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Vish
11-25-2017, 03:56 AM
Vishsoul of the moonbow
12/6/2 fvs ranger monk
Ln aasimar
Str 8
Dex 16
Con 14
Int 12
Wis 20 +7
Cha 8
+6 tomes
+2 complete

1 fvs PBS silver flame
2 fvs knowledge of battle
3 monk zen archery
Feat completionist
4 rng bow str undead
5 fvs
6 rng rapid shot twf
Feat empower heal
7 fvs
8 rng diehard
9 fvs quicken
10 rng precise shot
11 fvs
12 rng elementals
Feat ic ranged
13 fvs stout of heart
14 rng manyshot itwf
15 fvs imp precise shot
16 monk precision evasion
17-18 fvs sf enchant
19-20 fvs heal

21 oc
24 mof
26 sp pos
27 blinding speed
28 doubleshot
29 fount of life
30 Celestia
Gmof

Ap
36 aa
24 dws
8 Shintao
8 aasimar
4 war soul

Notes
This is a healer archer.
It will do less damage than an elf archer in aa capstone, but if you're using paralyzers, you're not doing damage...
So the idea is to be also good at healing. 12 fvs for heal, aasimar for loh. And cocoon, 3 spells to cycle.
You will still do good damage by tier5 aa and tier4 dws killer.
Plus it will be a max wisdom build, having max enchants, less greater sf enchant, which couldn't be fit in the list.
It is really an epic build, and would be difficult to level, as I've found. Having to mix fvs for wis conv takes levels and delays growth.
Capstone is Celestia, what I use for all my healers.
Just like the priest of the silver flame, this will be a paralyzer healer.
The idea was to build a better vish. I have been anticipating wisdom conversion, but they gave it to fvs. So the cleric has trickery domain and an aura, but only gets tier4 aa, and neither gets cores past 6. So no deep bonuses. But the fvs will get better damage off the wis and tier5, and tier4 dws killer. It's a trade off. And the cleric often stands back row, so aura not helping anyone. Tho there is versatility to go danger close and support melee. And both have supreme aa, so that is best defense. But whereas vish cleric runs heavy armor, the soul goes monk for evasion and high AC. So much better defenses on soul likely. Tho having an aura is best defense, but not in reaper.
They are both silver flame builds, so I don't have to change my guild name... I may tr vish into this build after I see how he fares in ravenloft...

slarden
12-04-2017, 01:48 PM
Nice Vish. I've been looking at a fvs archer myself and have been noodling on half elf 12 fvs / 6 monk / 2 fighter so I can get 10k stars with the max wisdom. I lose deepwood stalker entirely which is a tough sacrifice even for 10k stars.

Lots of good things to leverage in here.

Vish
12-04-2017, 04:22 PM
Nice Vish. I've been looking at a fvs archer myself and have been noodling on half elf 12 fvs / 6 monk / 2 fighter so I can get 10k stars with the max wisdom. I lose deepwood stalker entirely which is a tough sacrifice even for 10k stars.

Lots of good things to leverage in here.

You guys and your elfs
You know, I never played a elf or half...

Ya, this is mabe an alternative dream vish
You know I was playing with my monk,
Finding his max AC,
And it got me to thinking this build
Because vish in heavy armor only has 66ac.
Ya really bad, but truth is,
He harly ever draws aggro
So it's kinda moot point...
But I was thinking the vishsoul should have decent AC,
Kinda monk like, it from wis and center bonus
But I would dread leveling this build,
Tho it would mostly play as archer, with heals

As for 10k stars,
Secret there is dex build
From what I understand dps comes from dex, not wis...
And be sure take shuican expertise
I went 6 rgr for manyshot and tier5
Only need 2 monk for evasion, late in the build,
Not needing fists of light
And as for sustained dps
With tier4 corrosive, vish does like 100/shot
And he runs dc, so 50 rp doubleshot adds for burst
But mostly he just a cc archer,
And the dps doesn't really matter
But he fares well with cap and manyshot and rp boost
I mean for a non dps cleric
I'm happy anyways
So what I'm trying to say is,
Bow dps may be better burst and sustained,
Than what you get off 10k stars,
Idk haven't tries 2 items ranged before
Must be like hot swapping for melee,
A style I don't care for, but do play
So let me know how it turns out

slarden
12-04-2017, 06:31 PM
As for 10k stars,
Secret there is dex build
From what I understand dps comes from dex, not wis...

I am actually referring to a bow build. This is how 10k is worded now - it used to be different, but to me it's intriguing to have a bow build centered around wisdom for to hit and damage and 10k stars adds bonuses based on wisdom as well. Yes Shuri builds are dex based for sure. 10k stars probably shouldn't work with bows but does. That is another story.

http://ddowiki.com/images/Icon_Feat_Ten_Thousand_Stars.png
Ten Thousand Stars



Cost: 20 Ki (http://ddowiki.com/page/Ki)
Cooldown (http://ddowiki.com/page/Cooldown): 60 seconds
Usage: Active (http://ddowiki.com/page/Active_feat)
Prerequisite: Monk (http://ddowiki.com/page/Monk) 6, Dexterity (http://ddowiki.com/page/Dexterity) 13

Description

Activate this ability to enter a trance for 30 seconds (or until you become uncentered). Add your Wisdom (http://ddowiki.com/page/Wisdom) ability score to your Ranged Power (http://ddowiki.com/page/Ranged_Power) and add your monk level * 5 to your Doubleshot (http://ddowiki.com/page/Doubleshot).
Notes



This ability puts Manyshot (http://ddowiki.com/page/Manyshot) on a 30 second cooldown.
This ability no longer gives a Doubleshot penalty when activated.
A Monk (http://ddowiki.com/page/Monk) may select this feat as one of his martial arts feats (http://ddowiki.com/page/Martial_arts_feats).


I think your split is great - this is just what I've been trying to make work - not sure if it will ever leave the theorycrafting stage.

unbongwah
12-04-2017, 10:05 PM
Bit of background info: Ten Thousand Stars was changed in Update 12 (http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_12) six years ago to work with bows. Not coincidentally, it was the start of monkchers overshadowing regular AA rangers. When devs changed Manyshot and TTS's functionality to its current implementation with Update 28 (http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_28) two years ago, they kept its bow functionality. So whether it was a good idea is debatable, but it's definitely WAI.

slarden
12-04-2017, 10:40 PM
Bit of background info: Ten Thousand Stars was changed in Update 12 (http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_12) six years ago to work with bows. Not coincidentally, it was the start of monkchers overshadowing regular AA rangers. When devs changed Manyshot and TTS's functionality to its current implementation with Update 28 (http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_28) two years ago, they kept its bow functionality. So whether it was a good idea is debatable, but it's definitely WAI.

You have the answers for everything, thank you :)

unbongwah
12-05-2017, 09:10 AM
Sidebar: how do I know all this but not how to change the oil in my car? :p

cestvel
12-05-2017, 09:24 AM
I went Half-Elf 13/6/1 Fvs/Mnk/Rog Wisdom build.

Currently at level 13 and Trapping skills still topped up. Getting AA through Half-Elf.

Vish
12-05-2017, 10:21 AM
I think your split is great - this is just what I've been trying to make work - not sure if it will ever leave the theorycrafting stage.

So this build isn't built yet,
I can still swap precision for 10k at level 2 monk.
Wa fu?

It's just a burst right?
Say 74 wis is rp and 2 monk is lame for doubleshot...
But a boost.
And I said this wasn't a max dpser anyhow,
You could get just as good going pure ranger aasimar.
But you guys like elfs
And those cores are tasty,
But I'd stick to cc being primary...

unbongwah
12-05-2017, 10:23 AM
I can still swap precision for 10k at level 2 monk.
TTS requires monk lvl 6. Hence why every monkcher needs at least 6 monk lvls.

Vish
12-05-2017, 10:32 AM
Ya, just looked
Goes to show how little I play 10k
I got a grudge against shuris anyhow,
Don't consider them real monks
But anyhow

I'd go with my original though that dws with killer is good enough dps
It'd be good to go 6 monk, but not at cost of 6 ranger
But if you go elf you get cores but lose dws, and it's ap intensive
I'd not sink the necessary ap for aa in elf
Instead go aasimar, go 12 for heal, and be a healer
Because if you are designated,
You don't have time to dps
It's one or the either
Believe me I've tried to do both,
And ppls die

But ya it'd be better dps