Did the designers forget how to implement classes' allowable weapons?
Sorry for my harsh opening, but it's true:
For my first test, I decided to click on the Rogue description. Dum de dum...what's this? They get the MARTIAL WEAPONRY feat?! No, they don't. They get more than one weapon, but not all of them. It's like the Bard...oh no.....
And what a shock, the same generic listing of the feat, which just links to the description of being able to use those weapons, and not listing EITHER CLASS' limited weapons allowed in this list.
Well, after sending off an inappropriate content, for the seocnd time, I decided to stop, and just post here.
FOR SHAME Turbine, that you use a "Wikki" system that fails to list a class' limited weapon selection. If you can't properly set this one up now, then the wizard now and the monk later also will suffer in what "allowable" weapons they use on such a layout.
Oh yeah, wizards don't get all SIMPLE weapons either.
What a freaking mess.
Any reason you ignored the ORIGINAL Wikki creator even if not working for you and published this inaccurate work?
WEll beta means we're way beyond ALPHA
And this is supposed to be for BUG not CONTENT testing.
Before being all "do you see what the word is under the chest," please understand the development between Alpha, Beta closed and Beta open public testing. Saying they only have a few things left suggests the're more in the "load testing" and are about to release the final product to use a MMORPG's game development cycle as an analogy.
So you go ahead and rethink on how a person is to reply please since I used to technically WRITE process. Having a glaring mistake like this with the ENGINE core as an error not simply a reassignable link or table is far far beyond an engine testing area fo open BETA. It's not simply I click and it doesn't work or some java isn't running.
It's in the engine design itself.
This isn't affecting one class, but several.
This isn't a wikki, but a semi editable wikki site with said wrong propriatary locked info on the error side.
So you may not like my harsh response, but this is what ALL USES are supposed to use outside of the rule book gotten with the original purchase. This replaced a MUCH more accurate guide constantly updated. And apparently the former had a much better QA department (sarcastic as we know the person and the few others who maintained the DDO Wikki.) I wasn't looking for mistakes even, just seeing what was added for L 14-16 on one or two classes I rarely use as pure on higher levels, and saw that messup before I even progressed to clicking that little 16 number tab thingie.
You don't do any new overhauls to update the stuck at L 10 compendium? Fine. At least it gave nuts and bolts for the creation info.
But to completely scrap it for something even more inaccurate on a basic class level is inexcusable. Making a mistake at L 16 is one thing. Making a mistake to potentially many tens or thousands of new players trying to understand how to create a class when they now rush past the DDO creation feat info screem, and see post creation that rogue doesn't have a longbow or longsword or the wizard doesn't have a mace and having to post in the forums (of which much less than 5% of the total resident population even use regularly or potentially even use period) about this is dumb.
So what, their user's forum reply should be the following?
"Oh X classes don't have that. It's just the same software used to make X Y and Z compendiums, and they couldn't add that witb the way the software itself was made, so they simply listed all simple/martial weapons until they figure out how to list it. No, you're not allowed to change that even though it's a wikki. It's not all content or no content until approved. It's post stuff and they'll monitor it but some stuff is not changable. You can leave a note about it below all that and go in and list the allowable and not allowable stuff....."
If I'm suposed to do that, let alone a newbie, I'd request I be paid for maintaining a technical wikki...or give it to our unofficial but ORIGINAL wikki site owner.
This is beyond entering something. This is fundamentally having to go and change a core engine mechanic directly affecting SEVERAL of the core class systems of which this problem does not link to all those classes to report this inaccuracy like when you read something in Wikkipedia and see it has NOT been verified yet.
Or could you tell me if you were newbie user that bards, wizards and rogues at first glance had the wrong weapon feats?
DDO is only like D&D when Turbine is able to follow the rules, and there is no indication in the wikki between when Turbine simply changes the rules or a core error is made.
I hate ignorance, but I hate inaccurate information more.
And I hate people telling me about my conduct in replying when they apparently give the written impression are not in the field or have done beta testing before.
But I will not demean your taste in the right of your response, just not say anything about your conduct and focus on the content as Turbine asked.
Your first sentence is interpred by me as condescending when you end up appearing being incorrect anyway at my read, and others may interpret it as such.
See the way I wrote that? Saying that when something is in alleged plain sight is taken as haughty and mocking, especially when the development version is way beyound what you try to interpret.
Now if Turbine uses a different release structure for their Alpha, closed beta and public open beta databases, by all means, they can reply to that on the boards of which they ASKED us to submit our feedback. If I'm wrong, I have no problem saying or writing that.
But I hate being detail oriented and seeing apparent glaring mistakes by any company or user.
That last above reply included.
Originally Posted by Trekna Qu'dane