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    Default IE 6 playing not nice with Compendium??

    I have found that I am unable to successfully open the compendium recently. My home machines are still running IE 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gfe.090206-1239. Is there anything in the new pages (I used to be able to open them from home) that would not play nice with that vintage IE 6?

    What happens is I click the link to the Compendium and it pops to a blank black page and just sits there doing nothing. I cannot do anything on the IE Page. All buttons, toggles, pull downs, etc are inert. When I go to task manager, it is listed as running, but there is no noticeable activity going on (at first i thought it must be downloading a but of replacement info). The only way to kill the screen is via Task Manager.

    I can open the Compendium from a work based machine running IE 7.

    Followup - I just tried clicking on the DDO Compendium Hot link from the Forum listing and it popped right up. The dead end only seems to nail me when clicking on the Radio button on the top of the page from the forum listings.....

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    I would either upgrade to a newer version of IE or do as I have and just go Firefox or possibly Opera (both have been much better to me then IE)
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    Firefox FTW!
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    You are asking them to keep in mind a browser that's outdated by at least 5 generations of real browsers. No one is masochistic enough to do that.

    Just get a real browser like Firefox or Chrome. Web developer around the world will love you.
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    Default Firefox...

    Firefox is the way to go. You can do anything that you can do with IE and more.

    If you are set on staying with IE though I would suggest flushing the browser cache. I had that problem with my browser a while ago. I flushed it and it started working just fine.
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    "Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 was released on August 27, 2001,"

    Those using 8 year old computer stuff should not complain
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    We were pretty up front that the twf update was going to be a nerf regardless of lag or not.
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    do yourself (and the web programming world) a favor and uninstall IE from your computer.
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    The point was, up until very recently it worked fine. Something in the latest upgrade to the compendium was causing issues. Perhaps flushing the cache might help, I will see.

    As for using other browsers, if you look at many of the market distributions of which browser is being used by people, you still find most sites report close to 2/3 are using IE. So anything which does not play nicely with IE should be a concern for someone maintaining a website. A number of sites show about 20% use Firefox with a growing trend, but still a long way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenako View Post
    As for using other browsers, if you look at many of the market distributions of which browser is being used by people, you still find most sites report close to 2/3 are using IE.
    That's false. It quickly dropping and that is even more true for gaming websites (where people are more computer savvy).

    For example, DDOwiki only has 43% of IE users. That's less than the Firefox users, and then there is Opera, Chrome (which has 7% on its own) and Safari users to count as well. In the case of IE 6, I have less then 6% of the visitors that use IE 6. Even if I was to have a business, or make money off the wiki, I would not mind losing 6% of my customer to avoid the horrible pain that IE 6 is.

    It just limits you too much. At one point, people have to understand they're using a dinosaur and that they have to update.

    It's important to note that is slowly the consensus that everyone is reaching: let's ditch Internet Explorer altogether. Google Wave, which will probably be revolutionary, will not be compatible with IE 8. Simply put, web developers are fed up of the uselessness of IE and even more its older versions.

    By trying to be compatible with old, useless browsers, you're avoiding tons of functions and slowing down progress.

    IE users will have to learn sooner or later that their browser suck. I already know a few programmer that directly send to Firefox or Chrome with the message "Get a real browser" if you try to visit their web page with IE 6. There are so many neat things that could be done, but are not because the web site try to be IE compatible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zenako View Post
    So anything which does not play nicely with IE should be a concern for someone maintaining a website.
    "IE compatible" is misleading. The website is IE 7 compatible. The "problem" is that it is not compatible with IE 6, and that is intentional.

    It's not a bad move. IE 6 is horrible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zenako View Post
    A number of sites show about 20% use Firefox with a growing trend, but still a long way to go.
    Anyone running a website knows that this number is horribly lower than reality. Not to mention, you're being misleading again.

    It is IE 7 compatible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenako View Post
    The point was, up until very recently it worked fine. Something in the latest upgrade to the compendium was causing issues. Perhaps flushing the cache might help, I will see.

    As for using other browsers, if you look at many of the market distributions of which browser is being used by people, you still find most sites report close to 2/3 are using IE. So anything which does not play nicely with IE should be a concern for someone maintaining a website. A number of sites show about 20% use Firefox with a growing trend, but still a long way to go.
    Again not playing nice with IE and not playing nice with 8 year old IE are not the same thing.

    As for firefox reccomendations. In every field there are anti establishment people, underdogs, anti main company, free ware people etc etc... and computer browers are no different. Trying to tell them its not because you aren't using the one they want you to is like trying to **** into a hurricane and not get spash back.
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    We were pretty up front that the twf update was going to be a nerf regardless of lag or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borror0 View Post



    "IE compatible" is misleading. The website is IE 7 compatible. The "problem" is that it is not compatible with IE 6, and that is intentional.

    It's not a bad move. IE 6 is horrible.

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    Well at least this part of your post was correct

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    Just get a real browser like Firefox or Chrome. Web developer around the world will love you.
    LMAO google crome is the only brower I have ever seen where it's an actual fireing offense to install it at many companies. It's due to the morons who wrote the origional User agreement. Even though they quickly changed it most companies now will NEVER allow it to even be installed after that. I mean saying that anything you ever do in a browser is theirs and their right to show anyone they want as examples even in public? *** were they thinking. Anything with medical could not use it, anything with customer passwords, checking accounts, anything. Now granted they changed it in under 72 hrs, but too late too little. The fact that could even be thought to be ok ruined any chance google chrome ever had at businesses. As for fire fox, I have no comment the cube won't eat except have fun and if you really like it so be it.
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    We were pretty up front that the twf update was going to be a nerf regardless of lag or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCalico View Post
    As for firefox reccomendations. In every field there are anti establishment people, underdogs, anti main company, free ware people etc etc... and computer browers are no different. Trying to tell them its not because you aren't using the one they want you to is like trying to **** into a hurricane and not get spash back.
    Correct me if I am getting this wrong, but are you saying Firefox is overrated?

    If so, you are incredibly mistaken. There are a very long list of reasons to think that Firefox is far superior to IE 8. Not only does it run much faster, allow you to customize to no end with add-ons and has better functions, but it also compatible/up to date with far more programming languages.

    It's not about being "against the establishment". It's about having an ounce of knowledge about browsers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borror0 View Post
    Correct me if I am getting this wrong, but are you saying Firefox is overrated?

    If so, you are incredibly mistaken. There are a very long list of reasons to think that Firefox is far superior to IE 8. Not only does it run much faster, .
    Stopped reading right there. As there are 100s of none firefox people studies that clearly show IE 8 being faster in almost everything that counts. The fact you even think firefox is faster shows you don't compare yourself and only read articles that made up their mind before they wrote it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Borror0 View Post

    It's not about being "against the establishment". It's about having an ounce of knowledge about browsers.
    Which is why its main IT supporters are the same group of people that like unix, linux, apple, torrent theft, etc etc...

    On a side note, yes there are SOME good things about fire fox. It's a good browser. But nothing to call home over
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    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCalico View Post
    As there are 100s of none firefox people studies that clearly show IE 8 being faster in almost everything that counts.
    That's highly debatable. For every article that you'll bring up saying that IE 8 is faster, I'll post one that Firefox is faster. It's also not worthy that all the tests that put Firefox as loser do not use the latest (admittedly Beta) of Firefox which runs even more smoothly than previous ones.

    From my experience, Firefox runs faster than IE 8 and Chrome is the speed champion. I have tried all three extensively.

    Oh, and of all three, Firefox allows the fastest browsing thanks to all the add-ons.
    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCalico View Post
    Which is why its main IT supporters are the same group of people that like unix, linux, apple, torrent theft, etc etc...
    Those who actually work with the programs think that it is better, therefore it is a worse browser than IE 8.

    Powerful logic you have.
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    On a side note, yes there are SOME good things about fire fox. It's a good browser. But nothing to call home over
    Some? Let me guess, you have absolutely no knowledge of web development.

    IE 8 is still a dinosaur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borror0 View Post
    That's highly debatable. For every article that you'll bring up saying that IE 8 is faster, I'll post one that Firefox is faster.

    From my experience, Firefox runs faster than IE 8 and Chrome is the speed champion. I have tried all three extensively.

    Those who actually work with the programs think that it is better, therefore it is a worse browser than IE 8.

    Some? Let me guess, you have absolutely no knowledge of web development.

    IE 8 is still a dinosaur.
    1) That was the point there are 100s of articles each way.
    http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=113336
    and you can post one and I can post one and you can post one....
    2) Chrome is faster than either I don't challenge that :P
    3) Mine shows IE is faster than firefox see #1 not getting anywhere with that
    4) You said that people who use firefox aren't anti establishment...so I list people who are as anti establishment as they get and you respond with well its the people who use it! LMAO that was why I listed them. I am glad to see you finally admit the anti establishment groups are the ones that use it :P
    5) Well lets see web developement skill-does 15 years of actual paid work expericence doing that count? How about a BS in Information Technology with miners in Networking and programming? How about being able to program in 11 languages? And not I don't mean in spanish.

    PS> I would be very interested to see you actually click on the article I linked and read it. Then test the same sites they did and post you results. Should be fun to see what you post as results since my tests are showing almost identical to theirs except since I am at work with OC12s and very nice machines my times are faster.
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    We were pretty up front that the twf update was going to be a nerf regardless of lag or not.
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    There are at least two things wrong with that article:
    1. It does not use the latest version of Firefox
    2. It uses particularly easy websites to load (which is Firefox's strength)
    3. Those websites do not represent my browsing experience

    Either way, the list of reasons to use Firefox is so long that even if IE 8 was twice faster, I would not bother as loading faster does not mean browsing faster. Firefox saves time in more ways than simply "loading faster".
    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCalico View Post
    4) You said that people who use firefox aren't anti establishment...so I list people who are as anti establishment as they get and you respond with well its the people who use it! LMAO that was why I listed them. I am glad to see you finally admit the anti establishment groups are the ones that use it :P
    Reword that paragraph as it does not make sense to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCalico View Post
    5) Well lets see web developement skill-does 15 years of actual paid work expericence doing that count? How about a BS in Information Technology with miners in Networking and programming? How about being able to program in 11 languages? And not I don't mean in spanish.
    Then you should know how outdated IE is compared to Firefox, Chrome and Safari.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borror0 View Post
    There are at least two things wrong with that article:
    3. Those websites do not represent my browsing experience
    LOL
    Discussion ends when
    "Amazon, MySpace, Yahoo, YouTube, eBay and Wikipedia."
    Aren't acceptable websites for a test seeing as how they are some of the most used.
    I would personally add google.com to the list and maybe walmart.com but their list is very solid for the public population.

    And yes thank you for intentionally misunderstanding the paragraph where you confirmed that firefox is used by anti establishment people so you could avoid admitting you did it.

    Like I said discussion ends as you have gone in to head in the sand mode like you do on every topic whenever you are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCalico View Post
    I would personally add google.com to the list and maybe walmart.com but their list is very solid for the public population.
    While that list is a good one for the average browser, they don't conform to my use and therefore the performance there is moot to me.

    Trying to discount my position simply because I used a weak argument is blatant dishonesty. Argument #2 was a very good one: those sites are so easy to load that using a faster browser won't make a difference that is perceptible. The strength of Firefox is with the heavier website with a lot of JavaScript/CSS.
    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCalico View Post
    And yes thank you for intentionally misunderstanding the paragraph where you confirmed that firefox is used by anti establishment people so you could avoid admitting you did it.
    No. In case you forget, English is not my native language and it may happen that I don't get a weird formulation.

    Instead of acting like what you said was any clear, you could have reworded it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenako View Post
    I have found that I am unable to successfully open the compendium recently. My home machines are still running IE 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gfe.090206-1239. Is there anything in the new pages (I used to be able to open them from home) that would not play nice with that vintage IE 6?
    The new skin for the Compendium does exhibit some odd styling issues in IE6 (mostly extra white space blocks), but it should still render the page rather than leaving you hanging.

    Briefly, IE7 has been out since late 2006, and IE8 is now receiving the "please install now" push via Windows Update. IE6 is not something we will be designing for with existing or new sites.


    Followup - I just tried clicking on the DDO Compendium Hot link from the Forum listing and it popped right up. The dead end only seems to nail me when clicking on the Radio button on the top of the page from the forum listings.....

    more as I see more
    Puzzling that the behavior would be different; both links end up at the same page. Again though, IE6 is not something we will be designing for or supporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duwis View Post
    The new skin for the Compendium does exhibit some odd styling issues in IE6 (mostly extra white space blocks), but it should still render the page rather than leaving you hanging.

    Briefly, IE7 has been out since late 2006, and IE8 is now receiving the "please install now" push via Windows Update. IE6 is not something we will be designing for with existing or new sites.


    Puzzling that the behavior would be different; both links end up at the same page. Again though, IE6 is not something we will be designing for or supporting.
    Thanks for the reply. Despite the assertions of some members of this forum, I would presume that given the demographics of the playerbase, that probably quite a few players fall into the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mindset when it comes to things like Broswers. Only when they stop working with the subset of the web they visit would they even consider mucking up with a new version, not wanting to spend time debugging and reinstalling things to fix up some borks. Too many horror stories (real or just myth) about systems getting hosed when jumping on new versions of stuff like broswers, anti-virus apps, things like that. (I know most are isolated instances, but you never want to be that isolated instance.)

    I will also echo the comments that installing a "browser of choice" on your work machine could and should get you terminated in many jobs.
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