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    Lightbulb Ranger/Rogue Build - Feedback requested

    I have recently come back to DDO and I am looking to a new ranger build. For all you experienced rangers out there, I would like some feedback/suggestions on this build.

    Little Note: My favored enemies I just picked to fill out, I haven't decided on what to take. So suggestions there would be nice.

    Thanks for looking!

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    Level 16 True Neutral Elf Male
    (1 Rogue \ 15 Ranger) 
    Hit Points: 146
    Spell Points: 184 
    BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
    Fortitude: 9
    Reflex: 20
    Will: 6
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Stats          Modified Stats
    Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 16)
    Strength             10                    10
    Dexterity            20                    29
    Constitution         10                    10
    Intelligence         10                    10
    Wisdom               12                    12
    Charisma              8                     8
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
    Balance               6                    10
    Bluff                -1                    -1
    Concentration         0                     0
    Diplomacy            -1                    -1
    Disable Device        n/a                  19
    Haggle               -1                    -1
    Heal                  1                     1
    Hide                  9                    20
    Intimidate           -1                    -1
    Jump                  2                     2
    Listen                5                     8
    Move Silently         9                    25
    Open Lock             n/a                  20
    Perform              n/a                   n/a
    Repair                0                     0
    Search                4                    20
    Spot                  5                     8
    Swim                  0                     0
    Tumble                n/a                   n/a
    Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a
    
    Level 1 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Reptillian
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
    Enhancement: Elf Ranged Damage I
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
    
    Level 2 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
    Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
    Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
    Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
    
    Level 3 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
    
    Level 4 (Ranger)
    
    Level 5 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
    Enhancement: Elf Ranged Attack I
    
    Level 6 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
    Feat: (Selected) Mobility
    Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost I
    Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost II
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
    
    Level 7 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
    
    Level 8 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost III
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
    
    Level 9 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Shot on the Run
    Enhancement: Elf Ranged Damage II
    
    Level 10 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
    
    Level 11 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    
    Level 12 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
    Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost III
    Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III
    
    Level 13 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost IV
    
    Level 14 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
    
    Level 15 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack II
    
    Level 16 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Chaotic Outsider
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage IV
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense II
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    Are you planning on being the primary trapmonkey for your parties? If so, I've got a couple of suggestions to make....

    Pretty much, always start a ranger/rogue hybrid with rogue first. You end up wasting a lot of important class skill points by doing otherwise.

    A dual-class (in my opinion, ymmv) can't afford to max a stat out. Take the dex down to 18, and put those points into int or con. I generally build my ranger/rogues to hit a 16 int after whatever tomes I have available, but a lot of other people are satisfied with a 14. Others recommend an 18.

    Umd is one of the best reasons for dropping a rogue level into another class. It adds an incredible amount of flexibility and survivability to a build.

    True neutral is a decent alignment, but without umd, you are locking yourself away from any item with the "pure good" suffix on it. You also won't be able to use a res ring. For general weapon purposes, neutral good tends to work a little bit better.
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    If you plan on being the main rogue in the party in elite content then you need to have a minimum of 58 Disable Device, and ~45ish OL (not as important since you can try to open a lock as many times as necessary. Your going to have to change some stuff up or plan on getting some highend equipment and raid gear to pull this off. Personally, I'd drop my dex to 18

    +19 Ranks
    +15 DD Item
    +7 +5 tools
    +3 Int (+6 item)
    +4 GH
    +2 Head of Good Fortune (Reaver Loot)
    +5 Skill Boost
    +3 Bracers from Reaver
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    58

    Here are the starting stats I went with on my Ranger/Rogue
    Stats
    Str 16 + 2 ram's + 3 levels + 1 tome + 6 item = 28
    Dex 18 + 3 Ranger + 2 Eleven dex + 1 level +2 tome + 6 item = 32
    Con 12 + 2 tome + 6 item= 20
    Int 12+2 tome +6 item=20
    Wis 10 + 6 item + 2 favor tome = 18
    Cha 8 = dump stat

    I would increase your strength to at least 14, increase your intelligence to at least 12, increase your Con to at least 12 although 14 would be better.
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    I would strongly consider working the feat "Weapon Finesse" into your build somehow. With the Dex you are going to end up with, this feat will really help you hit stuff and a ranger that can melee and shoot things is pretty fashionable these days. My 2 cents.
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    Thanks for the input. I have thought over something's based on your comments and I have come up with a new build.

    Something's to note: I can only build 28 points so I have had to adjust things because of this.

    Here is my adjusted build.

    Thoughts?

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    Ranger Rogue
    Level 16 Neutral Good Elf Male
    (1 Rogue \ 15 Ranger) 
    Hit Points: 162
    Spell Points: 160 
    BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
    Fortitude: 10
    Reflex: 19
    Will: 5
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Stats          Modified Stats
    Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 16)
    Strength             12                    12
    Dexterity            18                    27
    Constitution         12                    12
    Intelligence         14                    14
    Wisdom               10                    10
    Charisma              8                     8
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
    Balance               4                     8
    Bluff                -1                    -1
    Concentration         1                     1
    Diplomacy            -1                    -1
    Disable Device        6                    22
    Haggle               -1                    -1
    Heal                  0                     0
    Hide                  8                    20
    Intimidate           -1                    -1
    Jump                  5                     6
    Listen                4                     8
    Move Silently         8                    26
    Open Lock             8                    18
    Perform              n/a                   n/a
    Repair                2                     2
    Search                6                    23
    Spot                  4                    10
    Swim                  1                     1
    Tumble                8                    12
    Use Magic Device      3                    16
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    
    Level 2 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Reptillian
    
    Level 3 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    
    Level 4 (Ranger)
    
    Level 5 (Ranger)
    
    Level 6 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
    Feat: (Selected) Mobility
    
    Level 7 (Ranger)
    
    Level 8 (Ranger)
    
    Level 9 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Shot on the Run
    
    Level 10 (Ranger)
    
    Level 11 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    
    Level 12 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
    
    Level 13 (Ranger)
    
    Level 14 (Ranger)
    
    Level 15 (Ranger)
    
    Level 16 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Lawful Outsider
    Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost I
    Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost II
    Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost III
    Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
    Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
    Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost III
    Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost IV
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
    Enhancement: Elf Ranged Attack I
    Enhancement: Elf Ranged Attack II
    Enhancement: Elf Ranged Damage I
    Enhancement: Elf Ranged Damage II
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack II
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
    Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
    Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
    Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III
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    Is ****

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    Thumbs up My Ranger/Rogue/Fighter build

    Halfling Male
    Lawful Good
    (L18 Ranger/L1 Rogue/L1 Fighter)
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    Create your character as Rogue, then take levels 2 to 5 as Ranger, level 6 as Fighter, and 7 to 20 as Ranger.

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    Strength 12
    Dexterity 18
    Constitution 14
    Intelligence 14
    Wisdom 12
    Charisma 8

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    Ability increase every 4 levels: All in DEX.

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    Skills : Disable Device, Search, Open Locks, UMD, Spot, Hide, Move Silently, Balance, Concentration, Tumble, Jump

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    Feats (by level), except Human: Dodge (1), Favored Enemy: Undead (2), Weapon Finesse (3), Mobility (6), Spring Attack (6), Favored Enemy: Construct (7), Improved Crit: Piercing (9), Power Attack (12) or Khopesh proficiency (12), Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider (12), Toughness (15), Favored Enemy: Elemental (17), Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting (18)

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    Enhancements (Rogue): Haste Boost I, Sneak Attack Training I

    Enhancements (Ranger): Devotion II, Dexterity II, Energy Resistance Boost I, Favored Attack I, Favored Damage II, Favored Resistance I, Skill Boost III (except on Human), Sprint Boost I, Tempest III

    Enhancements (Fighter): Attack Boost I (except on Human), Toughness I

    Enhancements (Halfling): Cunning I, Guile II, Hero's Companion III, Luck (Fortitude) I, Luck (Reflex) II, Luck (Will) I, Racial Toughness II
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorusDaar View Post
    Is ****
    Really? Was this necessary?

    I'm gonna bet that the op has already made, capped, and rerolled a couple of times since may of 2008 when they posted this....
    Osharan, Esharan, Osharina, Usharina, etc... I'm the 'sharans. Epoxy. Notverysexy.
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    Nah wasn't necessary if he re-rerolled, though he plainly forgot to post here again . So to the post, and the relevance of the build he has posted, yes. It's necessary. He can always come and defend himself by posting a better build.

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