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    Default Napkin from reaver is bugged

    me and another guild mate tested out the napkin(+6 int and +1 spell focus mastery) from the reaver raid in pvp. we tested it because a guildie who got it fealt like it was harder to land spells when he wore it.

    anyway the napkin is currently -1 to all ur spells dc's instead of +1.

    i bug reported the problem but figured id post the problem here for maybe others to test it for themselves and bring more attention to the problem. also to warn anyone who is currently using a napkin.
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    Default dammit

    i thought it was harder to land em, ill have to test myself when were back on, thanks for posting, war

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    rite on bud i tried searching on forums but didnt find anything .

    anyway even if i did see it i would have posted again(to bring more attention to it). this is a huge problem imo. there are people out there spending lots of time to get this item but its actually hurting there toons. this bug needs to be fixed asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maui_86 View Post
    then kept casting hold monster on me till we figured i had to roll a 5 or lower to fail my save. then he put the napkin on and then all of a sudden i could now save on a 6 or lower (making it easier for me to save and less likely for him to land spells, there for broken)
    Could you rewrite that sentence in a way that doesn't contradict itself? (Hint: there is no such thing as "save on a 6 or lower")

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    Methinks he has something backwards. Without the Napkin, he failed on a 5 or lower. With the Napkin on, he failed on a 6 or lower. Um, isn't that what it is supposed to do? The DC increasing by +1 would mean you would have to roll one higher to make your save.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpster View Post
    Could you rewrite that sentence in a way that doesn't contradict itself? (Hint: there is no such thing as "save on a 6 or lower")
    read it again please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpster View Post
    Could you rewrite that sentence in a way that doesn't contradict itself? (Hint: there is no such thing as "save on a 6 or lower")
    No, but you could re-read it so that you understand

    He was testing with a friend in a PvP arena. When his friend had the napkin off, he saved (as the target of his friend's spell in a PvP arena) on a 5 or lower.

    His friend then put the napkin on, theoretically raising the DC by one, such that he would fail on a 6 or lower. Instead, he failed on a 4 or lower. Hence, the bug.

    edit: BAH! You know what I meant!
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    Default well whats going on is it gonna get fixed

    as a stormreavers napkin user i am pretty ****ed to hear this news cause now i no longer have another +6 int item

    when is this gettnig fixed

    annoyed players want to know

    sammy or someone else from dev team please reply that you even know this problem exists or are the people who did the work to test it and everyone who didnt know you messed up gonna suffer from now on ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maui_86 View Post
    i had to roll a 5 or lower to fail my save. then he put the napkin on and then all of a sudden i could now save on a 6 or lower (making it easier for me to save and less likely for him to land spells, there for broken)
    Uh... You mean save on a 6 or higher? Doing its job.

    If you meant fail on a 4 or lower, then, yes, broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gol View Post
    No, but you could re-read it so that you understand

    He was testing with a friend in a PvP arena. When his friend had the napkin off, he saved (as the target of his friend's spell in a PvP arena) on a 5 or lower.

    His friend then put the napkin on, theoretically raising the DC by one, such that he would fail on a 4 or lower. Instead, he failed on a 6 or lower. Hence, the bug.
    Backwards, people, come on. Say the DC without the Napkin is 25, and he has a +20 Will save. That means he has to roll a 5 to save.( 5 + 20 = 25) Now the sorc puts on the Napkin, increasing the DC to 26. Now he has to roll a 6 to make the save.(6 + 20 = 26) In the first scenario, he has a 80% chance of success, but in the second, he only has a 75% chance of success(Success means making the save). Given the numbers, the Napkin is improving the sorc's DC.
    Last edited by Freeman; 07-02-2007 at 02:16 PM. Reason: Edited my percentages
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    whatever im to retartded and lazy to reword that so i just got rid of it.

    napkins broken turbine please fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maui_86 View Post
    whatever im to retartded and lazy to reword that so i just got rid of it.

    napkins broken turbine please fix it.
    Please, provide some screenshots.

    If without you're saving on 5+, and with you're saving on 6+, it's working as intended.
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    If there is a Problem withthe napkin (And My tests documented in the Linked THread showed No Issue) thenyou need to be more specific....

    Many people have tested and also said they foundno problem...

    WHat is the Exact Situation your seeing this issue?

    Character Casting the Spell(Class makup, Focus Feats)
    What Spell are you casting
    What are the Saving Throws of the Person you are testing on.
    Make sure all Variables are accounted for (No Paladins wandering inand out of the PVP Area while your testing for example)
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    im sorry i mis worded the saves so whatever all i remember was it was rolls of 5-6 sorry for wording it incorrectly but whatever. im not gonna go threw the trouble of screen shoting it. beleive me or not at ur own expence. i was just trying to give people a heads up but if ur just gonna nit pick at a wording issue then whatever i hope u use the napkin all the time.

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    If you want to prove it, post screenshots.

    Spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) without merit is as bad as the acronym sounds.

    If you can't post screenshots, then I'm afraid your fears are unfounded and baseless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maui_86 View Post
    im sorry i mis worded the saves so whatever all i remember was it was rolls of 5-6 sorry for wording it incorrectly but whatever. im not gonna go threw the trouble of screen shoting it. beleive me or not at ur own expence. i was just trying to give people a heads up but if ur just gonna nit pick at a wording issue then whatever i hope u use the napkin all the time.
    I posted definitive Results inthe other thread.. SOrry I didnt screen shot it.. But My Finding were that it is indeed working as intened... If you cant bother to provide proof of some sort then they are unfounded concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gol View Post
    No, but you could re-read it so that you understand
    I understand that he thinks there is a problem with the save DCs, and I can make a strong guess as to what he attempted to write. But since this is an issue of some contention, it would be useful if he could really write what he saw happen, instead of responding based on assumptions of what he meant to say.

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    oh and it doesnt really prove anything by me screen shoting my saves anyways cause it doesnt prove anything.

    screen shoting my saves cant prove anything cause u cant see what the casters items are who is casting on me. it would still be my word on whats going on.

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    It would be far more defenitive than "because I say so!"

    You're being awfully dodgy and defensive about it.
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