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    hello fellow pvpers

    i come from lhazaar and the guild damaged inc. we frequent the pvp arena and have noticed quite a few differences in the way pvp is conducted on the other two servers. id just like to suggest a way that i (and im sure a fair amount of others) would like the pvp arena to be utilized.


    respect your opponent. talking trash is not appreciated. be gracious in your wins as well as losses.

    keep out of other people's duels. when you see two other people fighting, do your best not to interfere. it is extremely irritating when you are dueling someone to have someone else hit or dispel you or your opponent.

    DO NOT DISPEL. this is just like winning a duel by kicking your opponent in the balls. sure you can win, but you did so by kicking someone in the balls. im sure everyone hates being dispelled, so it just works better if no one dispels at all.

    dont duel with buffs that you cant give yourself. ex. jumping into a melee fight with displacement and stoneskin that your caster friend gave you. its just not a legitimate win.

    attack only those that are ready for you to attack them. dont attack people who have their backs turned, are buffing, or are eating. best way to fight someone is to send them a tell asking if they would like to fight. this way they can be prepared and fight you at full strength

    dont have food regeneration active during a fight. heal yourself if you have a method like lay on hands etc if you gotta, but no food.

    lastly, apologize if you accidentally violate this etiquette. honor is much appreciated!




    im sure there will still be those who choose to dispel, attack those who arent looking, and interrupt duels. just know that this will draw a rather large target on your head.

    i look forward to dueling everyone
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    all those are minor slights. What is truly annoying is bard song + enervation scrolls, dance, etc

    or flesh to stone, then every debuff in the book after that, just letting those people sit there.
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    I rarely pvp, but it wouldn't be a PvP thread without someone saying:

    "Red = Dead!"

    now that we have that out of the way, nice list of guidelines. I wish you the best of luck with having everyone follow them.
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    And no hitting in the face either or pulling hair. Oh and can we not cast spells that require a will save, my fighter's will save isn't that high.

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    I hate to say it, but from my limited experience PvP in Ghall pre server merge was that anyone was fair game for anything.

    Myself, if I was PvPing, any tool I have at my disposal will be used to its fullest. Anything goes.

    HOWEVER, this is not to say that I didn't respect the people fighting. If I saw in general chat that X was dualing Y, no interference, I'd do my best to respect that. (fireballs aren't choosy afterall.)

    BTW, if they talk trash... Please nail them hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avien View Post

    DO NOT DISPEL. this is just like winning a duel by kicking your opponent in the balls. sure you can win, but you did so by kicking someone in the balls. im sure everyone hates being dispelled, so it just works better if no one dispels at all.

    I agree with all of your points except for this one. Dispel is one of the tools that is given to both clerics and arcane casters. I believe that any spell you have to cast is fair game.

    However, if it is a tank fighting another tank and one of them is using a dispel magic clicky or something, then I do not think that is acceptable.
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    I like the nasty bloodfest free-for-all that the Lobster Pit is. Why should 20 other people wait patiently for you to duel it out? Do you think you are that interesting we all want to sit and watch you?

    Anything that can be done in the arena is fair game. Is it annoying as hell to get nuked in back while melee'ing with someone? Yep. Is it annoying to be setup with your spec weapons or resist cloaks etc for one guy only to find yourself getting jacked by someone else entirely and getting your unprepared butt kicked? Hell yeah. Go to deathmatch if it bugs you.. Or go to House D or Phoenix PvP. But there is a reason for greater dispel, fascinate, etc it works. Dont cry because it works on you.

    BTW my pet peeve is when casters jump down long enough to throw their one nuke-of-choice in half a second and then immediately jump back up to the platform, usually while your back is turned fighting someone else....and the only thing I can do about it is leave...or wait patiently for my turn to pull the same dirty trick on him

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    other than individual dules which you should do in less populated pvp taverns anyway, tavern brawls are full out brawls, anything and anyone are game. qyb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justicar View Post
    I agree with all of your points except for this one. Dispel is one of the tools that is given to both clerics and arcane casters. I believe that any spell you have to cast is fair game.

    However, if it is a tank fighting another tank and one of them is using a dispel magic clicky or something, then I do not think that is acceptable.
    Paladins also get Dispel Magic as one of their spells. I don't see what the difference is between a Dispel clicky and the actual spell though. If they want to use a Dispel with a low DC just so they can use one, so be it.

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    amen to fireball not being choosy lol. When I am slugging it out with another caster, they fly everywhere. It is not unusual for 3-4 people to die as collateral during my 1on1 lol.
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    Its a brawl...anything goes.

    If its cheap... welcome to a barfight.

    If it ****es you off...welcome to a bar fight.

    If you want to dual without being interrupted...go to a less used tavern.

    If I jump into the pit alone and I get FtS then enervated beyond hope...I guess next time I will make sure I bring back up.

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    Rules=guidelines...restrictions in PvP?



    Quote Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

    Butch Cassidy: No, no, not yet. Not until me and Harvey get the rules straightened out.

    Harvey Logan: Rules? In a knife fight? No rules.
    [Butch immediately kicks Harvey in the groin]

    Butch Cassidy: Well, if there aint' going to be any rules, let's get the fight started. Someone count. 1,2,3 go.

    Sundance Kid: [quickly] 1,2,3, go.
    [Butch knocks Harvey out]
    I'm puzzled at the concept...if my cleric is walking by, expect some comets just cause she can

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    Just because thats the rules you'd like to see in practice doesn't mean it should be, nor that others want it to be. After all, if a tactic is annoying the **** out of your opponent, then its probably working, isn't it?

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    true, very true
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nataichal View Post
    Just because thats the rules you'd like to see in practice doesn't mean it should be, nor that others want it to be. After all, if a tactic is annoying the **** out of your opponent, then its probably working, isn't it?
    Thats it! Until/if/when turbine decides to revamp the PvP system everyone is stuck.

    Players should have the ability to 'host' PvP instances...limit it to say 10 per Inn, first come first serve. Password protect them...give the 'host' booting/banning power from 'their' little instance...no camping unless you do it in pairs and the inactivity timer could be set to 2 mins with a warning...that would keep peeps from griefing the situation EASILY.

    Want your fight to be private...thats how to do it. I would be more likely to use PvP more if a situation like that was setup.

    But if it were easy to alter PvP OR if turbine wanted to do it...we'd have some lvl filters built in already...nothing more fun than having some 10th lvl pally slaughtering some group of 2nd and 3rd lvls in the lobster. Thats the guy that should get comet fell everytime he sets foot in PvP until the end of time!

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    Default something that i find annoying

    I hate when fighters or barbs say "well if it wasn't for your loh i would of owned you" IM like dude your a fighter or barb with atleast anywhere from 6-14 points of strength more than me, your a tactical fighter and if your tactics fail on you then thats the way it is....... don't hate cuz you dont have enough hp or w/e to beat a pally remember barbs can have up to 600 points but average about 230-320 while i got about 220. Im a pally with 60 ac buffed, and got about a 36+(buffed) to hit with 33 fort save, 28 reflex, and 26 will save thats what pallies are all about. Now same thing with stat damage weapons if i dont have a greater bane weapon i use weekening of enfeebling i mean how would a pally not want to use this method with 60 ac and your lowering a tanks + to hit making it harder to the point where they have to roll a 20 to hit. thats just smart not being a scared or anything. SO stop the hatting!!!!!!

    also accepting challenges in pvp for any tank.

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    I only have 63 AC ...... but thats not my point. My paladin Kyuu can kick ass, but if I use a stat damage weapon, or as Zolt juss said "Oh, I woulda beaten you if you didnt use LoH" or "Ur a *****, because you cant beat me w/o lowering my str" or sum other BS like that. It's PvP, you can use any weapon, any bane, the spells they allow you to use, and other things like that. I mean, its like saying a ranger cant use Multi shot with a gr bane bow, or a Wounding of Puncturing bow! I mean, it may feel cheat, but why dont you roll one of your own, then see how it is? You'd never feel that it was cheat ever again. BUT, while on this subject, it isnt nice to use dispel, especially if they cant dispel you back. Try to make it honorable, instead of the Drunken Bar Brawl it really is
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    Is it cheap to use dispel? Sure, why not. But it's also cheap to use 3000 buffs in the first place. So who cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgoth the Enemy View Post
    Is it cheap to use dispel? Sure, why not. But it's also cheap to use 3000 buffs in the first place. So who cares?
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    Also, Kingfish, love this part of your sig, bro:"Don't worry about the magic missile with your name on it, worry about the fireball addressed to 'occupant'."

    Mind if I use it?
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