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    Cool Drow TWF Battle Cleric

    I want to build a two weapon Drow Battle Cleric. I have came up with tho possible sets of stats

    16 Strength
    16 Dexterity
    12 Constitution
    10 Intellegence
    14 Wisdom
    10 Charisma

    This one seems to be the best possible candidate so far, but I really want DPS. So here is another idea,

    18 Strength
    16 Dexterity
    12 Constitution
    10 Intellegence
    8 Wisdom
    10 Charisma.

    My question is, can you go that low with your wisdom and still be able to cast ALL of the cleric spells. I know I wont have a ton of spell points but I only need enough to heal myself.

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    Simple answer is no. To cast a spell you you need 10 + the spell level. So a lvl 1 spell is 11 wisdom. If you want to cast a ninth lvl spell you need a 19 wisdom to cast.

    I would go with your first set of stats. Gives you a good base and you can add Items to raise it enough to cast the higher spells. A difference of 2 strength is 1 point to hit and damage. not worth it in my opinion.
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    Thanks, That helps a ton. Another question, If I want to cast 8th level spells do I have to have at least an 18 BASE wisdom or can i grab an item to get it up there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexkawasaki7 View Post
    Thanks, That helps a ton. Another question, If I want to cast 8th level spells do I have to have at least an 18 BASE wisdom or can i grab an item to get it up there?
    Please see my response. Cearina's response is misleading, if not incorrect.
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    Cool, I know people dont like battle clerics, but I wanted to make something that you don't see much, a drow cleric, owning with dual bastard swords ;]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexkawasaki7 View Post
    Cool, I know people dont like battle clerics, but I wanted to make something that you don't see much, a drow cleric, owning with dual bastard swords ;]
    my main is a battle cleric,healing yourself is a going to earn you a bad rep, learning to fight and heal at the same time is paramount to a good battle-cleric. learn to do this and people might someday love you as much as me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexkawasaki7 View Post
    Cool, I know people dont like battle clerics, but I wanted to make something that you don't see much, a drow cleric, owning with dual bastard swords ;]
    lol

    ya, not many will see that besides you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impaqt View Post
    Please see my response. Cearina's response is misleading, if not incorrect.
    I'm not sure it's misleading. As far as I know any spell caster must have a relevant stat of 10 + spell level to cast. As far as I know that holds true for all casters weather they be cleric, mage, bard, etc.

    The second part was just my opinion. Correct me if I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cearina View Post
    I'm not sure it's misleading. As far as I know any spell caster must have a relevant stat of 10 + spell level to cast. As far as I know that holds true for all casters weather they be cleric, mage, bard, etc.

    The second part was just my opinion. Correct me if I am wrong.
    OK, Fine. Your Wrong. AS I pointed out, you only need your wisdom to be 10+1 at the time of casting the spell. As ong as you have a +2 TOme and a +1 Wisdom item, you can cast L1 Spells at L1. at Level2, you can take Clr Wis I which gets you to Level 2 Spells. at Level 5 you can use a +2 Wisdom Item to cast L3 Spells... So on and so forth....

    the opinion part, I agree with, but I still fail to see the point of any cleric that refuses to heal other party members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexkawasaki7 View Post
    I want to build a two weapon Drow Battle Cleric. I have came up with tho possible sets of stats

    16 Strength
    16 Dexterity
    12 Constitution
    10 Intellegence
    14 Wisdom
    10 Charisma

    This one seems to be the best possible candidate so far, but I really want DPS. So here is another idea,

    18 Strength
    16 Dexterity
    12 Constitution
    10 Intellegence
    8 Wisdom
    10 Charisma.

    My question is, can you go that low with your wisdom and still be able to cast ALL of the cleric spells. I know I wont have a ton of spell points but I only need enough to heal myself.
    8 +2 Tome +6 Item +3 Cleric Enh = 19

    Yes, You can. You could even relace the Tome with a +2 or +3 Wisdom Item you can craft in the shroud.

    You can also use Level up points to supplement wisdom.

    Be prepared to be ridiculed and shunned in groups. People despise Battle Clerics that refuse to help others. (Including myself) If you dont want to heal people in the group, then play a Paly, Ranger, or even Bard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impaqt View Post
    8 +2 Tome +6 Item +3 Cleric Enh = 19

    Yes, You can. You could even relace the Tome with a +2 or +3 Wisdom Item you can craft in the shroud.

    You can also use Level up points to supplement wisdom.

    Be prepared to be ridiculed and shunned in groups. People despise Battle Clerics that refuse to help others. (Including myself) If you dont want to heal people in the group, then play a Paly, Ranger, or even Bard.
    You ridicule what you could never play.... Part of the problem with the majority of people in this game, you want a babysitter instead of actually being responsible for yourself. The Cleric is one of the best all around classes in the game, and you want it relegated to babysitting and keeping you alive. People need to go buy some pots and wands and stop being slackers where their own "life" comes into the matter. A true cleric can fight, heal, and take care of things as needed. Several out there are listed as Holy Tactics warriors and get along fine in groups, they pay to play how they like the same as you do. Too many players are gimp players wanting someone else to be responsible for them, its sad really. Ninety percent of melee's think the caster's are there to be their personal haste bot, again... go buy some pots to feed your fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamryn View Post
    You ridicule what you could never play.... Part of the problem with the majority of people in this game, you want a babysitter instead of actually being responsible for yourself. The Cleric is one of the best all around classes in the game, and you want it relegated to babysitting and keeping you alive. People need to go buy some pots and wands and stop being slackers where their own "life" comes into the matter. A true cleric can fight, heal, and take care of things as needed. Several out there are listed as Holy Tactics warriors and get along fine in groups, they pay to play how they like the same as you do. Too many players are gimp players wanting someone else to be responsible for them, its sad really. Ninety percent of melee's think the caster's are there to be their personal haste bot, again... go buy some pots to feed your fix.
    ARe you kidding me? lol, I've rerolled more battle clerics than most people have characters....

    I currently run 4 different cleric builds. All setup to Fight as Well as Heal. I Never play a babysitter. I never Expect one to babbysit me when I play my Melee or arcanes.

    Next time have a clue about who your talking to before insulting them.

    The OP said he only needs spell points to heal himself. That is the "Cleric" People Quickly add to their Do NOT GROUP lists....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impaqt View Post
    ARe you kidding me? lol, I've rerolled more battle clerics than most people have characters....

    I currently run 4 different cleric builds. All setup to Fight as Well as Heal. I Never play a babysitter. I never Expect one to babbysit me when I play my Melee or arcanes.

    Next time have a clue about who your talking to before insulting them.

    The OP said he only needs spell points to heal himself. That is the "Cleric" People Quickly add to their Do NOT GROUP lists....
    I do not care what you have or haven't played, it's not your place to tell him that he shouldn't. As I also have capped toons across multiple servers I have seen how people play, and 99% want a babysitter. Perhaps you don't, but IF you've actually played that much then you know for a fact most do. If he uses his SP to mostly heal himself so long as he lists that in his bio and tells it to group leaders then that's on them, not you or anyone else. The symbol in front of the name doesn't mean squat anymore, people have built this that and the other f'ing thing out of all classes. There are lvl 16 rogues out there that can't unlock a door or find a trap let alone disable it, but they can deal some damage thats insane.... However you like to think of the classes throw it all out the window and reboot the brain, because there are going to by hybrid's of anything and everything and who cares, let them. They pay to play same as anyone else. So you get a clue.... I've been getting and building mine since the game started, thanks....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamryn View Post
    I do not care what you have or haven't played, it's not your place to tell him that he shouldn't. As I also have capped toons across multiple servers I have seen how people play, and 99% want a babysitter. Perhaps you don't, but IF you've actually played that much then you know for a fact most do. If he uses his SP to mostly heal himself so long as he lists that in his bio and tells it to group leaders then that's on them, not you or anyone else. The symbol in front of the name doesn't mean squat anymore, people have built this that and the other f'ing thing out of all classes. There are lvl 16 rogues out there that can't unlock a door or find a trap let alone disable it, but they can deal some damage thats insane.... However you like to think of the classes throw it all out the window and reboot the brain, because there are going to by hybrid's of anything and everything and who cares, let them. They pay to play same as anyone else. So you get a clue.... I've been getting and building mine since the game started, thanks....
    Sorry.. Its not my Place to tell him what he "Cannot" do. It is my place and anyone else's to say and provide whatever opinion and reality we want to within the forum guidelines.

    If you dont want other peoples opinions, then dont post your own.

    A Cleric Symbol in front of your name does still mean something in this game. My 14/2 ROgue Cleric (Full Rogue Skills BTW) DOes Traps, Melees, and still has the presence of mind to throw a heal to a TEAMATE when needed. I almost always relegate myself to pure healing in Raids like Shroud Pt4-5 and Vod as well. I play the roll thats required by the Group I'm in. Not some self centered imaginary vision of what I want to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamryn View Post
    You ridicule what you could never play.... Part of the problem with the majority of people in this game, you want a babysitter instead of actually being responsible for yourself. The Cleric is one of the best all around classes in the game, and you want it relegated to babysitting and keeping you alive. People need to go buy some pots and wands and stop being slackers where their own "life" comes into the matter. A true cleric can fight, heal, and take care of things as needed. Several out there are listed as Holy Tactics warriors and get along fine in groups, they pay to play how they like the same as you do. Too many players are gimp players wanting someone else to be responsible for them, its sad really. Ninety percent of melee's think the caster's are there to be their personal haste bot, again... go buy some pots to feed your fix.
    ...the purpose of a cleric is to play a healer...I have seen many great battle clerics who simply throw mass heals while in combat...but in a quest like a shroud you cannot down pots to keep yourself alive. Have you ever seen a shroud party without a healer (including casters if grp is mainly wf) the pit fiend cannot be taken down w/o heals coming in every few seconds...once you do shroud w/o a cleric, bard, or a person umd'ing heal scrolls then I might listen.

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    you cna count items towards your total, staring wiht 14 will net you around 24 without level ups spent into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexkawasaki7 View Post
    I want to build a two weapon Drow Battle Cleric. I have came up with tho possible sets of stats

    16 Strength
    16 Dexterity
    12 Constitution
    10 Intellegence
    14 Wisdom
    10 Charisma

    This one seems to be the best possible candidate so far, but I really want DPS. So here is another idea,

    18 Strength
    16 Dexterity
    12 Constitution
    10 Intellegence
    8 Wisdom
    10 Charisma.

    My question is, can you go that low with your wisdom and still be able to cast ALL of the cleric spells. I know I wont have a ton of spell points but I only need enough to heal myself.

    why drow? few problems HP will suck and if you dont got evaison you need HP, another problems is your second set of stats is just dumb, and the other is your a cleric you heal the other party members even if not good you do it when needed, i got 3 battle clerics and have helped 3-4 people i know build them, 16 str 15 dex (+ 2 tome) 14 con or so rest wisdom, i didnt add the points up but thats probley your best bet, Dwarf,Human and elf is the best way to go, elf would take cross classing most likely though,


    Now that is just me but i play alot of clerics...my favoret class
    Galdair Fairmist,15 Cleric,1 fighter,28 S,30 C,34 W,17 D,17 I,
    Verlock Terwand,14 Fighter,1 Ranger,1 Rouge,421 HP,43 UMD,34-40,Str,GTWF
    Creolee Williams 2 Fighter 8 Barbarian...TWF Build
    Galgone ,13 Cleric,2 Monk,1 Fighter...TWF Build

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    Battle clerics come in all varities. None of the good ones come in the "I only heal myself" variety. That being said, good Battle Clerics are easy to make. Start with a minimum 14 str. Just enough Dex to utilize all the bonus on your armor. Con of 14 and wis of 16 are all "good". Once you get very good at tweaking characters and learning what is required at endgame you can come up with an Uber Battle Cleric build.

    For instance, the battle cleric I am levelling up now will have 32 Str and 30 Wis with 400 HP at engame and be a GTWF DPS machine. Match that with Maximize Blade Barriers and it almost seems unfair to the enemy.

    Like other have said though the absolutely most important thing about playing a battle cleric is being able to accomplish 3 things: 1. Keep yourself alive. 2. Keep others alive. 3. Do as much damage as possible. These are things you have too learn to do all at once which makes battle clerics one of the highest skill builds to play in the game by far... it is also why they have such a bad name because too many people would make a "battle cleric" and only be able to do #1 above... till they ran out of SP.

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