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    Default Dresick, the Speed Demon [ Warforged 13 rogue / 6 ranger / 1 barbarian ]

    Dresick, the Speed Demon [ Warforged 13 rogue / 6 ranger / 1 barbarian ]

    Meet Dresick, the tempest rogue easy bake oven. This build was inspired by my good friend Dresek, who has two hobbies: rangers and rogues.On his behalf, I have combined the two classes about which he is most passionate in order to create this abomination. I used some of the starting assumptions of Ghallanda's most lovable drow rogue: AC be damned, focus on HP, and kill them before they see you. What started as a silly theme exercise turns out to be a convincing and fun build concept. Going warforged and taking advantage of Docent of Defiance helps justify the poor AC that many rogues out there run around with.

    Dresek may sneak up to them, but this forged will zerg up to them and whack them in the face. With Acrobat II and Barbarian speed increase, and Ranger Sprint Boost II, this build is fast. A high strength, power attack (with 4 enhancements), tempest 10%, 2 favored enemies, Ram's might, will make either those autocrit trash mobs or fortified raid bosses die fast. One of the downsides of playing a rogue can be hitting regularly, and spring attack and speed boosts match will with the twitchy feel of a rogue who is always trying to smack 'em in the ass. I personally like Way of the Acrobat II for the speed and immunity to knockdown, but Way of the Assassin II also goes well with the build for the increased damage on critical hits. Crippling strike is a must and a Radiance II rapier should be on the priority list. The 6 ranger does more for versatility than simply provide tempest - nofail cure wands, resist wands, and jump help buffing and survivability, while bow strength and manyshot opens up a solid ranged combat proficiency. Throw in a couple of rages and super speed and this is a fun toon to have around.

    So here you have it - a pretty sick DPS build with the versatility of a rogue and a different feel and style than many others out there.

    The only thing that could have made Dresek happier would have been a monk splash halfling, but that might have accidentally gotten a nosebleed high AC. I did consider drow for his sake, since they are blue and have low HP :P. But for the sake of fitting the pieces of this build together, sticking with a warforged brute force isn't so bad, either - the melee focus helps reinforce other aspects of the strategy.

    Chaotic Neutral

    Stats
    30 (36) STR: 16 base + 2 tome + 6 item + 1 litany + 5 levels (+ 4 barb rage + 2 rage spell)
    26 DEX: 15 base + 2 tome + 1 litany + 2 rogue enhancements + 6 i]tem
    26 (32) CON: 16 base + 1 tome + 2 racial enhancements +6 item + 1 litany (+ 4 barb rage + 2 rage spell)
    14 INT: 12 base + 2 tome
    8 WIS: 6 base + 1 tome +1 litany
    18 CHA: 10 base + 1 tome + 1 litany + 6 item

    Level splits:
    1 rogue (skill points)
    2-3 ranger (two weapon fighting, wands, bows)
    4 rogue (evasion, shore up trap skills)
    5-8 ranger (improved two weapon fighting, tempest at 9)
    9-16 rogue (get crippling strike)
    17 barbarian (speed it up)
    18-20 rogue (finish with improved evasion)

    Feats:
    1: Toughness (Until mod 9, put power attack here and twink minos legens)
    3: Dodge
    6: Mobility
    9: Spring attack
    12: Improved Critical: Piercing
    15: Greater two weapon fighting
    18: Power Attack
    Favored Enemies: Undead and Evil Outsider
    Rogue special feats: Crippling Strike and Improved Evasion

    Stats breakdown

    UMD:
    23 ranks
    5 7-fingered gloves
    6 shroud cha skills
    3-4 cha modifier
    4 GH
    2 head of good fortune
    43-44: peak UMD, +2 with boost for resurrection

    HP (level 20)
    20 heroic durability
    78 rogue levels
    48 ranger levels
    12 barbarian level
    10 agents 150 favor
    40 racial toughness
    10 barbarian toughness
    30 Greater false life
    20 Minos Legens
    160 con modifier
    45 Shroud HP
    428 at level 20 + rage, barbarian rage, madstone...

    Enhancements:

    HP, Saves, Max subtle backstabbing, Sneak attack damage, Favored enemy damage, Tempest I, etc.
    Last edited by Anthios888; 05-27-2009 at 03:20 AM.
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    Awesome build there.

    Though I dunno how this build could possibly compare to his main going Rogue 20 with the most awesome capstone in the game.... um... cheat game... err... cheat at checkers.

    What about greater command? Can we be assured of getting a few "commanded on the ground" sshots of Dresick on runs to the hound.
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    This one doesn't have slippery mind, so it can only fail its save on greater command once, not twice, like Dresek.

    But at least it's immune to everything else!
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    You are an evil, evil woman...but I'm rolling him up now!

    Not sure how I'll be able to play a character without Cheat Death but I'll try.

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    nice build.. Looks like alot of fun.
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    why chaotic neutral over TN?
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    you know it's for dres when it's a wf tempest

    /golf-clap to this.
    Last edited by valorik; 05-24-2009 at 01:09 PM.
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    very nice build.

    This seals the deal for 1 lvl of barb (couldn't decide on what to take after mod, 14 rogue/6 ranger or 13 rogue/6 ranger/1 barb) for my wf tempest/rogue.

    Was thinking Acrobat II as well and hadn't thought of the damage from Assassin II.

    the damage he does is sick, you'll love it.

    Thanks for posting this!
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    I have a guildy who wants to see this build rolled, only he wanted dwarf instead.
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    Stupid Question:

    Why Barbarian instead of Monk?

    I understand Rage and speed boost, but if you plan on using qstaff it seems like wind stance (speed/attack speed boost), saves, and extra feat, +2 dex, and no -2 ac from rage would be a good investment.

    If you don't plan on using qstaves disregard.
    Last edited by Creeper; 05-24-2009 at 02:09 PM. Reason: Disregard, I see you are taking gtwf and imp crit: piercing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creeper View Post
    Stupid Question:

    Why Barbarian instead of Monk?

    I understand Rage and speed boost, but if you plan on using qstaff it seems like wind stance (speed/attack speed boost), saves, and extra feat, +2 dex, and no -2 ac from rage would be a good investment.

    If you don't plan on using qstaves disregard.
    10% speed increase, and the rage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSteel View Post
    why chaotic neutral over TN?
    While they're not extremely common, no reason not to avoid one of the class of ethos based true-attacks, which a very few mobs have (one of lailat's swords is true chaos, and a number of mobs have chaos hammer)

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    Edit: Just saw the Monk/Barb suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creeper View Post
    Stupid Question:

    Why Barbarian instead of Monk?

    I understand Rage and speed boost, but if you plan on using qstaff it seems like wind stance (speed/attack speed boost), saves, and extra feat, +2 dex, and no -2 ac from rage would be a good investment.

    If you don't plan on using qstaves disregard.
    This is a two weapon fighting build using rapier/shortsword. Monk is a perfectly viable alternative, but was not quite right for the theme of this build, and certainly not necessary to achieve its goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthios888 View Post
    This is a two weapon fighting build using rapier/shortsword. Monk is a perfectly viable alternative, but was not quite right for the theme of this build, and certainly not necessary to achieve its goals.
    Plus, monk with WF just doesn't sit well with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthios888 View Post
    This is a two weapon fighting build using rapier/shortsword.
    Curious as to why you chose Rapier/Shortsword vs. Heavy Pick(Min2/Other DPS)/Rapier(Radiance), a high to-hit via SA especially with a full BAB with Madstone Boots, OS2wF wouldn't be needed IMO.

    Also for the record Subtle Backstabbing turns off/dosen't work whilst raging, so you will have to toggle that accordingly.

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    Yeah I would probably go rapier/light pick personally (for the big crits), although a minII heavy pick with a radiance kukri (imp crit: slashing instead of piercing) would work very nicely. Every little bit of to-hit can be turned into more damage with those power attack enhancements, but I would be very careful not to uber myself into not being able to hit reliably
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    can you have tempest and acrobat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvenoob View Post
    can you have tempest and acrobat?
    Yes, as these are PrE s from different classes.

    So for example Tempest I and Acrobat II will be possible.
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    If I could make one suggestion...

    Frontload the 1 barb and 6 ranger levels. You get the speed and wand use, and nobody will ask you to do traps until level 14 when your icon finally changes from ranger to rogue! I mean ROUGE!

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