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    Quote Originally Posted by Falco_Easts View Post
    Hey Q, me and you might not always see eye to eye on how to handle the farmers but we do agree that they need to be stamped out.
    Personally I don't think a lot can be done to stop the farming accounts. I mean, how do you prove they are plat farmers and not loot wh*res like the rest of us.
    Personally I think they need to stop the tells. Who cares if they are farming plat if they can't tell anyone and get business out of it. I still think the best way is to add a filter to the chat channels that is maintained by the GM's. Every time a tell is reported, the website mentioned it is added to the filter. Won't be long before all their websites and variations of can no longer be mentioned in DDO.
    Thanks.
    Actually alot can be done to stop the farming accounts, its just that Turbine has not put much effort into it for their own reasons. But at the very least they can TRY to get rid of all this spam tells. Its getting nuts in-game with how much is sent out. We all get hit with advertisements daily in real life, can we not have ONE place where we can escape advertisements?
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    Default OK, One last post, sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quanefel View Post
    Thanks.
    Actually alot can be done to stop the farming accounts, its just that Turbine has not put much effort into it for their own reasons. But at the very least they can TRY to get rid of all this spam tells. Its getting nuts in-game with how much is sent out. We all get hit with advertisements daily in real life, can we not have ONE place where we can escape advertisements?

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    Default its easy

    All ya have to do is this

    !) when someone reports a spammer the text the person sent is flagged ... 5 flags and the text is put into a blocked spam list... anytime the chat servers see that particular set of spam text come thru it deletes the msg. all automated.. newbies can still send tells to people without it getting blocked.

    2) all IP's are logged. someone spams on that acct. after x number of requests that ip is banned for a random number of days. when its unblocked if its complained about again for x number of days then the ban is permanent.

    there are many simple ways to cut down on it. Just not many sysadmin's that are willing to take the time to set up the appropriate filters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by admcorbin View Post
    All ya have to do is this

    !) when someone reports a spammer the text the person sent is flagged ... 5 flags and the text is put into a blocked spam list... anytime the chat servers see that particular set of spam text come thru it deletes the msg. all automated.. newbies can still send tells to people without it getting blocked.

    2) all IP's are logged. someone spams on that acct. after x number of requests that ip is banned for a random number of days. when its unblocked if its complained about again for x number of days then the ban is permanent.

    there are many simple ways to cut down on it. Just not many sysadmin's that are willing to take the time to set up the appropriate filters.

    I agree, that IS simple.

    Whether or not this is effective depends on how fast these mass tells get sent out. If they are all gone by the time the first five people report it, then the spammer dumps the account anyway and the spammer was successful.

    The IP thing may or may not be effective. If people want to throw off IP blocking it is doable, and then you've got the problem of setting up procedures to unblock IPs just in case.

    I'm all for simple, but I'm not sure either of these will be effective in stopping the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChainsawXIV View Post
    Let me play the devil's advocate here for a moment, because this kind of comment offends my sense of reason. Regardless of what you think about the morality of enhancing your experience in a game by investing real world resources, the people who provide that service are not stealing from the game's creator. That's like saying auto parts stores or mechanics are stealing from car manufacturers by providing a related service, the market for which springs from the manufacturer's product.

    If you want to take issue with the impact on the economy, or the unfair advantage that people can gain, then be my guest. If you want to address the idea that spending real money for in game resources actually leads to less fun, go for it. Claiming that the farmers didn't work for, or are simply not entitled to the fruits of their labour because their market is based on another company's product however is unrealistic at best. Ultimately, the problem with gold selling is like the problem with porn - a moral and social issue, not a question of ownership.

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    * Enter Necromance to resurect the thread.

    Ohhhh great another debate about this old stuff about what is intellectual and what is not.

    Your car analogy is incorrect and some car manufacturers ARE doing all they can to make sure you can only go to the dealers BTW. Beside the point.
    The plat farming is not a service like a car mechanic. They dont provide a service on top of what is already provided. They deliberatly steal property from turbine and sell it for profit without Turbines consent. It may not make a lick of sense to you if you have never designed a game before, gone through the trouble to make it, and publish it. The same as an artist which most gaming copyrights follow.
    You right now in the US, cannot make a profit off of my idea without my consent. If you tried to I could prosecute you and throw you in jail or sue you.
    The plat farmers right now are not allowed by US law to profit off the idea that is DDO platinum because it is legally defined as the intellectual property of Turbine. Imagine the developer who came up with the idea of the platinum and money system in DDO. The hours spent coding, the time of the UI interface designer to create the models and get them in game, and the effort of the programmers to put them in the right place. They did all that because they got paid to do it.
    Now some punk in some foreign country simply for the fact that they breath air gets an idea to sell the platinum I worked so hard to implement in the game by doing nothing more than taking up valuable oxygen volume from the planet?
    Not just no but heck no. They dont get to make money off of my idea by directly selling the intellectual property I created.
    Argue all you want. Its not the same as reselling, its not the same as a service. Its stealing, call it what it is.
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    Default The overall problem

    Really isn't one of plat farming. That really doesn't bug me. As long as people advertise off line or there is a spot to do it, like an e-bay for mmorpgs. .. personally i believe in the long run it can help the people who don't have the time to play professionally ( anyone who plays 6-8 hours a day in my opinion is a professional player) to those who only play part time and can't devote the time to gathering those resources to buy gear. If they want to spend their money more power to them. My issue is that in 30 minutes i'll have gotten something like 10-15 tells saying come buy plat/resources whatever all from different toons but from the same company. If i send a tell asking to please take me off the list they send a tell anyway.

    Plat farmers need to understand that not everyone wants to buy plat or resources, part timer or not. There needs to be a happy compromise somewhere in that they need to have a website for these folks to advertise and players to comment on how good their services are recieved ( did they deliver on time, etc, etc).

    Now you might ask why i feel this way.

    On the european server in EQ, ( i have a lvl 78 cleric there ) one of the most sought after rank 2 buffs there are, temerity 2, typically sells for 200-550k plat.. given my normal cash reserve and how much after buying potions and whatnot it'd take me about 100 days to get enough cash to buy it. If i wanted to fork over the cash to get some extra resources, thats my business. techincally i'm not really hurting sony because i'm getting a spell that will help others stay alive and whatnot.

    anyway

    thats my point ,... refer to my previous post if u want to fix this issue. very simple to implement especially the first one, just time consuming for the IT admins to set it up and they problebaby don't want to spend the time doign it
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    Quote Originally Posted by admcorbin View Post
    Really isn't one of plat farming. That really doesn't bug me. As long as people advertise off line or there is a spot to do it, like an e-bay for mmorpgs. .. personally i believe in the long run it can help the people who don't have the time to play professionally ( anyone who plays 6-8 hours a day in my opinion is a professional player) to those who only play part time and can't devote the time to gathering those resources to buy gear. If they want to spend their money more power to them. My issue is that in 30 minutes i'll have gotten something like 10-15 tells saying come buy plat/resources whatever all from different toons but from the same company. If i send a tell asking to please take me off the list they send a tell anyway.

    Plat farmers need to understand that not everyone wants to buy plat or resources, part timer or not. There needs to be a happy compromise somewhere in that they need to have a website for these folks to advertise and players to comment on how good their services are recieved ( did they deliver on time, etc, etc).

    Now you might ask why i feel this way.

    On the european server in EQ, ( i have a lvl 78 cleric there ) one of the most sought after rank 2 buffs there are, temerity 2, typically sells for 200-550k plat.. given my normal cash reserve and how much after buying potions and whatnot it'd take me about 100 days to get enough cash to buy it. If i wanted to fork over the cash to get some extra resources, thats my business. techincally i'm not really hurting sony because i'm getting a spell that will help others stay alive and whatnot.

    anyway

    thats my point ,... refer to my previous post if u want to fix this issue. very simple to implement especially the first one, just time consuming for the IT admins to set it up and they problebaby don't want to spend the time doign it
    if you actually noticed, there are 3-4 major plat sellers in ddo. after my recent "sting", the company behind that farmer was hit hard. right now i only noticed 2 sellers advertising. they may or may not be connected but i observed a drop in number of tells
    If you want to know why...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aranticus View Post
    if you actually noticed, there are 3-4 major plat sellers in ddo. after my recent "sting", the company behind that farmer was hit hard. right now i only noticed 2 sellers advertising. they may or may not be connected but i observed a drop in number of tells
    Yes but sadly they already have a new group of six leveling up, ready to replace those that were taken care of probably within a week's time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quanefel View Post
    Yes but sadly they already have a new group of six leveling up, ready to replace those that were taken care of probably within a week's time.
    well 10 mins of my time to get less tells for 2 weeks..... worth it
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    Default Plat spamming is ruining the gam eexperience

    Turbine its really gotten out of hand now.
    I received 10 plat tells 2 days ago while I was playing. Yes I reported all of them.

    Then the day before that I received 5, the day before another 8.

    I am almost to the point of asking to shut down the /tell function all together.

    Or only make it so I can only receive /tell's from people on my friends list.
    I cant walk from house J to House D without another flipping tell.

    It really expires my "real feel" when the plat tell comes in. To the point of outright anger.
    I know its just a game but this is getting beyond ridiculous. There is an infection DDO and it is spreading.
    Anyone who sympathizes with these people or buys their plat is not part of the solution, they are part of the problem.
    I'm done with this plat tell, I know it takes time and money on Turbine's part but I think a huge sweeping crackdown needs to occurr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccheath776 View Post
    Turbine its really gotten out of hand now.
    I received 10 plat tells 2 days ago while I was playing. Yes I reported all of them.

    Then the day before that I received 5, the day before another 8.

    I am almost to the point of asking to shut down the /tell function all together.

    Or only make it so I can only receive /tell's from people on my friends list.
    I cant walk from house J to House D without another flipping tell.

    It really expires my "real feel" when the plat tell comes in. To the point of outright anger.
    I know its just a game but this is getting beyond ridiculous. There is an infection DDO and it is spreading.
    Anyone who sympathizes with these people or buys their plat is not part of the solution, they are part of the problem.
    I'm done with this plat tell, I know it takes time and money on Turbine's part but I think a huge sweeping crackdown needs to occurr.
    I think you're making a big deal out of this...NO ONE likes plat farmers...and EVERYONE gets the tells...so...yeah...just ignore it
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    if it really bothers you, there's already an option to ignore tells, or you could just create another chat tab for tells alone.

    got nothing else to suggest, sorry.

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    you shoulda been around a year ago. This is much better than before, when we'd open up a mailbox full of spam, plus get endless tell spam. It would be nice if it would go away, but it's way more tolerable than the past. Now, it's just a "ding" that gets buried in general chat in short order. Try logging on your cleric for a while, and tell me that's any better.
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    haha how is this ruining your game experience? Yea they are annoying .. .but don't you think you are being a tad bit dramatic here?

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    "Quit whining back there or I'll give you something to have your gaming experience ruined about!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    haha how is this ruining your game experience? Yea they are annoying .. .but don't you think you are being a tad bit dramatic here?
    QFT ... ya they are a tad annoying but like others said ... it is a ding and gone in like 2 seconds. That and I always enjoy spamming them back when I have the time ... not that I belive they actually get the tells all the time but it allows me to be .... lets just say creative.

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    Default to stop the spam tells ...

    delete your chat windows
    only use voice to communicate with groups

    for a "real" role-playing experience, you would not communicate via text
    (at least I never do when I am playing PnP D&D)

    problem solved

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    Default plat spammers

    All I want to know is how does a plat spammer give this level of info.
    Tell): [spammer] tells you, 'Stable supply of ALL US&EU servers as low as $0.049/K. Instant delivery!No hack,! High-qualified epic items on ALL servers only at [url] 24/7 [#] MSN: [email] AIM: [email]


    and turbine is not able to stop them? they are giving thier phone number even!
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    pssst take out the specifics like email addresses and websites lest the cube come through here
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    They could put their home address and there is nothing Turbine can do to them.

    Best we can hope for is Turbine blocking their tells.
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