- Leave as is. This sucks.
- Change the favored weapon for at least two of those categories (I really don't think our options should include multiples of the same weapons).
- Seriously expand the list of available domains, so that we gain more options without breaking from lore.
- Attach abilities/enhancements to the favored weapons that improve them enough that they feel on-par with more desired choices.
In the case of the last, that would be probably granting longswords either an expanded crit range (basically turning them into bigger damage die scimitars), or an increased multiplier (turning them into khopeshes without requiring a feat, which seems reasonable). For the bows, maybe grant some of the archery feats for free to alleviate the MAD issues a divine caster has when trying to effectively wield a bow.
- Arawai (neutral good deity of fertility, plant life and abundance. Domains: Good, Life, Plant and Weather): Morningstar.
- Aureon (lawful neutral deity of lore and magic. Domains: Knowledge, Law and Magic): Quarterstaff.
- Balinor (neutral deity of hunting and animal life. Domains: Air, Animal and Earth): Battleaxe.
- Boldrei (lawful good deity of community. Domains: Good, Law and Protection) Spear.
- Dol Arrah (lawful good deity of honorable combat, self-sacrifice and sunlight. Domains: Good, Law, Sun and War): Halberd.
- Dol Dorn (chaotic good deity of bodily strength and martial training. Domains: Chaos, Good, Strength and War): Longsword.
- Kol Korran (neutral deity of trade and money. Domains: Charm, Commerce and Travel): Mace.
- Olladra (neutral good deity of luck and plenty. Domains: Healing and Luck): Sickle.
- Onatar (neutral good deity of crafts, industry and fire. Domains are Artifice, Fire and Good): Warhammer.
The Sovereign Host also includes the Evil Deities of the Dark Six, but as DDO is not using evil alignments as player option lets leave them away. We use Domains, we could easily use above lore to arrive at following Domains from the Sovereign Host alone:
- Plants (Weather or Nature): Morningstar
- Magic: Quaterstaff
- Hunting: Battleaxe
- Protection: Spear
- War: Halberd
- Good: Longsword
- Travel: Mace
- Healing: Sickle
- Artifice: Warhammer
The only concession you might need to make (houserule) is find replacement weapons for Combat and Good as DDO does not have spears and halberds as actual weapons. It wouldn't be too much a stretch to use Greataxe instead of Halberd for Combat and, say, Greatsword for Spear.
Originally Posted by Beethoven
The Deity determines the weapon, not the domain... and that doesn't change the fact our characters worship the collective Sovereign Host not an individual deity. It would require a stupidly large amount of work to present a diety for every weapon or near every weapon ... and in the end it shouldn't be done. Clerics can melee, they're not supposed to be great at it however.
Besides, of the weapons listed.. only the Warhammer or Battle Axe are even on par with the Longsword. The sickle, mace, morningstar are strictly inferior. The Quarterstaff could go either way.
Additionally, this site has some interesting info on a bunch of other domains, I haven't looked at all of them yet, but maybe you can get a few ideas for domains in this game here:
Lord of Blades granting Greatsword
Silver flame granting Longbow
Sovereign Host granting Longsword
Undying Court granting Scimitar
and Finally Vulkoor (from the drow which seems un-listed so far on this topic, maybe for good reason, I'm not sure) which should grant Shortsword
no multiples, unless you count 2 characters from different races with the same faith, but those should be the same.
As for #3 and #4, id agree that more options always make this kind of selection a bit more enjoyable for the skilled player, and id imagine that you would get enhancements to improve the weapons skills, but probably not in the +crit or improved damage dice.
personally i call getting a free weapon proficiency a gift, since previously they got nothing, and more importantly they didn't get a free weapon proficiency in the PnP version, unless the domain explicitly gave it, which was rare.
Could they make this more exciting? sure. Would everyone love it if they did? id imagine most would. Is it necessary? i don't think so, some might, but i don't. from what i hear, most divines are considered relatively OP even without this implementation, some probably say they need the help. its all an opinion based on how they are built, and to each their own.
This isn't PnP where weapon selection means a lot less, a shield means more, and a selection of spells can make up for a divine caster's lack of feats and full-BAB to catch up to, and possibly even exceed, a fighter in combat.
The OPness of divines isn't going to get solved by limiting significant choices regarding their weapons. It will get solved by better balancing their spells, mana, mana regenerating capabilities (pots, Torc, etc...), and by improving monster AI to a degree that a single slow cleric running back and forth through a Blade Barrier can't wipe out a roomful of monsters.
Also, these selections are extending to paladins as well, who could really use a little breathing room on their feats.
Eppy Woot, go Team Turbine!
What if casting healing spells on tanks/dps that mob is trying to beat down generated threat? When you encounter a melee mob(that you can't one or two shot) being healed by two mob clerics what do you do? Try to out-dps the healing? Or ignore the melee mob and kill the clerics first?
What if intimidate shifted from being an absolute aggro grab for 6 seconds to being only a modifier applied to damage? But you can't just shield block and get aggro by hitting itim. You have to actually be causing some damage. What would you do if there was a mob with a big sack of HP that didn't attack much or do much damage in the same room with other mobs that were doing a lot of DPS? Pound on the sack of HP until the DPS mobs killed you? (Think. Lailat and the Stormreaver are in the same room. Which one do you focus on dropping first?)
What if defensive items (guards, fire shield hot/cold) actually subtracted from aggro rather than increasing it? Don't you generally avoid mobs that have these kind of attributes in favor of ones that don't, if you have the choice? Or cause them to switch to ranged tactics that will not proc the guard?
All of the above would make the mobs more challenging. That would mean we would have to focus on the quests and put effort into completing the quests (while possibly enjoying them) instead of just blindly zerging through and focusing on how much xp/min we are getting or how many runs we need to get the loot drop we want.
Intimidate is causing the monsters to view you as more of a threat than you actually are. That's reasonable, especially if you assume they are running around without looking at their HP all the time. The rest...yeah.
And I'll add: if monsters were to occasionally fall back to more easily defended positions, or do a better job of swapping between melee and ranged attacks.
Giving mobs a genuine artificial INTELLIGENCE vs their current artificial stupidity would be the single greatest boost to game quality I can imagine. Would love to see the look on a players face the first time a mob ran around the blade barrier to smack his divne self, or when the survivors of a fireball scatter instead of politely staying grouped up waiting for a second blast...
I think changes like this could go a long way towards restoring some balance between Meele & casters, as much of the caster's OPness (IMO) seems to come from mobs very artificial intelligence.
Also it makes it easy to lock mobs in a corner with diagonal firewalls,etc. players will always find a way around any AI set-up
So, random question on the actual topic of the thread, but why are the allowable faiths so severely restricted in DDO? I can understand having some faiths that are restricted to certain races, but why is it that almost every race only has 1 available deity option?
Humans, Dwarves, Halflings, Half-Orc, : Sovereign Host , Silver Flame
Elf, Half-Elf: Sovereign Host, Silver Flame, Undying Court
Drow: Sovereign Host, Silver Flame, Vulkoor
Warforged: Sovereign Host, Silver Flame, Lord of Blades