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Killarny
03-14-2007, 09:35 PM
I have a level 10 halfling rogue, and for giggles tonight, I decided to check out where my total Hide skill was coming from. I removed ALL of my items, armor, and weapons, and have the following affecting my Hide:

+13 ranks
+6 from my 23 DEX
+3 "misc"
-------
22 total Hide

First of all, I am not getting the +4 size bonus to Hide that I should get as a Halfling.

Secondly, I can't determine where the +3 "misc" bonus is coming from. I have no other feats (except for the unapplied Halfling Size Bonus) that should affect my Hide skill. I have two enhancements which MAY be giving me a collective +2, but that still leaves another +1 that I can't figure out.

Thirdly, IF those two enhancements (Halfling Hiding I and Rogue Hide I which both give a +1 to Hide) are stacking to provide me with a +2, is that not wrong? From what I understand, bonuses from the same type of source don't stack, but take the higher bonus. Since these are both enhancement bonuses, shouldn't I only be receiving benefit from one of them?

As I see it, I should have the following:

+13 ranks
+6 from my 23 DEX
+4 size bonus
+1 enhancement bonus
-------
24 total Hide

Can anyone help me to understand this?

allhailyoda
03-14-2007, 10:17 PM
I had to log before I could test it properly but I think I also got an extra +1 to hide( and move silently i think) on my human rogue. I have the hide and ms 2 rogue enchancment lines.
(can I please get the extra points move to spot?)

eclipsechild
03-14-2007, 10:22 PM
I have a level 10 halfling rogue, and for giggles tonight, I decided to check out where my total Hide skill was coming from. I removed ALL of my items, armor, and weapons, and have the following affecting my Hide:

+13 ranks
+6 from my 23 DEX
+3 "misc"
-------
22 total Hide

First of all, I am not getting the +4 size bonus to Hide that I should get as a Halfling.

Secondly, I can't determine where the +3 "misc" bonus is coming from. I have no other feats (except for the unapplied Halfling Size Bonus) that should affect my Hide skill. I have two enhancements which MAY be giving me a collective +2, but that still leaves another +1 that I can't figure out.

Thirdly, IF those two enhancements (Halfling Hiding I and Rogue Hide I which both give a +1 to Hide) are stacking to provide me with a +2, is that not wrong? From what I understand, bonuses from the same type of source don't stack, but take the higher bonus. Since these are both enhancement bonuses, shouldn't I only be receiving benefit from one of them?

As I see it, I should have the following:

+13 ranks
+6 from my 23 DEX
+4 size bonus
+1 enhancement bonus
-------
24 total Hide

Can anyone help me to understand this?

You may need to check if you have an equipment (armor or shield) that is giving you an Armor Check Penalty. Seems to me the -2 difference may come from this.

Killarny
03-14-2007, 11:38 PM
You may need to check if you have an equipment (armor or shield) that is giving you an Armor Check Penalty. Seems to me the -2 difference may come from this.

I specifically removed ALL of my armor and equipment before gathering this data. I had nothing on whatsoever.

Killarny
03-15-2007, 01:53 AM
I removed all of my enhancements and looked at my numbers again without any armor or equipment on, and I still had a mystery +1. So it would appear to be confirmed that both Hide enhancements were stacking to give me a +2, and then the mystery +1 was added giving me a +3 misc bonus.

Now, what is the +1 for? It should be a +4 for my size, shouldn't it?

Protagoras
03-15-2007, 08:40 AM
I removed all of my enhancements and looked at my numbers again without any armor or equipment on, and I still had a mystery +1. So it would appear to be confirmed that both Hide enhancements were stacking to give me a +2, and then the mystery +1 was added giving me a +3 misc bonus.

Now, what is the +1 for? It should be a +4 for my size, shouldn't it?

I'm not sure the +4 for size has been implimented. Most of the 'size' issues were swept under the table. Light weapons are not done according to size and such the +1 to AC and BAB was hobbled in it seems.

Killarny
03-15-2007, 05:40 PM
I'm not sure the +4 for size has been implimented. Most of the 'size' issues were swept under the table. Light weapons are not done according to size and such the +1 to AC and BAB was hobbled in it seems.

You may be correct, but I have a fake feat called Halfling Size Bonus, and the description of it claims:


As small creatures, halflings receive a +1 size bonus to attack rolls and Armor Class, and a +4 bonus on Hide checks.

The +1 to attack rolls and AC is definately being applied, and I'm wondering if someone made a typo and applied a +1 to Hide as well, instead of the proper +4. This would explain what the mystery +1 is.

Can any other halfling rogues confirm this?

Killarny
03-24-2007, 04:54 PM
I take it that nobody else has noticed this?

amysrevenge
03-25-2007, 10:40 AM
I had not noticed this, but I'll check it out later.

Mike

Mackle
03-27-2007, 01:26 PM
I'm not sure the +4 for size has been implimented. Most of the 'size' issues were swept under the table. Light weapons are not done according to size and such the +1 to AC and BAB was hobbled in it seems.

I just rolled a halfling rogue to check this. The halfling size bonus IS being applied to hide (+4) and Move Silent (+2). I also checked, and both SF: Hide and the Halfling Hide enhancement do stack properly with this

I can only guess what you're seeing is either a display bug, or a true bug. There's no real way to test if it's the former, but if it's the latter; did you ever have the SF: Hide feat? Respeccing out of that may have wiped -6 from your hide skill (3 for the feat 3 by error) leaving you with +1. The other possibility I can think of is the enhancement wipe (3.3) possibly removing too many points (if you had either the rogue or halfling hide enhancements prior to the update). If you have Risia available, check your character there as well, as that could lead to some more information as to where it went.

Hawksen
08-07-2007, 03:01 PM
I dont know if this will help you but I had a similar problem with tumble - I was missing 2 or 3 points in it for no reason even though I removed everything I was wearing - come to find out it was because my encumbrance weight was not in the "light" category but in the "medium" - try putting everything in your inventory in the bank and be completely naked to see if this changes anything for you.

binnsr
08-08-2007, 04:21 PM
I just rolled a halfling rogue to check this. The halfling size bonus IS being applied to hide (+4) and Move Silent (+2).

So you're saying that the +2 Hide bonus from Halfling Agility and the +4 Hide bonus from Halfling Size Bonus (link (http://www.ddo.com/index.php?page_id=339&menus=r:rf&do=racialabilities&rf_id=4&cmi=3:4)) aren't stacking?

Impaqt
08-08-2007, 04:29 PM
I would be your Encumberacne is at Medium. (-3 Penalty) 1+3 =4

Tallyn
08-08-2007, 07:58 PM
I have a level 10 halfling rogue, and for giggles tonight, I decided to check out where my total Hide skill was coming from. I removed ALL of my items, armor, and weapons, and have the following affecting my Hide:

+13 ranks
+6 from my 23 DEX
+3 "misc"
-------
22 total Hide

First of all, I am not getting the +4 size bonus to Hide that I should get as a Halfling.

Secondly, I can't determine where the +3 "misc" bonus is coming from. I have no other feats (except for the unapplied Halfling Size Bonus) that should affect my Hide skill. I have two enhancements which MAY be giving me a collective +2, but that still leaves another +1 that I can't figure out.

Thirdly, IF those two enhancements (Halfling Hiding I and Rogue Hide I which both give a +1 to Hide) are stacking to provide me with a +2, is that not wrong? From what I understand, bonuses from the same type of source don't stack, but take the higher bonus. Since these are both enhancement bonuses, shouldn't I only be receiving benefit from one of them?

As I see it, I should have the following:

+13 ranks
+6 from my 23 DEX
+4 size bonus
+1 enhancement bonus
-------
24 total Hide

Can anyone help me to understand this?

Enhancements from the Action Point System DO stack IF one is from a racial enhancement and one is from a class enhancement.