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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunga View Post
    Man, if you can't cover the cost of scrolls for a reaver run and a shroud run every 3 days, then I'm missing something. I stopped asking for hand outs a long, long time ago.
    I ask for handouts on elite legit completion runs of shroud. Normal I would like to see a small donation but dont get perturbed when one is not available. Hard or elite though, time to pay the piper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogchair View Post
    I only break my cleric out now for groups where it is needed, ie reaver every 3 days and shroud runs where I get enough from the peeps I know to cover the 100 pack of scrolls, plus you tend to loot that much dough from the run anyhow.

    I think people forget, not everyone has the crew to run the runs that generate the plat that some of us do now. I know when I get low, I sell and item, farm some vale, obliterate some pop/tbf, etc... on my sorc, then moneymanage plat around to other toons. Not everyone has crew's/buds/guilds who can help them do it, show them how/where or even the skills to say, solo sorc run tbf.....Not everyone is that good, or good enough, or mebbe its confident enough. Yes, its easy to alot of us, but daunting to some.

    I'm thinking we might have to set-up a cleric appreciation day. A day where the cleric doesn't get paid per se, but we all buy a 100 pack of heal scrolls and give 5-10 to each cleric we run with. It will add up. Just an idea.

    Also, BAD clericing. Does not get paid. If you raise people due to you not healing correctly, no-one is in your debt. If your bio is downright extorting plat or the party gets nothing, then you get nothing. I don't pay upfront for anything from a cleric, UNLESS I know they can be effective.

    I'm seeing a trend of less than competent clerics who bio-extort parties for cash upfront, then heal like they are alt-tabbing between ddo and porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpasell View Post
    Who still uses 100 heal scrolls in the Shroud?

    As to PuGs:

    Probably the best way to fix it is to drop their stone in your pocket and move on until there is a shrine. Hard as it is to believe, I'm guilty of zerging sometimes though I try to let the cleric know not to bother healing me I'll do it in between battles. I find I zerg less after playing my cleric for a while, and more when not playing my cleric as much.
    I burned 140 scrolls and 3 majors on a legit elite run to completion the other day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Accelerando View Post
    I wanted to address this statement specifically. It must be said that alot of Ghallandans are ex-Fernians, and we as a server were always loot
    *****s. It was just a difference in social community on Fernia that somewhere along the line (I would say Mod 1) people stopped giving money, wands, etc to clerics because everyone was extremely rich and with a full load in screen of capped characters. I
    know that the economics of this game have changed due to the auction houses, the proliferation of scroll use etc, but it still rubs
    me the wrong way that clerics would ask or think they are owed for the resources they spend on a day to day basis.

    Keep in mind that if you are a healbot, you chose to be a healbot. If you don't want to spend money, visit Fred and become a BC. I personally spend a lot of money on my bard on heal scrolls and wands, but I would never expect nor would I ask for a return
    of resources. I know when I log in that it is going to cost me and I appreciate that. Really just hearing the one phrase "Thanks
    you really saved my a** there man." is worth all the plat in the world.

    There is also the matter of heal scroll abuse. Many people out there use heal scrolls where nothing more than a Cure Moderate or
    Cure Serious is really necessary. These spells are cheap in both plat cost and SP. Then again there is a guild mate of mine who
    uses heal scrolls on you when you ask for a lesser restoration. He plays two clerics, and has more plat then almost anyone I
    know. Why? He plays the market, effectively and intelligently, and has been doing so since its invention. So my final advice to
    clerics griping about cash? Use the AH, it is to your advantage and doesn't require points in haggle.

    P.S. Healers: Please don't heal me after battle unless I specifically ask... or beg as the case may be. I always carry pots and the
    majority of my characters can use wands. Unless I have run out due to some terrible oversight it is a sure bet that your resources
    are better used elsewhere.

    *edit - formatting
    Healing KaTet members when you are the PUG Cleric = hardest job in the game.

    I say this from experience.
    Last edited by Fiendish Cube; 04-16-2008 at 11:55 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asirin View Post
    I look at PuGs like this.

    If you are NOT a new player and you are always in DESPERATE need of a cleric at all times...then you are in desperate need of a REROLL and possibly a new attitude toward what other players roles are regarding you in the group

    That is all.
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    Maybe the solution is to not wait for monks and help new people through the lowbie and midbie levels.

    Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeLoric View Post
    nobody other than a dev can tell you this either way, but i have had the chest show up in beholder room just as often going bottom up than top down and ran pop several 100's of times

    I have not, I thought people were crazy way back when..... We started testing the theory, and forgetting the actuall numbers now, it spawned in the Beholder room about 2 times as often running top to bottom. There may be somoething to somethign about what somebody else said (Please don't say I referred to him ) That there's soem fancy method that some geniuses discovered........ Thinking logically, having the game roll a die each time you compelte a room makes sense... But it could be wrong, can only go by my, as well as many others experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowdenicus View Post
    Healing KaTet members when you are the PUG Cleric = hardest job in the game.

    I say this from experience.
    You wont have to worry about that in one of my groups. And I don't remember you in one of our Raids except possibly at the very begining, and we'll just keep it that way, k.
    Last edited by DesertBlue; 04-14-2008 at 02:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertBlue View Post
    You wont have to worry about that in one of my groups.
    I was in a PUG group with a member from KaTet tonight, and there were no problems whatsoever. And I was indeed the only cleric! <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vesuvia View Post
    1. I don't PUG.

    2. Carry a minimum of 100 remove poison, remove curse, remove fear, lesser restoration, remove disease and 400 CSW pots or reroll. If you can can use heal scrolls at all carry a minimum of 400 also.
    1. Maybe you should, pugging can be frustrating at times but its a good way to meet new people and make new friends.

    2. If you need anywhere near these amounts of resources for any gaming session maybe you need to reroll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowdenicus View Post
    Healing KaTet members when you are the PUG Cleric = hardest job in the game.
    One minute people are begging for recipes and tips on the new raid, the next they claim you are the hardest to heal in the game. My have times changed.
    For shame, for shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowdenicus View Post
    Healing KaTet members when you are the PUG Cleric = hardest job in the game.

    I say this from experience.
    I dunno that that necessarily applies to just PUG clerics J/k- I like being kept on my toes, it keeps things fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevthial View Post
    Let me start by saying I used to PUG alot. However, in the past 10 months I would say I have been on less than a dozen runs with PUGS.
    I am out of touch so to speak. My wife still does the occasional PUG when I am away with work. She is a good sport and doesn't have any complaints usually , even if things went horrible. I have been reading more and more negative things on here about players not being prepared with even a modest amount of healing/disease/poison/remove curse potions. Are players being more of a burden now ? Our server used to be known for folks being self sufficient , team players , and generally working together. Is it still this way? Am I partially to blame for not running PUGs and mentoring others? Are we all to blame? Or, is it just a new trend ?

    Thoughts, observations , ideas ? Thanks for your replies.

    Costs of an adventure are seriously high now. Not to mention item repair. I don't know how everyone gets all this money, but I'm lucky if I can keep 1k plat. That being said, I belive that to be one of the main reasons.
    Then agian, I've been absent the last 4 or so months so I could be totally off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowdenicus View Post
    I burned 140 scrolls and 3 majors on a legit elite run to completion the other day.
    Was that the run that you were able to raise me in part 4? That was awesome. Lag spike FTW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowdenicus View Post
    I burned 140 scrolls and 3 majors on a legit elite run to completion the other day.

    Hmm, nice actually...... I haven't even fathomed doing an elite shroud since the first one I completed. Maybe soon.... Just because it's there... And to keep this post on topic it was acutally a PUG that we compelted it with

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mearlin View Post
    Costs of an adventure are seriously high now. Not to mention item repair. I don't know how everyone gets all this money, but I'm lucky if I can keep 1k plat. That being said, I belive that to be one of the main reasons.
    Then agian, I've been absent the last 4 or so months so I could be totally off.
    The trick to having lots of plat is to run lots of quests and do it well. Quite honestly my richest character is my cleric, but that wasn't always so. Just as with any character there was a learning curve and I burned through a lot of wands at the low- to mid-levels figuring out how to play him well.

    If you are running lots of quests and still find that you aren't making any money then by all means send me a PM. I'll gladly take you along for some loot runs and show you what I'm doing to make coin. I'm not nearly the loot-***** that I once was (well, maybe a little...) but I would be happy to impart any insight I've gained on how to run a cleric in PUG groups while we run around the country-side ridding it of evil baddies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertBlue View Post
    You wont have to worry about that in one of my groups. And I don't remember you in one of our Raids except possibly at the very begining, and we'll just keep it that way, k.
    Well Desert, obviously somebody did not see the smileys and realize that was humor......

    And I was in ALOT of the raids but whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_Ivory View Post
    One minute people are begging for recipes and tips on the new raid, the next they claim you are the hardest to heal in the game. My have times changed.
    For shame, for shame.
    Again it was a joke... the smileys darn it guys. The SMILEYS.

    (They mean joking you know, jeez)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deragoth View Post
    Was that the run that you were able to raise me in part 4? That was awesome. Lag spike FTW!
    Yup it was. I dont like to think of it as a lag spike. I like to think of it as my gods deemed you still useful for a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakia View Post
    I dunno that that necessarily applies to just PUG clerics J/k- I like being kept on my toes, it keeps things fun.
    Well at least one person in Katet understood I was just joking around.

    Good to see somebody has a sense of humor.
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