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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal_gourmet View Post
    Seriously, I've never understood what the big deal about plat farmers is. Whatever.
    Agreed, why do ppl get so worked up about plat farmers. So you get a text message advertising their service. SO WHAT!!! In life you get 10ish e-mails a day, countless mailers, flyers, and you cannot listen to the radio or watch TV without getting advertising. Again, SO WHAT!!! Such is life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtmouse3 View Post
    In this world economy I would love to be able to have a job playing a game, making 5-10 times more than if I was working in a dirty, dangerous factory job. A factory that has chemicals, cancer-causing agents, and any other number of dangerous elements that arent regulated by a government laws.

    I can't blame him for his decision, but I can blame anyone who buys his services.

    Just dont spend real life $$$ on plat!
    I sympathize with your opinion on that but in reality the people playing are making considerably less than the factory workers. The people making the money are the owners of the cyber sweat shops.
    The difference is that the people "WANT" to do that because its getting paid to play.
    So in my opinion I am still against them as they bread a society that is dumbed down and ruled by the overpowering task masters who are making money off of someone elses unique intellectual property.
    If I make a game, I want to make money off of it, not some loser over in a foreign country who did nothing other than be born.
    I dont get angry at the worker I get angrey at the owners who exploit the situation and steal turbines hard work.

    I do however believe the next step in MMORPG's is a game that you can legitimately make money off of and be a part of full time. Second life is not this by a longshot.
    My point is that the workers are not who need to get ticked at. Its the people ordering them around.

    Plus it really takes away the real feel of DDO when I get a spam tell "You want buy 10K plat. Cheap, you want?"
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    Actually my take on this is that apparently Turbine doesn't block China as much as some people claim that they do. Now as we don't know the region this farmer is from, we can't say for fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuesu View Post
    Agreed, why do ppl get so worked up about plat farmers. So you get a text message advertising their service. SO WHAT!!! In life you get 10ish e-mails a day, countless mailers, flyers, and you cannot listen to the radio or watch TV without getting advertising. Again, SO WHAT!!! Such is life.
    Selling plat for cash is against the TOS, so in a sense it is selling something "illegal".

    Do you, in life, get 10ish e-mails a day, countless mailers, flyers, and radio/TV advertising telling you to spend money for something illegal?

    Maybe e-mail gets borderline with all that @#$( spam, but not typically the other mediums. And e-mail is out of control with spam now, what with 95% of email on the internet being spam ... yeah we need DDO to get like that.

    If you receive a mailer, flyer or see a TV ad (not likely) which is offering to sell you crack would you not be inclined to turn it in to the police?

    Also these plat spammers are likely using some kind of script to blast tells/email out to everyone in the game. Do you not think that during these "blasts" that it might affect lag for everyone in the game to be dealing with all of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quanefel View Post
    You are aware that there are more jobs in this world than just "dirty, dangerous factory jobs", right?
    In China? Are you kidding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccheath776 View Post
    Plus it really takes away the real feel of DDO when I get a spam tell "You want buy 10K plat. Cheap, you want?"
    Especially when trying to RP in a dungeon with some fellow gamers in-character.

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    you do relize that the only reason they exist is because people give them money... perhaps if Turbine instead of fighting them by canceling their accounts would just track them and cancel the accounts of anybody that purchases from them they would have a lot more success. After all for a gold farmer it's easy just to purchase another account but with bobby who's mom paid for 10k in plat who now has to go purchase another register key to continue to play and has to start all over they may think twice about using the gold farmer's service next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtmouse3 View Post
    In this world economy I would love to be able to have a job playing a game, making 5-10 times more than if I was working in a dirty, dangerous factory job.
    You know for a fact plat farmers make 5-10 times what they can make in a factory job?

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    Of course if the devs and gm really want to end plat farmers in the game they do more then just ban the trail account after their reported. They just need to take the method police use in busting drug dealers. Simple they need to start a small sting op. Where they go to these site and buy maybe 5 or 6 dollars of gold, not a whole lot but a minium buy. Wont be enough to break their bank but enough to find out the bank mules the plat farmers are useing.

    Goes like this
    Turbine order plats on toon a
    Plat farmers call turbine and set the met point to delevier the goods,
    Plat farmers transfer items from bank mule a to turbine toon a
    turbine then pulls up the record on bank mule A and records which toon are sending him money. Probally haggle toon A
    Turbine then watchs haggle toon A and see that Farmer Toon A,B,C,D are sending him gear to sell.
    then turbine bans not only bank mule A but all those accounts that are sending money to bank mule A
    So for 5 or 6 dollars and some time and effort. turbine can hit the plat farmers hard and in their supply chain.
    End result the plat sites lose a account with a haggle toon, and a few level 16 toon use to farm the loot to sell. More then likey i bet turbine could get atleast four or six plat farmer account this way.

    They could even go so far as to watch what other account the farm toon group with, and their isp. thus blocking the isp the farmers are using in china. india or where ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccheath776 View Post
    ...task masters who are making money off of someone elses unique intellectual property. If I make a game, I want to make money off of it, not some loser over in a foreign country who did nothing other than be born. I dont get angry at the worker I get angrey at the owners who exploit the situation and steal turbines hard work...
    Let me play the devil's advocate here for a moment, because this kind of comment offends my sense of reason. Regardless of what you think about the morality of enhancing your experience in a game by investing real world resources, the people who provide that service are not stealing from the game's creator. That's like saying auto parts stores or mechanics are stealing from car manufacturers by providing a related service, the market for which springs from the manufacturer's product.

    If you want to take issue with the impact on the economy, or the unfair advantage that people can gain, then be my guest. If you want to address the idea that spending real money for in game resources actually leads to less fun, go for it. Claiming that the farmers didn't work for, or are simply not entitled to the fruits of their labour because their market is based on another company's product however is unrealistic at best. Ultimately, the problem with gold selling is like the problem with porn - a moral and social issue, not a question of ownership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
    You know for a fact plat farmers make 5-10 times what they can make in a factory job?
    I don't know. But it did spur a thought ... goto the most spammed in game web site and you will see the going rate for plat delivery is $6 to $251 (apparently prices do vary by server). Obviously someone must be buying to set the prices, without any analysis it looks like the median price would be approximately $50.

    Just 10 sales per hour during peak hours could bring several thousand dollars a day. I would guess that might be lucrative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tmdag4 View Post
    I don't know. But it did spur a thought ... goto the most spammed in game web site and you will see the going rate for plat delivery is $6 to $251 (apparently prices do vary by server). Obviously someone must be buying to set the prices, without any analysis it looks like the median price would be approximately $50.

    Just 10 sales per hour during peak hours could bring several thousand dollars a day. I would guess that might be lucrative.
    For someone, yes, but most likely not for the poor slob running WW for the 12th time that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
    For someone, yes, but most likely not for the poor slob running WW for the 12th time that day.
    You might as well complain that implementing a feature in DDO is only lucrative for Turbine's investors, and not for the artist, coder, or designer doing the implementation. That's just the way a business works. If the employees don't like the pay, they can explore other opportunities.
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    Default I understand your idea not sure if it is practical

    Turbine would then be spending money to track them down and the plat farmers would simply do what they already do, open new accounts. Additionally, the plat farmers are not completely stupid, they would probably be more diligent in trying to weed out the "undercover" buyers.

    Quote Originally Posted by JD2134 View Post
    Of course if the devs and gm really want to end plat farmers in the game they do more then just ban the trail account after their reported. They just need to take the method police use in busting drug dealers. Simple they need to start a small sting op. Where they go to these site and buy maybe 5 or 6 dollars of gold, not a whole lot but a minium buy. Wont be enough to break their bank but enough to find out the bank mules the plat farmers are useing.

    Goes like this
    Turbine order plats on toon a
    Plat farmers call turbine and set the met point to delevier the goods,
    Plat farmers transfer items from bank mule a to turbine toon a
    turbine then pulls up the record on bank mule A and records which toon are sending him money. Probally haggle toon A
    Turbine then watchs haggle toon A and see that Farmer Toon A,B,C,D are sending him gear to sell.
    then turbine bans not only bank mule A but all those accounts that are sending money to bank mule A
    So for 5 or 6 dollars and some time and effort. turbine can hit the plat farmers hard and in their supply chain.
    End result the plat sites lose a account with a haggle toon, and a few level 16 toon use to farm the loot to sell. More then likey i bet turbine could get atleast four or six plat farmer account this way.

    They could even go so far as to watch what other account the farm toon group with, and their isp. thus blocking the isp the farmers are using in china. india or where ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassCannon View Post
    Especially when trying to RP in a dungeon with some fellow gamers in-character.
    You should try RPing as a plat farmer. It's a blast. Mine is almost capped....




















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    Banning plat buying players = no more money from them as they probably won't open a new account
    Banning a plat farmer account = new account subscription to farm from = no change in revenue (assuming at least some are from non-trial accounts)

    Since this game isn't PVP heavy, plat farming doesn't bother me much or affect me at all. If the Devs make things harder because our gear is too good, it's the elite players (who probably aren't buying) that are the cause, not the casual player who is buying to keep up with them. The elite players don't need to buy plat because it's easy to make it hand over fist at higher levels. It's the casual player who wants to keep up with the elite player that will buy and they don't disrupt the game balance. I find that pathetic (and I'm a casual player), but it doesn't really affect me or how I play since they're not out ganking me due to their better equipment.

    Now, I do wish they'd ban the plat spammers more, but I'll survive that as well. I would also find it hilarious if the plat buying had that plat/item taken away from them as punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChainsawXIV View Post
    If the employees don't like the pay, they can explore other opportunities.
    I'm no expert on the economics of China, and I assume you aren't, either. Don't try to make your beliefs about how Western economies work (assuming for the moment that you're even correct about how they work) fit into China.

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    haha this thread is silly. You are acting like you just made first contact with Martians from outerspace.

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    I told myself I would ignore another Plat farmers are evil thread BUT.......

    1st off comparing plat farming to real world horrors like illegal drugs is offensive IMO. Too many lives have been lost and destroyed. NO need to go there.

    2nd there is no need for a sting operation they know who they are. Actually they know where they are, as plat spams are more than happy to tell you the name of their website. Simply they should shut it down. But I think it may be really time consuming and cost $$$. Funny how the boards are carefully watched. Try bending a forum rule and you'll get a warning. Plat farmers? Well there never seems to be a shortage. It's not a consipreacy theory it's just apathy on Turbines part.

    In the end it's not really a big deal. There will always be plat farmers as long as they can make $$$. The only solution would be for turbine to sell palt themselves at cheaper than plat farmer prices. Not recommend or encourage it but make available to those who really want it.

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    vigilante justice. Its like the old west or some uncivilised young nation.

    So you get mad you get a tell you can simply NOT READ!!! so you go and try and starve him and his family. GOT to love Americans!! God do they love screwing over others so they can be entertained!


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