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    Turbine chose to cut down the paths into Prestige...

    Turbine chose to cut down the paths into Prestige classes to one base class. That's all I'm saying - PnP's paths into tempest, for example make for far more options (and change the play balance...
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    We're just going to have to disagree here. We've...

    We're just going to have to disagree here. We've presented our arguments in various threads before. My final word on the subject: if you built PrE properly, by making their requirements a combination...
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    Clearly this is wrong - just to name one example,...

    Clearly this is wrong - just to name one example, how can the One True Tempest ranger be equivalent to taking Tempest based on some or all of rogue, ranger, or fighter?



    In my edition it is...
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    What I am saying is that in PnP you can arrive at...

    What I am saying is that in PnP you can arrive at a given Prestige Class by a wide variety of routes, whereas in DDO only one route is available (current in level in the single class it is offered...
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    Well, I think my reading comprehension was OK. To...

    Well, I think my reading comprehension was OK. To me the money quote was this:

    What's a DM to do when the players give their PCs levels in one or more prestige classes as a matter of course?
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    Yikes. News to me, but there it is. That's a very...

    Yikes. News to me, but there it is. That's a very different read on prestige classes than I get from the DMG.. but I guess a weak GM could be talked into most anything by players.. who will happily...
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    bad thing because in the end it will unbalance...

    bad thing because in the end it will unbalance the game (like rapier-TWF-barbs now) and inevitably get nerfed, causing canceled subs.

    Can we back up and clarify PnP rules about Prestige classes?...
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    I did say "abomination" - do you know any...

    I did say "abomination" - do you know any attractive abominations? :)

    The problem is that sooner or later somebody will stack something -- alacrity and zeal, yadda yadda, and we'll have our next...
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    I put one example in the post. I'll add more as I...

    I put one example in the post. I'll add more as I think of them. Suffice to say, we are all doodling with:

    Tempest I/x II
    Tempest II/x I
    Warchanter/Tempest/etc.

    Chinese menu prestige combos.
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    The current system creates abominations. I...

    The current system creates abominations. I haven't run the numbers to see if there are feats/AP for this, but even thinking about a character that is Tempest I/Kensai I/Siberys I/Dwarven Defender x...
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    All of this really points out to me what a...

    All of this really points out to me what a mistake it was to tie our version of Prestige classes to specific class levels. If they had simply made it so you could have only one prestige line, with...
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