OMG its teh Temmest!
That reduces the value of UMD to a tempest character, which reduces the value of rogue/bard/wizard levels he might have taken before, which is yet another good reason to allow some class-level respec.
Since the speed bonus is also competence, we can expect to see other ways to get a competence increase to attack rate. It wouldn't be at all suprising if Warchanter 3 has a 5% competence attack-speed song, for example. Also future raid loot might offer competence attack speed. Any addition like that would probably be less than the 10% a tempest has, although as magic items get better, the cost of a slot to wear that item increases.
The design objective of (D&D) rangers is that they have the same kind of TWF as available to anyone, but without needing to meet the prereqs. The ability to have a lower dex was benefit enough. Now it looks like they might be seriously surpassing (even if the other character finds some costly way to improve his attack rate).
It seems you'd open up more design space if there was a way for non-rangers to get the extra TWF attacks, even if they don't have the other speed-bonuses of Tempest. (Maybe Superior TWF as an epic feat at level 20+)
I like it.
Although I dont think many people will make builds around tier II of this PrE.
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>>That reduces the value of UMD to a tempest character, which reduces the value of
>> rogue/bard/wizard levels he might have taken before, which is yet another good
>> reason to allow some class-level respec.
Actually I think this levels the playing field a bit for the Arcane Archer path with a few levels of Wizard as part of the build.
With a few levels of Wizard you can now match the AC with a Tempest (by keeping shield up). Obviously you still are missing the Speed and Attack Bonuses but it is closer than it was when you could have the Temest AC bonus and Shield Clicky as stacking.
There's no way a TWF-specced fighter can compare to this, even with all the feats and the full Attack haste enhancement progression.
I STILL think that linking the prestige enhancements to specific classes is a mistake. The v3.5 Prestige Classes have Spell Level, skills, feats, or BAB as pre-reqs, not specific classes. A fighter that takes all the TWF feats ought to qualify for Tempest, for example.
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With superior two weapon fighting coming obviously superior two handed fighting will be coming as well in some capacity. I wonder what the attack sequence for both will be like? Hopefully they will clean up the last attack for two handed fighting and the new last attacks will be quicker..
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For a finesse person to put a rapier in the offhand is only very slightly better than having a light pick or kukri there; the kukri crits identically to a rapier, and a pick has the same crit power (if you multiply it out). An offhand rapier is only valuable for Puncturing, not DPS.
But when a strength character replaces his offhand kukri/handaxe/light-pick with a khopesh, his DPS goes way up. There's no light weapon with 19-20/x3 crits, so all his damage bonuses scale up bigger.
This is why I long-ago suggested adding feats to either create a good exotic finesse weapon, or to increase the crit-mult on an existing finesse weapon. (For example, a feat to give shortswords +1 crit mult on natural 20s)
Anyone remember how many attacks/round the old STWF was going to give when the devs were talking about releasing it?
Last edited by Cold Stele; 01-07-2009 at 10:48 AM.
why is everyone saying tier 2 is weak? its another +10% to attack speed, unless im reading it wrong
You see, for a ranger to spend feats to qualify for Tempest is painful, as they're otherwise nearly useless. But for fighters it would feel trivial, because they have more feat slots than they know what to do with. Before opening Tempest to fighters, they should add more good fighter feats, so that it actually feels like a cost for them to train Mobility and Spring Attack.
In addition, it should probably only be opened to fighters (and maybe barbs). Paladins should certainly not be able to get Tempest, because stacking Zeal + 10% competence attack...
Last edited by Angelus_dead; 01-07-2009 at 10:47 AM.
I didnt see this asked.. Are the 10% Speed Increases STACKING?
30% Attack Increase that Stacks with Haste seems insane.....
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