible. I tend to do enhancements at level 20 because its easier to make adjustments and get the optimal final mix. Most of my characters periodically re-spec enhancements as some are great leveling up and some are better once you are geared out properly.

    Suggestions encouraged
    Don’t think my build is the uberest possible? Think you can do better? You found an error? Well it’s not a surprise. Not all my builds are the best build possible, likely none of them are. I very much welcome commentary and suggestions in my posts. I may well adjust the build based on that feedback. I’m not all knowing and I make errors. Sometimes I won’t take your advice, but that doesn’t mean someone else might not find it valuable, so post away. Please just be respectful of the builder and the person who requested the build.

    Evaluations
    I sometimes rate the performance of my builds in certain categories using this scale. This refers to the base potential, not actual performance which varies greatly due to gear and playskill. Keep in mind these are totally subjective on my part.
    Top or First Tier – In the upper 10% of performance possible in this category
    Second Tier – Very solid performance, good enough for elite/epic and still make yourself useful
    Third Tier – Functional, but not up to par for difficult challenges
    Fourth Tier – You really shouldn't even be trying to do this

    Format
    I had a fancy custom format, but it took me ages to do each build... So I'm using the default character generator forum export along with a simple template for comments and explanations.
    Last edited by sigtrent; 04-22-2010 at 06:54 PM.
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    Thank you, been waiting YEARS to see someone have the guts to do something like this. I will attempt to be a contributor, either with suggestions or builds!

    Will you be setting up a standard fomat? I saw the The Killer Frog build and was impressed how thourgh it was, just a bit to long.
    Last edited by likuei; 07-21-2009 at 02:25 AM.

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    hey sigtrent, could i request that you post the newbie friendly ones (28pt, no tomes) to my template thread? gives the new players more choices
    If you want to know why...

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    Quote Originally Posted by likuei View Post
    Thank you, been waiting YEARS to see someone have the guts to do something like this.
    There was a standard back in the day, but he got banned and then the Character Gen was released and people got lazy :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by likuei View Post
    Thank you, been waiting YEARS to see someone have the guts to do something like this. I will attempt to be a contributor, either with suggestions or builds!

    Will you be setting up a standard fomat? I saw the The Killer Frog build and was impressed how thourgh it was, just a bit to long.
    Well that will only be the 18 trillionth time I've been accused of being long-winded...

    But seriously, it's really hard to present all the information that is important to understanding the build and not end up being a long slog of a read. I think you'll find if you post a build without tons of information about the hows and whys you'll get a lot of comments that don't make sense. (Of course, the other side of that coin is that I got quite a few comments on KF that were directly addressed in the OP -- quite possibly because it was too long for many people to read all of it!)

    Tough balance to achieve. I err toward thoroughness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aranticus View Post
    hey sigtrent, could i request that you post the newbie friendly ones (28pt, no tomes) to my template thread? gives the new players more choices
    I could link there. My MO is to create a thread for the build and then link it from the request thread or my personal characters thread, and then I link the list thread in my Signature. That tends to keep them easy to find and accessible.

    With the time it takes to format the builds this seems the best way to ensure they are seen and easy to find.
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    You should modify the beginner friendly clause to allow one feat respec as a player can get one for free as an end reward.

    I would also suggest adding in a clause to respect the new Minimum levels for tomes.
    Things worthy of Standing Stone going EXTREME PREJUDICE™ on.:
    • NEW - Setting Unarmed Strike back to what it was and attacking the real problem: Reinforced Fists items.
    • Fix the flipping non-proficiency penalties for Bear and Wolf wildshapes!
    • Redoing the drop rates of tomes in generic and raid loot tables.
    • Keep Lynnabel on task with updating the remaining legacy named loot to not suck.
    • Tiering the Runearms so that artificers aren’t screwed out of the advantages of Cannith Crafting in Epic levels on their signature item.
    • Finishing the enhancement tree passes (including racial PrE’s) before rolling out yet another DDOStore™ Enhancement Tree.

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    Default Rodarik Bastion 10/10 Fighter Rogue

    TWF (Dual Bastard Swords) Human Fighter Rogue 32 point build.
    Priorities
    1. Rogue Skills (Dis Dev, Op Loc, Search, Spot, Listen, UMD, Etc)
    2. High AC/ Evasion and Saves
    3. DPS

    I am an old school PnP DnD player looking for a great build for my favorite class combo.

    Thanks a Million!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattrap2474 View Post
    TWF (Dual Bastard Swords) Human Fighter Rogue 32 point build.
    Priorities
    1. Rogue Skills (Dis Dev, Op Loc, Search, Spot, Listen, UMD, Etc)
    2. High AC/ Evasion and Saves
    3. DPS

    I am an old school PnP DnD player looking for a great build for my favorite class combo.

    Thanks a Million!
    You want fries with that?

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    Question Full Dps AA

    Can you make an Amazing dps AA that can also melee when needed too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell77 View Post
    Can you make an Amazing dps AA that can also melee when needed too?
    (H)Elf Rng20?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell77 View Post
    Can you make an Amazing dps AA that can also melee when needed too?
    I think you want the other sigtrent thread.
    Major build threads: Axesinger / Dwarven Defender / Drow Ninja / Drow Paladin / Elven Ranger / Monkcher / Sacred Vanguard / Cleric Domains / Kundarak Brigade / Iconic Builds
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    Default Good rounder juggernaught? @.@

    Hello I'm interested in a juggernaut build I'm a 36 point build with the completionist feat sooooo need more info ask I suppose? @.@

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