a level 16 paladin adds 55 damage on smite evil; before criticals, which is why it's good, and still useful even on undead/etc.
The low number of uses and opportunities to use this ability are what make it lackluster; though in theory, with wrack construct, they could crit smite.
There are various scripted objectives where killing a hostile creature with a single lucky hit is a bad thing, or even a failure thing. Sleeping Dust Lie is one clear example, but there are other situations when a rogue might want to attack a monster, but not kill it (Hound of Xoriat, or unknown future quests). Vorpal weapons can be intentionally swapped-out on those occasions, but Assassin 3 looks like it will be permanent.
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the D&D rules, and give Assassin2 a toggle which turns their death effects (whether active or passive) into paralysis attacks.
That way, the default state is fatal attacks (which you probably want), so you won't accidently miss out on kills if it got reset somehow. And the Assassin class gains a little more flexibility for special encounters.
eladrin, i like the work you are doing on the rogue enhancements. it is an interesting ability. it's not bad at all. however, it doesn't seem like it will be all that amazing in higher level content. i just have two questions.
the first is did you guys considering giving us abilities like it actually states in the PnP rules listed here. while i realize all of these cannot be implemented, was wondering if you guys considered them?
Hide in Plain Sight (Su)
At 8th level, an assassin can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as he is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, an assassin can hide himself from view in the open without having anything to actually hide behind. He cannot, however, hide in his own shadow.
Assassin Spell List
Assassins choose their spells from the following list:
disguise self, detect poison, feather fall, ghost sound, jump, obscuring mist, sleep, true strike.
alter self, cat’s grace, darkness, fox’s cunning, illusory script, invisibility, pass without trace, spider climb, undetectable alignment.
deep slumber, deeper darkness, false life, magic circle against good, misdirection, nondetection.
4th Levelclairaudience/clairvoyance, dimension door, freedom of movement, glibness, greater invisibility, locate creature, modify memory, poison.
2nd question i have is about the rogue special abilities or feats rogues get at level 10, 13, 16 and 19. in the rules it says rogues may choose a regular feat in place of a rogue special ability or feat. i am just wondering if you guys have any plans to let us do this in the future. as it stands now, rogues eventually end up with all the same special abilities or feats anyway. by level 19 everyone will have the same rogue special abilties or feats. we should be able to build our characters how we want. is this on the docket to be changed in the future?
it's listed here:
MAYBE it might have been better for one option as a refreshing clickie a la Smite Evil (I KNOW there are too many) for assassins to sneak attack undead and/or mechanics to do the same with constructs (as per the 3.5 spells gravestrike and golemstrike now moved to the 3.5 spell compendium.)
But can't say I am considering paying more AP for something even more expensive than paladin requirements, sans feats.
And ditto to choose any qualified feat for those special feat grantings instead of MUST choose the same rogue abilities. If I wanted WoW or AoC, I would have played that (well, assuming AoC would be around when I made that decision )
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eladrin this is a great addition. however, every way of assassin 1, 2 & 3 gives a bonus to bluff which still remains a useless skill. besides a few NPCs, one of the best skills in the game for rogues is useless.
improved feint is pretty useless in that it is not an attack and the time length that creatures stay bluffed is so short that you can hardly make an attack in that time window.
many have said this before so, i appreciate way of the assassin 3, but gives bonuses to useful game skills. that's my only gripe.
Instead of vorpals, could Assassin 3 be changed to Sneak attack + confirmed natural 20 = assassinate attempt.
It would add 1.75 to damage per swing on average against vorpal immune mobs, which honestly isn't all much of a damge increase but would be considered fun by players.
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Actually, won't a vorpal be sorta useless by level 18?
Think about all the giants in the new quests that all have an undispellable deathward buff. Vorpal won't do anything against them, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that trend continue through later levels.
I'm a bit skeptical of the smite construct ability as well. With a limited ability to actually make critical attacks against a constructs, a big part of what makes smites so fun it lost.
I still think a way to bypass fortification for additional sneak attacks and/or crits on all creatures would be a nice addition to a rogue enhancement, even if it was divided into seperate enhancements based on creature type.
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Any chance we can get Way of the Acrobat 3 to use your Dex modifier for to hit and damage?
I dont understand why the show time buff even buffs dex, yet all our DDO acrobats are clumsy huge armed bodybuilders instead of agile well.... acrobats!
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I am just training to make quarterstaves a more viable option as they would have far more synergy with a dex build then a strength one. Nothing will change for non-staff users anyway, so there is no reason to be sour.
The chance is already less than 1/20th (needs crit confirmation, weak). Why stack another chance on top of that? That makes it basically useless... If it's a 50% chance say, that's one out of every 40 sneak attacks. You can forget about caring for that.
I'd rather have Hide in Plain Sight as well (real Hide in Plain Sight, hide while being observed).
If it was changed to A: Any crit, or B: 100% chance on a 20, it would be nice, not to mention, worth my AP.
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