Anyway, yes there are good divines out there, more power to them. No, the best divines cannot put out the damage that equally good characters in other classes do, at least in the general sense. For every divine that's so uber that nobody else is needed, I find 20 that are average at best. For many of those, healing is by far the best benefit they bring to the party.
I thank every player who does something extraordinary. I also commend the group at large if the quest has gone well. I do not generally single out the "healer" for this (not over anyone else that does well), as I agree (and feel the same when playing a divine) that it can easily come across as condescending or even ironic.
I usualy just say "nice heals" at the end of a quest when I know there would have been a wipe without them. Other than that
I say "thanks everyone great job" because if I am in a group than it was a group effort.
I'm currently leveling up my first divine toon. I started a cleric to see if I liked it enough to TR my main into and I do enjoy it more
than I thought I would. Currently level 18 and I have been thanked for heals a handful of times and only twice has someone passed
me some pots, but I don't expect anything more than a "thanks for the run" because in the pug world thats about all you ever get
no matter what class you play.
I don't get the hate on "healers" I see in this thread tho. Some folks like killing stuff and some folks like healing stuff. Both can be
challenging. I've never seen that hate in game. Most parties are surprised and pleased that an actual "healer" joined their group. This means they can concentrate on DPS and not have to worry about keeping themselves up. I've been running into a lot of new players since the latest expansion and many of them don't realize the expectation that every toon is supposed to be built self sufficent, nor do they have the game knowledge to build for that.
For them, having a healer in the party can mean success and failure, and if they fail to often, we will lose a lot of the new blood
that keeps this game going.
Anyway, as a side note, my pally heals and raises lots of parties in supposedly BYOH quests and I've never been thanked for that.
Well I guess half the posts on here have verified my OP.
Everyone got defensive and bragged about their Epic UMD and self healing. How Clerics are not needed. How we forget all that heroic content at mid to lower levels where UMD is less.
It really was not about thanking everyone. The OP is about why players are getting out of the party healing business. In fact the game developers have had to compensate for it with ship buffs and Epic Destinies.
So you are telling me that your self healing for Heroic Elite and Epic Elite will get you through to completion?
The point was that melee's are not judged on their DPS output most of the time. Players are quick to criticize the party healer, and slow to appreciate the job well done.
Party healing mind feks many players. It is the same mind fek that hockey goaltenders deal with. Most hockey players know this and they are also on a team. It is practically tradition to individually go up to the goalie and acknowledge how tough the job is and the responsibility involved for team success.
I guess many kids are on these games because they are socially inept and these games also cause social ineptness. One would hope that it would be the other way around with the teamwork involved, but computers are inevitably a disconnect from personal relationships and lack emotional and social benefits of real life interaction between other people.
On the other hand, On my first life toons I unapologetic go into quests on normal if I am starting the group/quest, as that is what I can open, I may even over level it just to be safe, I pull up hires, I sometimes pull up gold seal hires and normal hires if that is what it takes. I have nothing to prove to anyone. I don't self heal and go into quests alone to stroke my ego, but out of necessity because that is what takes to be able to play a game without drama or waiting.
As others have said, the era of the 'healer' has passed, and that is for the best, now more needs to be done to help the melee classes be able to enjoy the game as equals to all other classes.
It depends on the situation but sometimes dps are just useless
As any other toon..
The only way to judge that is when you have 11 soulstones floating in the
Air and you start resurecting all those one by one having a huge group of monsters
in your back...and then the Guy you call
Dps is dead again and you raise him again and again..
Sometimes you have 3 or 5 of them tanking the dragon and they
Loose 300-400 hps one shot..you just watch the wizard next to you
And the dragon looses a huge amount in his red bar..
Then you throw the shiradi rock in it and red bar is done another
Good amount and you watch these 5 swinging at the beast and
The red bar is not even moving..
Yeah i love good dps but the real good one and when they really rock
I can congratulate it is not a problem to me
I got no thanks so many times using a bunch of elixirs and
Bringing back to Life them and i am not waiting for anything
But sometimes a thanks is nice
One of the best hockey plays I ever saw was the Boston Bruins goaltender pass the puck past 9 other players to the lone Offensive man standing at the blue line that preceded to go one on one with the other goaltender and score.
Others threads are talking about how self sufficient everyone can be now and Clerics/Divines should always be looking for opportunities to cast or melee.
+1 to those threads and posts
My main is a cleric and thanks are often given especially in raids. I think its comes from a time when groups of 10 would wait an hour or more for 2 healers to join.
Oh do try harder please!Quote:
So, be sure to let me know how the operation to remove your head from your ... goes won't ya.
The last time I needed one.
If I don't thank my wife from time to time, I figure I'll end up in the dog house, or she'll stop caring about DDO as much and not play it.
I prefer her both happy and playing the game.
Which probably wasn't that long ago actually.
..and I thank those who res me. (which can be any class btw)
Constant heals I do not need.
But I do need rescuing at times.
...and I do what I can to rescue others too.
which ironically tends to be what got me in the situation to need someone to rescue me! lol
I think my two catch phrases are:
"Well that didn't go as planned."
"So much for my daring rescue."
But my point is, I self heal. I don't need a dedicated healer.
and I thank people who help me.