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Mac111
06-26-2016, 12:15 AM
Hello i want to play a fighter 1st life shield and sword i have 32 point build unlocked and i plan to play EE quest with a group i have no tomes any ideas thank you

Drecas
06-26-2016, 06:11 AM
any ideas
Only one. I hope your group enjoys lugging your soulstone around.

EDIT: Actually here is an idea: go Bladeforged and use a +1 heart. Now you got a pure fighter with some self-healing ability. Take Kensei Tier 5 for damage and from Stalwart take 20% hp and +6 CON stance. Figure the rest of it out yourself.

Hobgoblin
06-26-2016, 07:22 AM
Only one. I hope your group enjoys lugging your soulstone around.

EDIT: Actually here is an idea: go Bladeforged and use a +1 heart. Now you got a pure fighter with some self-healing ability. Take Kensei Tier 5 for damage and from Stalwart take 20% hp and +6 CON stance. Figure the rest of it out yourself.

So helpful!


op

think about going halfling w dragon marks or invest in umd to heal youself as a human

Drecas
06-26-2016, 08:16 AM
It was helpful. Thinking you can bring a untomed, ungeared first life fighter straight to EE is madness. Bladeforged was the most OP option I could think of. As for the rest of the build, I think he should experiment and come up with one on his own, that's what makes this game fun.

unbongwah
06-26-2016, 10:30 AM
Hello i want to play a fighter 1st life shield and sword i have 32 point build unlocked and i plan to play EE quest with a group i have no tomes any ideas thank you
Better hope one of them is a dedicated healer, as fighters still don't have any self-healing, unless you're playing a halfling w/DMs or a Bladeforged. Eventually you will be able to pick up ED healing abilities, but first you have to level them up, which takes a while.

I've partially updated my Dwarven Defender thread for U31; however for a self-sufficient S&B tank, I think pally is still better, so see my Sacred Vanguards thread. If anything, on a first life I would go pally, then HTR into ftr once I had my EDs gear etc. sorted out.

Rawrargh
06-26-2016, 11:11 AM
Being able to run EE in a group is a decent goal for a first lifer, don't let the others tell you any different.
It does however take some investment when it comes to ED's and playing according to your characters capabilities.
Below is a pretty straight forward vanguard build that should be able to hold it's own.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 4.31.202
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 30 Lawful Good Human Male
(20 Fighter \ 10 Epic)
Hit Points: 467
Spell Points: 80
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 5
Will: 5

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 30)
Strength 18 25
Dexterity 8 8
Constitution 18 18
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 8 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 30)
Balance 0 9
Bluff 0 9
Concentration 0 14
Diplomacy 0 9
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 0 9
Heal 0 9
Hide 0 9
Intimidate 0 9
Jump 0 17
Listen 0 9
Move Silently 0 9
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 9
Search 0 9
Spellcraft 0 9
Spot 0 9
Swim 0 17
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Bash
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Heavy Armor Master


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Heavy Armor Champion


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Tacticle Master


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Magical Training
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Tacticle Supremacy


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Tacticle Combatant


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Bulwark of Defense


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Primal Sphere: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Damage Reduction


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Martial Sphere: Pierce Silver


Level 29 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Martial Sphere: Dire Charge


Level 30 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed
Feat: (Legendary) Scion of Arborea
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike With No Thought (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Power Surge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Exotic Weapon Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Opportunity Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Overbalance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - To the Fore! (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Combat (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Vicious Shield (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Combat II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Vicious Shield II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Champion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Specialization I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Smash (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Smash (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Specialization II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Brutality (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Brutality (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Brutality (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Stunning Shield (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Stunning Shield (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Stunning Shield (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Specialization III (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Fatal Bulwark (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Specialization IV (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Vanguard Armor Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Vanguard Armor Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Vanguard Armor Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Charge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Charge (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Charge (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield to the Face (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Disorienting Smash (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Disorienting Smash (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Rush (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Rush (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Rush (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Armored Strength (Rank 1)




Alternatively you can go for capstone and t5 in kensai to get some more damage in exchange for some CC, that's a personal choice, however I think as a first lifer, the extra CC from t5 vanguard is gonna help out more. (just advice, try both and see what you prefer)

Don't be that guy that runs in useless sentinel though, divine crusader and legendary dreadnaught is where it's at.

KoobTheProud
06-26-2016, 11:49 AM
Listen to Unbongwah and do either the Bladeforged Fighter or Human Pally as your build. Go pure in either case, because that's the easiest thing to learn to play under stress the first time around.

Don't listen to the naysayers on Epic Elite with a 1st Lifer *if* you are playing in a static group with friends. Otherwise avoid EE on 1st life with the type of build you are wanting to play. Nobody "groups" in DDO unless they're friends/guildies. Everybody solos in a group otherwise and neither of the builds you can approach EE with are going to be a good solo in a group experience as a 1st life character.

EvilGremlin
07-04-2016, 09:07 PM
I don't know how good this build is but I was playing around with the synergy between the deep gnome racials and intelligence based characters I came up with something a bit different.

New Build
Fighter 20
True Neutral Deep Gnome


Stats
. . . . . . . .32pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . .6. . . .+6. . . .4: INT
Dexterity . . . 14. . . .+6. . . .8: INT
Constitution. . 16. . . .+6. . . 12: INT
Intelligence. . 20. . . .+6. . . 16: INT
Wisdom. . . . . 10. . . .+6. . . 20: INT
Charisma. . . . .6. . . .+6. . . 24: INT
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: INT

Skills
. . . . . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Intim . . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Jump. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2. 2. 2. 3. 3. 3. 3. 5. 23
Swim. . . . . . . . . . . . . .2 .2 .2 .2 .3 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .4 .22
Concent . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
Heal. . . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
Spellcr . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
Balance . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
Tumble. . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
UMD . . . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
Haggle. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1 . 1
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .28. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 9. 9. 9. 9 10 10 10 10 11 11 11 11 12
. . . . .28. 7. 7. 8. 8. 8. 8. 9. 9. 9. 9 10 10 10 10 11 11 11 11 12


Feats

.1. . . . : Insightful Reflexes
.1 Fighter: Precision
.2 Fighter: Heavy Armor Training
.3. . . . : Weapon Focus: Slashing
.4 Fighter: Two Weapon Fighting
.6. . . . : Weapon Specialization: Slashing
.6 Fighter: Heavy Armor Combatant
.8 Fighter: Improved Critical: Slashing
.9. . . . : Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing
10 Fighter: Heavy Armor Master
12. . . . : Improved Two Weapon Fighting
12 Fighter: Greater Two Weapon Fighting
14 Fighter: Heavy Armor Champion
15. . . . : Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing
16 Fighter: Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing
18. . . . : Tactical Supremacy
18 Fighter: Tactical Mastery
20 Fighter: Stunning Blow
21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic . : Bulwark of Defense
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic . : Blinding Speed
28 Destiny: Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Deific Warding
30 Epic . : Epic Damage Reduction
30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Earth


Enhancements (78 of 80 AP)

Kensei (34 AP)
Kensei Focus: Light Blades, Spiritual Bond, Strike with No Thought, Power Surge
Extra Action Boost III, Weapon Group Specialization, Haste Boost III
Tactics III, Weapon Group Specialization
Weapon Group Specialization, Shattering Strike III
Weapon Group Specialization, Strike at the Heart
A Good Death: Melee, Weapon Master

Deep Gnome (27 AP)
Wariness, Intelligence, Wariness II, Intelligence
Illusory Escape, Wand and Scroll Mastery III, Underdark Experience III, Gnomish Weapon Training
Color Spray III, Permanent Blur, Gnomish Weapon Training
Nimble Reaction III, Stoneskin I, Gnomish Weapon Training
Gnomish Weapon Training

Harper Agent (17 AP)
Agent of Good I, Intelligence
Traveler's Toughness II, Strategic Combat
Magical Endurance III, Know the Angles III
Strategic Combat, Intelligence

unbongwah
07-06-2016, 09:45 AM
I don't know how good this build is but I was playing around with the synergy between the deep gnome racials and intelligence based characters I came up with something a bit different.
Setting aside whether INT-based pure Kensei is a good idea in the first place, I see a few issues:

Not having the last two cores (One Cut + Alacrity) is a major DPS loss, so that's definitely the first thing you should fix. I also think it's a mistake not to invest in Stalwart D. as well, esp. if you want Bulwark of Defense.
You took Slashing weapons feats and maxed out Gnomish Weapon Training line; but gnomish bonuses don't apply to any slashing weapons. [Short swords are piercing.]
As an INT-based build, I think your Stunning Blow DCs will be too low to do any good. Dire Charge should be fine, though.
Dumping STR means you can't pick up Power Atk, which means no Cleave + GC feats either. You don't list your ED so I don't know what your plan is there; but I always prefer to have some AoE atks plus the option of using Momentum Swing+Lay Waste.

ValariusK
07-06-2016, 12:49 PM
If you're looking for a character that can survive and contribute in EE as a first lifer in a fixed group, I suggest this:
Go THF, forget sword and shield. Get stunning blow and take the 2 best tiers of the bonus to tactical DCs feat. That'll give you a useful stunner. Why go THF?
Frankly the reason is this: the best defense is a good offense. As a first lifer you're going to have serious troubles getting enough defense to be able to stand toe to toe long even with a shield with EE mobs (especially champions, they're bad news and good candidates for stunning blow). THF will give you strong DPS with few constraints on your stats and also good trash cleaning ability with glancing blows cleaves and great cleaves.
For an ED, I suggest going Divine crusader. DC will give you a solid self-healing and group healing ability. For stats something like Str 16, Con 16, rest as desired (go strength 18 if you like and are comfortable dumping the rest). For a race go human. Take like 24 in stalwart, 41 in kensai and use the rest in racial and harper.

EvilGremlin
07-06-2016, 12:57 PM
Setting aside whether INT-based pure Kensei is a good idea in the first place, I see a few issues:

Not having the last two cores (One Cut + Alacrity) is a major DPS loss, so that's definitely the first thing you should fix. I also think it's a mistake not to invest in Stalwart D. as well, esp. if you want Bulwark of Defense.
You took Slashing weapons feats and maxed out Gnomish Weapon Training line; but gnomish bonuses don't apply to any slashing weapons. [Short swords are piercing.]
As an INT-based build, I think your Stunning Blow DCs will be too low to do any good. Dire Charge should be fine, though.
Dumping STR means you can't pick up Power Atk, which means no Cleave + GC feats either. You don't list your ED so I don't know what your plan is there; but I always prefer to have some AoE atks plus the option of using Momentum Swing+Lay Waste.



Yeah I noticed the slashing issue and added some other stuff. I did some number crunching and kopesh gives better dps anyway I think. It is an experiment I would never roll unless I had a regular group.