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Draegnar
10-31-2016, 09:16 AM
Hi,

I'm trying to create a fun, casual and flexible specialists build to play with my wife and here is what I've come up with :



SB 10/6/4
10/6/4 Rogue/Bard/Fighter
True Neutral Purple Dragon Knight


Level Order

1. Fighter . . . . 6. Rogue . . . . .11. Fighter. . . . 16. Bard
2. Rogue. . . . . .7. Bard. . . . . .12. Rogue . . . . .17. Rogue
3. Bard. . . . . . 8. Rogue . . . . .13. Fighter. . . . 18. Rogue
4. Bard. . . . . . 9. Bard . . . . . 14. Rogue. . . . . 19. Rogue
5. Bard. . . . . .10. Rogue . . . . .15. Fighter. . . . 20. Rogue


Stats
. . . . . . . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . 10. . . . . . . . 4: INT
Dexterity . . . 14. . . .+2. . . .8: INT
Constitution. . 16. . . .+5. . . 12: INT
Intelligence. . 16. . . .+3. . . 16: INT
Wisdom. . . . . 10. . . .+2. . . 20: INT
Charisma. . . . 14. . . . . . . .


Skills
. . . . . F .R .B. B .B. R. B .R .B. R. F .R .F. R. F .B. R. R. R. R
. . . . . 1 .2 .3. 4 .5. 6. 7 .8 .9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Perform . . . . 6 .1. 1 . . 2 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . .7. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Disable . . .5 . . . . . 4. . .2 . . 2. . .2 . . 2. . . . 3. 1. 1. 1. 23
Open Lo . . .5 . . . . . 4. . .2 . . 2. . .2 . . 2. . . . 3. 1. 1. 1. 23
Search. . 2 .2 . . . . . 5. . .2 . . 2. . .2 . . 2. . . . 3. 1. 1. 1. 23
Spot. . . 2 . . . . . . . . . .8 . . 3. . .2 . . 2. . . . 2. 2. 1. 1. 23
Bluff . . 2 . . . .2. 4 . . 2 . . 2 .1 . . 2. . .2 . . . . . 4. 1. 1. 23
Balance . 2 . . . .5. 1 . . 2 . . 2 .1 . . 2. 1 .1 .1. . . . 3. 1. 1. 23
Move Si . 2 . . . . . 4 . . 2 . . 4 .1 . . 2. 1 .1 .1. . . . . .4 .1 .23
UMD . . . . . . 4 .3. 1 . . 2 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . .6. 2. 1. 1. 1. 23
Jump. . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . 4 . . 2 . . . . . . . . 18
Hide. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2 . . 1. ½ .3 .1½ . . . . .2 .6 .16
Tumble. . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .24 12 10 11 11 13 11 14 12 14 .8 15 .9 15 .9 13 15 15 15 16


Feats

.1. . . . : Single Weapon Fighting
.1 PDK. . : Insightful Reflexes
.1 Fighter: Precision
.3. . . . : Improved Shield Bash
.6. . . . : Quicken Spell
.9. . . . : Improved Single Weapon Fighting
11 Fighter: Improved Critical: Slashing
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
15. . . . : Greater Single Weapon Fighting
15 Fighter: Exotic Weapon: Kama
18. . . . : Toughness
20 Rogue. : Opportunist


Spells

Bard
Feather Fall, Cure Light Wounds, Master's Touch, Remove Fear
Invisibility, Cure Moderate Wounds, Blur

Enhancements (80 AP)

Swashbuckler (35 AP)
Confidence, Swashbuckling, Uncanny Dodge
On Your Toes II, Blow By Blow: Melee III
Double Strike Boost III
Elegant Footwork, Skirmisher, Resonant Arms III, Two Steps Ahead
Low Blow, Battering Barrage II
Thread the Needle, Exploit Weakness, Coup de Grace: Melee

Stalwart Defender (13 AP)
Toughness, Stalwart Defense
Durable Defense III, Stalwart Defensive Mastery I
Resilient Defense III, Armor Expertise I
Tenacious Defense III

Assassin (11 AP)
Knife in the Darkness, Dagger in the Back, Assassin's Trick
Shiv I, Sneak Attack Training, Stealthy III
Sneak Attack Training

Mechanic (10 AP)
Arbalester
Mechanics III, Awareness I
Improved Traps III, Wand and Scroll Mastery II

Harper Agent (8 AP)
Agent of Good I
Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat
Know the Angles III

Purple Dragon Knight (3 AP)
Damage Boost
Improved Recovery



I generally only play pure rogue assassin or acrobat but I would like this toon to be less squishy and more able to deal with undead while being as polyvalent as possible.

Short explanation of some of the choice:
- 10 level rogue for one special rogue feat
- 4 level fighter for 3 feats and stalwart defense
- 6 level bard for Swashbuckler (obviously ^^)
- IC slashing and Kama for forester brush hook, can swap this later
- IC bludgeon to deal with skellies
- Int to hit (Strategic combat I) and damage (Two steps ahead) for more skill points and some bonus damage with "Know the angles"

Any input would be appreciated !

unbongwah
10-31-2016, 11:06 AM
So here's one of my flavor builds I've been fiddling with since the Swashbuckler pass:

Cunning Skirmisher
12/5/3 Rogue/Bard/Fighter
True Neutral Human


Level Order

1. Rogue 6. Rogue 11. Bard 16. Rogue
2. Bard 7. Rogue 12. Fighter 17. Rogue
3. Bard 8. Rogue 13. Fighter 18. Rogue
4. Bard 9. Rogue 14. Rogue 19. Rogue
5. Fighter 10. Bard 15. Rogue 20. Rogue


Stats
36pt Tome Level Up
---- ---- --------
Strength 8 +5 4: INT
Dexterity 16 +5 8: INT
Constitution 16 +5 12: INT
Intelligence 18 +5 16: INT
Wisdom 8 +5 20: INT
Charisma 8 +5 24: INT
28: INT

Feats

1 : Single Weapon Fighting
1 Human : Insightful Reflexes
3 : Shield Mastery
5 Fighter: Precision
6 : Past Life: Rogue OR Completionist
9 : Improved Single Weapon Fighting
12 : Improved Shield Mastery
12 Fighter: Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
15 : Greater Single Weapon Fighting
18 : Empower Healing Spell
18 Rogue : Opportunist OR Improved Evasion
21 Epic : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic : Improved Sneak Attack
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Single Weapon Fighting OR Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic : Blinding Speed OR Watchful Eye
30 Legend : Scion of: Ethereal Plane


Enhancements (80 AP)

Swashbuckler (35 AP)


Confidence, Swashbuckling

On Your Toes I, Blow By Blow: Melee III
Deflect Arrows, Fast Movement, Sword Dance I, Double Strike Boost III
Elegant Footwork, Skirmisher, Resonant Arms III, Two Steps Ahead
Low Blow
Thread the Needle, Exploit Weakness, Coup de Grace: Melee



Assassin (21 AP)


Knife in the Darkness, Dagger in the Back, Assassin's Trick, Nimbleness

Sneak Attack Training, Stealthy III
Venomed Blades III, Sneak Attack Training, Damage Boost III
Sneak Attack Training, Intelligence



Stalwart Defender (13 AP)


Toughness, Stalwart Defense

Item Defense I, Durable Defense III
Resilient Defense III, Instinctive Defense I
Tenacious Defense III



Harper Agent (7 AP)


Agent of Good I

Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat
Know the Angles II



Thief-Acrobat (3 AP)


Staff Control

Fast Movement



Human (1 AP)


Damage Boost



Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought


Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III, Constitution
(none)
Critical Damage III, Haste Boost III
Lightning Mace
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Pulverizer


Twists of Fate (36 fate points)


Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
Reign (Tier 3 Fatesinger)
Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)
Legendary Shield Mastery (Tier 2 Sentinel)
Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)


The extra rogue levels net you +4d6 SA w/Imp Sneak Atk feat (req's base DEX 21) and +5 Melee Power from Nimbleness. I reaaaally wanted to max out Killer too (+20% doublestrike FTW), but you can see APs are really tight; I'd have to lose either Fast Movement (+12% runspeed), Know the Angles, or Tenacious Defense (+20% HPs). :(

Designed to use light maces which become 14-18/x3 19-20/x5 in Dreadnought w/Overwhelming Crit. Skullsmasher (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Skullsmasher) is 14-18/x4 19-20/x6 while drow light mace (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Drow_Light_Mace_of_the_Weapon_Master) is 12-18/x4 19-20/x6. Naturally, tweak to use whatever's your preferred weapon.

Sneak atks: 6d6 rog lvls + 3d6 Assassin enhs + 3d6 ISA feat = 12d6 (42 pts avg dmg). With Ethereal Plane I would expect to double that at least and Sneak of Shadows feat gives you 3 mins of +25 SA on top of that at lvl 30. And that's before you factor in gear. All of which is boosted by 150% Melee Power which needless to say will be quite high with Blitz maxed out. :)

Draegnar
11-03-2016, 05:55 PM
The extra rogue levels net you +4d6 SA w/Imp Sneak Atk feat (req's base DEX 21) and +5 Melee Power from Nimbleness. I reaaaally wanted to max out Killer too (+20% doublestrike FTW), but you can see APs are really tight; I'd have to lose either Fast Movement (+12% runspeed), Know the Angles, or Tenacious Defense (+20% HPs). :(

Designed to use light maces which become 14-18/x3 19-20/x5 in Dreadnought w/Overwhelming Crit. Skullsmasher (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Skullsmasher) is 14-18/x4 19-20/x6 while drow light mace (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Drow_Light_Mace_of_the_Weapon_Master) is 12-18/x4 19-20/x6. Naturally, tweak to use whatever's your preferred weapon.

Sneak atks: 6d6 rog lvls + 3d6 Assassin enhs + 3d6 ISA feat = 12d6 (42 pts avg dmg). With Ethereal Plane I would expect to double that at least and Sneak of Shadows feat gives you 3 mins of +25 SA on top of that at lvl 30. And that's before you factor in gear. All of which is boosted by 150% Melee Power which needless to say will be quite high with Blitz maxed out. :)

Thanks, those are great suggestion but IMO it would be easier to go DEX based with this kind of build. Anyway, I don't have a +5 DEX tome on this character and I'd prefer something less AP starved.

I'm beginning to think that the SB tree is probably not worth 35 AP... what are your thought about 11/6/3 rog/ftr/brd build ?
--> handaxe and light pick at natural 15-20/x4
--> very AP efficient = lot of flexibility
--> 2 more feats

or 10/6/4 for level 2 spells