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    Default The end of Charmed Monsters?

    Dominated creatures now appear with blue spell effects, and will follow their master through dungeons. Charmed monsters now tend to remain in the room which they were charmed in.



    What's the point of Charm Spells with this in effect? Thanks for Mass Charm now that it's been ruined........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevthial View Post
    Dominated creatures now appear with blue spell effects, and will follow their master through dungeons. Charmed monsters now tend to remain in the room which they were charmed in.



    What's the point of Charm Spells with this in effect? Thanks for Mass Charm now that it's been ruined........
    Bascially you can't have a little charmed army follow you around. Charm the room then move on and leave them there. Charm the next bunch of monsters and so on.

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    The reason for the change was so that there would be an advantage to casting Dominate spells, which give a stronger kind of control.

    In D&D, Dominate will let you have the victim fight for you, but Charm will usually not do that; a Charmed creature thinks you're his friend, not his boss.
    In DDO, Charm has been upgraded to cause victims to be combat slaves, which means that so far Dominate hasn't been any better.

    In the future, Dominate will be the spell to get a slave to follow you around, while Charm will be to make it fight in one spot.

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    What's the point of Charm Spells with this in effect?
    The point is that you come into a room with 10 trolls, and Charm one of them. All the other trolls attack him, giving your team an opening to kill them one at a time.

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    Thanks for Mass Charm now that it's been ruined........
    You come into a room with 5 Frost Giants and hit them all with one Mass Charm spell. Then you use the Dismiss Charm feat to release them one at a time to fight them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drider View Post
    Bascially you can't have a little charmed army follow you around. Charm the room then move on and leave them there. Charm the next bunch of monsters and so on.
    Which ruins the Charm spells......
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    and turbine wasted resources fixing this instead of things like a recall from the shroud taking you to korthos or maybe fixing hand wraps oh god i could go on and on. with so many other things needing fixed this is poor use of resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tolana View Post
    and turbine wasted resources fixing this instead of things like a recall from the shroud taking you to korthos or maybe fixing hand wraps oh god i could go on and on. with so many other things needing fixed this is poor use of resources.

    Umm what are you babbling about.. those are fixed.. read the mod 9 patch notes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevthial View Post
    Which ruins the Charm spells......

    I don't usually agree with AD, but he's right on Domination over Charm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tolana View Post
    and turbine wasted resources fixing this instead of things like a recall from the shroud taking you to korthos or maybe fixing hand wraps oh god i could go on and on. with so many other things needing fixed this is poor use of resources.
    No, the fixed the shroud thing as well. And some things added back to handwraps (like vicious, which is now 1d3 and with fists of light.... NM, who plays monks anyway).

    Good change turbine, like AD said, charmed mobs aren't supposed to be your slaves. This way wizards are not taking armies through SC.
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    as of today they are not fixed and i find it hard to beleive anything turbine says now

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    Quote Originally Posted by tolana View Post
    as of today they are not fixed and i find it hard to beleive anything turbine says now
    That's very nearly self-contradictory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tolana View Post
    as of today they are not fixed and i find it hard to beleive anything turbine says now

    Soo just trolling then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tolana View Post
    as of today they are not fixed and i find it hard to beleive anything turbine says now
    want a cookie?

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    Given that monsters like to fight when possible, if your army is large enough you can probably bring it with you via dismiss charm, using the dismissed monsters along the way as breadcrumbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCow View Post
    Given that monsters like to fight when possible, if your army is large enough you can probably bring it with you via dismiss charm, using the dismissed monsters along the way as breadcrumbs.
    haha good thinking ! may be a bit strung out but it could work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drider View Post
    I don't usually agree with AD, but he's right on Domination over Charm.
    Not totally correct, in PnP , the creature which is charmed wont do something it wont normally do. Evil creatures such as Trolls or orcs for example, will kill one another over a single piece of copper with the right words whispered in their ears. There is even an example of how you couldnt convince a creature that is charmed to drink acid, but you could convince it to "hold off that dragon a sec while i escape" which leads to its death. It isn't hard to see how a charmed chaotic evil creature could be convinced to join you and loot the place it was living at if you "convinced him he would be the boss when its over" .............
    Turbine kinda dropped the ball on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevthial View Post
    Which ruins the Charm spells......
    It does?

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    It's lower level than dominate of course it should be weaker. I'm just wondering what Command Undead counts as.

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    Except not everything we fight is chaotic.

    They can't really be expected to program culture into a mob.

    Charm a kobold he will hide behind you and clean your armor.

    Charm an ogre and he will act as a bouncer/bodyguard.

    Charm a troll and he may kill you for a gold piece anyway, it is what trolls do.

    Charm a Dwarf and he will meet you back at the pub for a beer.

    I think we get that Charm was your tactic of choice, it will still work to a certain extent soooooo

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    Quote Originally Posted by noilli View Post
    It's lower level than dominate of course it should be weaker. I'm just wondering what Command Undead counts as.
    I wouldn't bet on it being implemented properly but it should be more like dominate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadeare View Post
    Except not everything we fight is chaotic.

    They can't really be expected to program culture into a mob.

    Charm a kobold he will hide behind you and clean your armor.

    Charm an ogre and he will act as a bouncer/bodyguard.

    Charm a troll and he may kill you for a gold piece anyway, it is what trolls do.

    Charm a Dwarf and he will meet you back at the pub for a beer.

    I think we get that Charm was your tactic of choice, it will still work to a certain extent soooooo

    Give it up Nevthial
    It will still work for me as I typically use it to draw evrything in sight into a spell trap. Good thing Dominate Monster is being given to us for the other uses though...
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