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    EDIT: Initially I was pretty sure I wanted to go at least 18 ranger to get slaying arrows at 18, since I plan to TR this guy as soon as I hit 20. I then realized that no matter the splash, I won't get slaying arrows until level 20 (when I finally take 18 ranger), so it doesn't matter in the slightest. Also, since rangers get evasion at level 9, as Sogrin pointed out, I can use arti for rogue skills if I want. Either way, it really opens up the build. I'm not really interested in any of the Uzi or Monkcher builds, but while ranger just lends itself naturally to AA, bard might also be a good fit.

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    I'm planning to run through a quick ranger (or bard, or druid) life soon, and I'd love some unique ideas for a build.

    Wants

    • Arcane Archer with slaying arrows (preferably, but not necessarily, ranger)
    • Full trap skills and evasion (probably 2 rogue)
    • TWF w/rapiers for melee
    • Excellent AC
    • SELF-SUFFICIENT


    I've got full +3 tomes (+4 Wis), Rog/Pal/Brb/Wiz/Mnk/Sor/Ftr/Art past lives, and lots of handwraps, rapiers, staves, greataxes.

    It seems like a pretty straightforward 18 ranger/2 rogue build would fit the bill, but I'm curious to see what others come up with.
    Last edited by Sebastrd; 06-15-2013 at 01:52 PM.

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    Sebastrd; if your going 18 ranger, you dont need 2 rogue levels, as ranger already gives you evasion at level 9.

    you could also consider a 12 ranger/6monk/2(rogue or artificer) monkcher to get a ranger past life while having fun with both 10k stars and manyshot.. if you go aftificer and go half elf you can get rogue dilly for 3d6SA and go dark monk for another one (and shadow fade is just as good as AC)

    Something like this maybe

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    monkcher rgr past life+traps
    Level 25 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Male
    (6 Monk \ 12 Ranger \ 2 Artificer \ 5 Epic) 
    Hit Points: 373
    Spell Points: 643 
    BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
    Fortitude: 17
    Reflex: 16
    Will: 17
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
    Strength             15                    25
    Dexterity            13                    16
    Constitution         14                    18
    Intelligence         14                    17
    Wisdom               16                    20
    Charisma              9                    12
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
    +4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
    Balance               2                    11
    Bluff                -1                     6
    Concentration         2                     9
    Diplomacy            -1                     6
    Disable Device        6                    32
    Haggle               -1                     6
    Heal                  3                    10
    Hide                  1                    10
    Intimidate           -1                     6
    Jump                  2                    14
    Listen                3                    10
    Move Silently         1                    10
    Open Lock             5                    30
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair                2                     9
    Search                6                    32
    Spot                  7                    33
    Swim                  2                    12
    Tumble                2                    11
    Use Magic Device      3                    30
    
    Level 1 (Artificer)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    
    
    Level 2 (Ranger)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
    
    
    Level 3 (Ranger)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 4 (Monk)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
    
    
    Level 5 (Monk)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
    
    
    Level 6 (Ranger)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
    
    
    Level 7 (Ranger)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 8 (Ranger)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental
    
    
    Level 9 (Ranger)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    
    
    Level 10 (Monk)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
    
    
    Level 11 (Monk)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 12 (Monk)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Zen Archery
    
    
    Level 13 (Monk)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist
    
    
    Level 14 (Ranger)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 15 (Ranger)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 16 (Ranger)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 17 (Ranger)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    
    
    Level 18 (Ranger)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 19 (Ranger)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 20 (Artificer)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+3)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 21 (Artificer)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
    Skill: Move Silently (+2)
    Skill: Repair (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Swim (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+64231712)
    Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical
    
    
    Level 22 (Artificer)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Repair (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+64233392)
    
    
    Level 23 (Artificer)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Repair (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+64233404)
    
    
    Level 24 (Artificer)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Repair (+2)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
    
    
    Level 25 (Artificer)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Repair (+2)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
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    Default THF evasion fighter with full rogue skills

    I've been kicking around ideas on the character builder, and would like the perspective of some people more experienced with building/playing melees.

    Goals:
    Fighter past life feat when I reincarnate
    THF, because I have greensteel two-handers and don't want to grind out a set of TWF GS yet.
    Full rogue skills (traps, locks, and UMD), because I'm neurotic about that
    Evasion, because I'm addicted to it

    Playstyle:
    Overwhelmingly solo, mostly with a pocket healer.
    I don't insist on elites. Quite happy to solo hard, or even normal for faster runs when I get closer to level 16/17ish.
    Once I hit level 20, this toon will probably run shroud a bunch, and not much else until I reincarnate. If the new epic TR is out by then, I'll level to 28 using the path of least resistance, but I won't be doing or building for epic elites.

    36 point build
    Monk, ranger, and wizard past lives
    EDIT: +4 tome on everything

    So far I'm leaning mostly toward fighter 12 (kensei II)/rogue 7/barbarian 1, but am open to other builds as long as I get the listed goals. I'm also trying to figure out how much dexterity and intelligence I really need, and how much balance/jump I can get on top of rogue skills without cutting into my other stats too much. I haven't done much of anything with feats yet, but expect 12 fighter means I'll have plenty.

    Thanks for your input~~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sogrin View Post
    Sebastrd; if your going 18 ranger, you dont need 2 rogue levels, as ranger already gives you evasion at level 9.

    you could also consider a 12 ranger/6monk/2(rogue or artificer) monkcher to get a ranger past life while having fun with both 10k stars and manyshot.. if you go aftificer and go half elf you can get rogue dilly for 3d6SA and go dark monk for another one (and shadow fade is just as good as AC)
    That's a good point about the evasion, which opens up arti as a possibility. I'm really not interested in an Uzi or Monkcher build (probably because my last two lives have been flavor of the month builds). Sneak attack is really not that important to me, and I'd like to get some mileage out of all my rapiers and TWF gear that's been collecting dust since my pally life.

    Initial post updated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sogrin View Post
    Sebastrd; if your going 18 ranger, you dont need 2 rogue levels, as ranger already gives you evasion at level 9.

    you could also consider a 12 ranger/6monk/2(rogue or artificer) monkcher to get a ranger past life while having fun with both 10k stars and manyshot.. if you go aftificer and go half elf you can get rogue dilly for 3d6SA and go dark monk for another one (and shadow fade is just as good as AC)

    Something like this maybe...
    After educating myself a bit, I've come around. This build looks very close to what I'm looking for. I have two questions:


    1. I'd rather go with the pally dilettante for the saves bonus over the rogue SA. Is the rogue SA a matter of taste or strictly superior?
    2. I assume the build you posted is expected to use handwraps (of which I have plenty). However, I want to get some mileage out of my TWF twink gear that include three GS rapiers. Is that possible? It would save me the IC: bludgeoning feat, since two of the GS rapiers are minII, so I could take IC: Ranged earlier. I don't mind leaving a little DPS on the table, but if it's horribly inferior or just won't work with ki and centered requirements...


    Thanks for the build.

    Edit: How does this look?

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    Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Female
    (6 Monk \ 12 Ranger \ 2 Artificer) 
    Hit Points: 298
    Spell Points: 493 
    BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
    Fortitude: 18
    Reflex: 20
    Will: 19
    
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             15                    23
    Dexterity            14                    20
    Constitution         14                    17
    Intelligence         13                    17
    Wisdom               14                    20
    Charisma             13                    17
    
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 10
    +4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               2                     8
    Bluff                 1                     3
    Concentration         2                     8
    Diplomacy             1                     3
    Disable Device        5                    27
    Haggle                5                     7
    Heal                  2                     5
    Hide                  2                     7
    Intimidate            1                     3
    Jump                  2                     8
    Listen                2                     5
    Move Silently         2                     7
    Open Lock             6                    28
    Perform               n/a                   n/a
    Repair                1                     4
    Search                5                    27
    Spot                  2                     5
    Swim                  2                     6
    Tumble                n/a                   8
    Use Magic Device      5                    27
    
    Level 1 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Paladin
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    Enhancement: Human Versatility I
    Enhancement: Artificer Energy of Creation I
    
    
    
    
    Level 2 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    
    
    
    
    Level 3 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
    
    
    
    
    Level 4 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
    Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
    
    
    
    
    Level 5 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
    
    
    
    
    Level 6 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
    Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I
    Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I
    
    
    
    
    Level 7 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Ranger Devotion II
    
    
    
    
    Level 8 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
    
    
    
    
    Level 9 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
    Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
    
    
    
    
    Level 10 (Monk)
    Enhancement: Improved Jump I
    Enhancement: Improved Jump II
    Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
    Enhancement: Half-Elf Paladin Charisma I
    
    
    
    
    Level 11 (Monk)
    Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante II
    Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
    
    
    
    
    Level 12 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Stunning Fist
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery
    Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
    Enhancement: Adept of Wind
    Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
    
    
    
    
    Level 13 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
    
    
    
    
    Level 14 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
    Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
    
    
    
    
    Level 15 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante III
    
    
    
    
    Level 16 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Static Charge
    Enhancement: Ranger Devotion III
    
    
    
    
    Level 17 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
    
    
    
    
    Level 18 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
    
    
    
    
    Level 19 (Ranger)
    Enhancement: Ranger Devotion IV
    
    
    
    
    Level 20 (Artificer)
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
    Enhancement: Void Strike I
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
    Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence I
    Last edited by Sebastrd; 06-20-2013 at 08:52 PM.

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    Hey, I've been researching a few builds I want to make, and am pretty much a noob when it comes to ddo.
    So I figured this would be the best place to start since I couldn't find very many solid answers through google.

    I've been in ddo for 4 years (3 of them inactive) and Have access to 32pt build, lvl 4 vet status, drow, half-orc, half-elf, druid, and about 98% of the adventure packs, but I've never gotten past lvl 10. So basically I need a build that will be fun, but easy to maintain to go from lvl 4 all the way to lvl 20-25. Since I just got menace of the underdark, and a bunch of account upgrades I'd like to make a toon I can enjoy it on.

    The toons I've used the most were all battle cleric builds that I somehow messed up in the long run.
    So a nice battle cleric, than can handle agro, preferably twf (dwarven axes I love) would be a build I'd need help with. But my battlecleric does have to be able to buff and heal effectively, and carry enough sp to throw out a few offensive spells when I desire.
    Also thinking about starting a Barbarian half-orc to make my main toon (to get to lvl 20 asap)
    I'm open to cross classing, choosing something other than barb/cleric, etc. Just mainly need a fun, and easy toon that I know can hold up at lvl 20+ and get me there as quick as possible, and hopefully as simply planned as possible.

    So simply said, I need the best/easiest half-orc barb build you can give me. And it'd be just as awesome if you gave me some direction on how to handle my battle-cleric obsession.
    Also if you just have a build in mind that would be good for me, don't be afraid to tell me it too

    Thank you in advance for any effort you put into this, This is a great service for us people who don't have the experience to think these epic builds up on our own

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    Hello. I have played DDO on and off over the last while. (2-3 years I think?) I don't really know much about putting a Char together in DDO though I have been trying. I was hoping to make a Drow/Warforged Acid Sav pure Sorc (Unless splashing something is really seen as needed) with Ice or Force as secondary. I have 32pt all the classes other then favored soul, no tombs, and vet lvl 4. I don't really know how to go about doing this very well and was wondering if I could get some help in this? Sorry if I'm bothering anyone with this kinda question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastrd View Post
    I'd rather go with the pally dilettante for the saves bonus over the rogue SA. Is the rogue SA a matter of taste or strictly superior?
    Rogue is better DPS (3d6) which stacks w/Ninja I 1d6 SA and would let you dump-stat CHA; pally would be higher saves, obviously, but you have to put 5 pts into CHA (no more dilly-swapping after tomes) and the bonus caps at +5 (CHA 20), which is disappointing, IMHO.
    I assume the build you posted is expected to use handwraps (of which I have plenty). However, I want to get some mileage out of my TWF twink gear that include three GS rapiers. Is that possible?

    Possible, sure - advisable, not so much. Switching to rapiers would uncenter you; apart from losing stances etc., you bleed off ki like a stuck pig. Since half the point of meleeing on a monkcher is to build up ki to power 10K Stars, this is what we call "less than ideal." You could use short swords instead; you remain centered while using them as Ninja. Another possibility would be to backload your monk lvls instead of rgr and use rapiers while leveling, then switch to wraps after you add monk.


    Two comments about your build:
    • Most monkchers go WIS-based in order to max out their 10K Stars proc chance; it also boosts Stunning Fist DC, ofc. The tradeoff is lower melee DPS than STR-based; so it's a question of priorities.
    • Rgr 12 doesn't get you much on an AA like this; +1 AC from Barkskin and +10 pts of energy protection. [This may change after the Enhancement overhaul, if we're allowed to combine elf/HE AA w/rgr DWS II; tbh I haven't paid much attention to the alpha.] Arty 3 would let you cast lvl 2 spells, namely Elemental Weapons for a little more DPS; as well as the next rank of Artificer Knowledge (Wands +1). So rgr 11 / art 3 is a slightly better combo, IMHO.


    See wowo's monkcher thread for more info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonlitSilver View Post
    Goals:
    Fighter past life feat when I reincarnate
    THF, because I have greensteel two-handers and don't want to grind out a set of TWF GS yet.
    Full rogue skills (traps, locks, and UMD), because I'm neurotic about that
    Evasion, because I'm addicted to it
    This one's a semi-oldie but (hopefully) goodie of mine: ftr 12 / rog 8.
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    Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Female
    (12 Fighter \ 8 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 340
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
    Fortitude: 14
    Reflex: 12
    Will: 5
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    26
    Dexterity            12                    14
    Constitution         18                    19
    Intelligence         12                    13
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma              6                     6
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 14
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 23
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               5                    10
    Bluff                -2                     0
    Concentration         4                     6
    Diplomacy            -2                     0
    Disable Device        5                    24
    Haggle                2                     2
    Heal                 -1                    -1
    Hide                  1                     2
    Intimidate           -2                     0
    Jump                  7                    12
    Listen               -1                    -1
    Move Silently         1                     2
    Open Lock             5                    13
    Perform              n/a                   n/a
    Repair                1                     1
    Search                5                    26
    Spot                  3                    20
    Swim                  3                     8
    Tumble                5                     6
    Use Magic Device      2                    21
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Haggle (+4)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 4 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 7 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Open Lock (+3)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
    Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
    Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    
    
    Level 10 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 13 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Open Lock (+3)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Trip
    
    
    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+6)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
    Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III
    Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
    Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
    Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery III
    Epic feats: Overwhelming Critical and epic Toughness (builder's a bit bugged when it comes to displaying epic levels)

    A few comments:
    • This is the 28-pt version. For 34 pts, I'd go max STR; for 36 pts, I'd put the extra 2 pts into DEX or INT.
    • I went dwarf for the extra CON & HPs, +5 to saves vs spells (Dwarven Spell Defense enhs), greataxe dmg bonuses, Tactics enhs. She can be adapted to any race, each with their pros & cons: i.e., HO would have higher DPS, human has extra feat & heal amp, etc.
    • I went rog 8 for W&S Mastery III and Imp Uncanny Dodge; both are nice survivability bonuses for epics, IMHO. But rog 7 / barb 1 would also work, if you'd rather have +10% run speed & +1 PA enh, particularly if you plan to TR again. Or lvl up with a barb splash then LR +1 to get rid of it @ 20 to switch to ftr 12 / rog 8.
    • Once all the DPS feats are taken, there's some wiggle room with what's left. I like using tactics feats, so I picked up Stunning Blow+CE+Imp Trip; and as a dwarf I figured I'd add epic Toughness to emphasize just how, well, tough she is.

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    Default Favored Soul Trapper

    I'm new to the multiclass side of DDO and am interested in building a Favored Soul trapper-- solo ready but good for group support at high levels. Sadly, I don't have the depth of experience I see in this forum, and know the experience here could provide a build that would provide a mix of healing and buffs, good fighting skill, and trapping that will come in handy during raids and epic quests.

    I have access to 32-point builds and vet level 7. Can any experienced players help with a build?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    This one's a semi-oldie but (hopefully) goodie of mine: ftr 12 / rog 8.
    Very nice, thanks for the build unbongwah! I'll probably adapt it a little for human, and go with the rog7/barb1 variant. Much thanks.
    Furthermore, I believe that the bugs and lag must be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Rogue is better DPS (3d6) which stacks w/Ninja I 1d6 SA and would let you dump-stat CHA; pally would be higher saves, obviously, but you have to put 5 pts into CHA (no more dilly-swapping after tomes) and the bonus caps at +5 (CHA 20), which is disappointing, IMHO.

    Possible, sure - advisable, not so much. Switching to rapiers would uncenter you; apart from losing stances etc., you bleed off ki like a stuck pig. Since half the point of meleeing on a monkcher is to build up ki to power 10K Stars, this is what we call "less than ideal." You could use short swords instead; you remain centered while using them as Ninja. Another possibility would be to backload your monk lvls instead of rgr and use rapiers while leveling, then switch to wraps after you add monk.
    That's what I figured, but I was hoping to be wrong. Unfortunately, TWF just sucks right now. Ranged isn't great either outside of a few special cases. There's really no place for ranger except as a splash for the feats.

    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Two comments about your build:
    • Most monkchers go WIS-based in order to max out their 10K Stars proc chance; it also boosts Stunning Fist DC, ofc. The tradeoff is lower melee DPS than STR-based; so it's a question of priorities.
    Something to consider, definitely.


    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post


    • Rgr 12 doesn't get you much on an AA like this; +1 AC from Barkskin and +10 pts of energy protection. [This may change after the Enhancement overhaul, if we're allowed to combine elf/HE AA w/rgr DWS II; tbh I haven't paid much attention to the alpha.] Arty 3 would let you cast lvl 2 spells, namely Elemental Weapons for a little more DPS; as well as the next rank of Artificer Knowledge (Wands +1). So rgr 11 / art 3 is a slightly better combo, IMHO.
    Ranger 12 is also +1 will save and an extra 3rd level spell. In the grand scheme I don't think it matters much. Elemental weapons is nice, but the low duration means I'll have to recast it constantly and by the time I take arty 3 I'll most likely be ready to TR again.

    Either way, it doesn't look like the ranger I want is really in the cards. I have some XP pots I want to use up and figured I'd use them on one of the weaker class lives I have left (bard or ranger). I also have FvS, Clr, and Druid to go, but I have a feeling I'll enjoy those and be in no hurry. Any suggestions for a solo-capable Trapsinger build?

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    Something like this?

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    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02
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    Level 20 Neutral Good Half-Elf Female
    (2 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 16 Bard) 
    Hit Points: 270
    Spell Points: 955 
    BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
    Fortitude: 13
    Reflex: 16
    Will: 13
    
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             14                    19
    Dexterity            10                    13
    Constitution         14                    17
    Intelligence         14                    17
    Wisdom                8                    12
    Charisma             18                    30
    
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 10
    +4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               4                     5
    Bluff                 7                    13
    Concentration         2                     9
    Diplomacy             8                    14
    Disable Device        6                    27
    Haggle                8                    26
    Heal                 -1                     1
    Hide                  0                     1
    Intimidate            8                    14
    Jump                  6                     8
    Listen               -1                     1
    Move Silently         0                     1
    Open Lock             4                    24
    Perform               n/a                  33
    Repair                2                     4
    Search                6                    27
    Spot                 -1                     1
    Swim                  2                     4
    Tumble                1                     2
    Use Magic Device      8                    38
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Paladin
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    Enhancement: Human Versatility I
    
    
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
    
    
    
    
    Level 3 (Bard)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
    Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
    Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    
    
    
    
    Level 4 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
    
    
    
    
    Level 5 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I
    
    
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
    Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
    
    
    
    
    Level 7 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante I
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
    Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
    
    
    
    
    Level 8 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song I
    Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
    
    
    
    
    Level 9 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
    
    
    
    
    Level 10 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger I
    Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
    
    
    
    
    Level 11 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante II
    Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
    Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
    
    
    
    
    Level 12 (Bard)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    
    
    Level 13 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
    Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song II
    Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    
    
    
    
    Level 14 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV
    
    
    
    
    Level 15 (Bard)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    
    
    Level 16 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger II
    Enhancement: Bard Charisma III
    
    
    
    
    Level 17 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante III
    
    
    
    
    Level 18 (Bard)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Critical
    Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song III
    
    
    
    
    Level 19 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song III
    
    
    
    
    Level 20 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
    Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II
    Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III
    Haggle could be concentration, I suppose. The feats are based around eventually swinging a Mad Lute for melee, but they could be reworked. I could always take slashing early for greataxes, then swap later. I wouldn't mind fitting in Extend. Going for max spell pen would require a lot of sacrifices, and I don't know how much I intend to play this build past 20 if at all, so Eveningstar and its spell resistant drow aren't much of a concern.

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    ok. i been playing around trying to find a good build for a half-orc monk/pally. not sure if it is very doable but I just seem not to be able to actually get it to work very well. main reason I am working on this build is because i was doing some research and it looks like a mmonk would actually benefit from some of the pallys buffs and also form their aura. so far i have only gotten up to about level 9 total monk6/pally3 and i am starting to have some problems. if anyone can actually help me out with designing this i would appreciate it. (TWF with either handwarps or longsword/shortswords as ki weapons)

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    Hello,

    In some other thread someone recomended me to start (a 32pt buid, first life, no fancy gear) with a shiradi build... but what would one be like?

    Couldnt find one using forum search!

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dartmien View Post
    In some other thread someone recomended me to start (a 32pt buid, first life, no fancy gear) with a shiradi build... but what would one be like?
    If you're talking about this thread, there's a link to this build in it. Bear in mind, though, that while the build is technically a first-lifer w/out special gear, it'll take you quite a while to get your ED + Twists in order; until then you're "just" an ordinary WF sorc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    If you're talking about this thread, there's a link to this build in it. Bear in mind, though, that while the build is technically a first-lifer w/out special gear, it'll take you quite a while to get your ED + Twists in order; until then you're "just" an ordinary WF sorc.
    duplicated thread?

    https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5030426

    anyway, thankyou for pointing that out

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishtara View Post
    so far i have only gotten up to about level 9 total monk6/pally3 and i am starting to have some problems. if anyone can actually help me out with designing this i would appreciate it. (TWF with either handwarps or longsword/shortswords as ki weapons)
    When Ninja first came out, there were some monk 6 / pal 14 builds using short swords; Zeal + Wind II stance got you 15% doublestrike. Normally handwraps on a monk splash are better DPS, but some of the pally abilities (e.g., Divine Sacrifice, Smite Evil) work better w/swords; and a "Ninjadin" w/dual Celestias is probably pretty fun. Basic build would be: TWF x3, IC:Pierce,Power Atk, Dodge (Ninja pre-req), Toughness, with 5 feats left to spend; I'd definitely pick up the CL/GC/OC chain & go LD for ED. For stats: enough DEX for ITWF/GTWF, enough CHA for Divine Might II, decent CON, rest into STR.

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    Uses, in some way, the Druid past life feat (flaming scimitars). I don't really want to play another monk, though.

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    Default R.O.G.U.E Oriented Build

    Hi I'm relatively new so I only have access to 28 point builds, however i'm motivated to start honing my sneaking skills XD. After I read the R.O.G.U.E forum thread I really wanted to explore how much is possible with stealth in the game. Especially with the new buffs to stealth.

    Can you give me a F2P build that can be used for a 28 point build and after I TR a 36 point?

    I do have the Delera Tomb quests as well as the Drow Race if that helps at all.

    No specific race, drow would be nice but not important if for example Halfling would be a better choice.

    Thank you for doing this ^_^!

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