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Cordovan
06-20-2016, 04:15 PM
UPDATE: The game worlds have reopened. Thank you for your patience, and we'll see you in the game!

The DDO game worlds will be unavailable from 8:00 AM - 11:00 AM Eastern (-4 GMT) on Tuesday, June 21st for Update 31 Patch 3. We'll see you in the game soon!

The patch includes:



A fix for an enhancement that was causing decreased game performance.
The addition (for real this time) of Bigby's Pointing Fingers and PRR/MRR potions in the DDO Store.
The implementation of a 50 mail limit per character in the in-game mail system. Players with more than 50 mails will be unable to send mail or post/bid in the auction houses. This is being done to improve game performance. The improvement will be seen when players reduce the size of their inboxes. At this time we are not deleting mail.

Ebondevil
06-20-2016, 04:20 PM
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 08:00:00 EDT GMT-4 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 07:00:00 CDT GMT-5 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 06:00:00 MDT GMT-6 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 05:00:00 PDT GMT-7 hours

Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 12:00:00 UTC GMT
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 13:00:00 BST GMT+1 hour
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 14:00:00 CEST GMT+2 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 15:00:00 EEST GMT+3 hours

Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 20:45:00 ACWST GMT+8:45 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 21:30:00 ACST GMT+9:30 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 22:00:00 AEST GMT+10 hours

UurlockYgmeov
06-20-2016, 04:22 PM
:)

its happening sometime...

kmoustakas
06-20-2016, 04:29 PM
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 08:00:00 EDT GMT-4 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 07:00:00 CDT GMT-5 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 06:00:00 MDT GMT-6 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 05:00:00 PDT GMT-7 hours

Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 12:00:00 UTC GMT
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 13:00:00 BST GMT+1 hour
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 14:00:00 CEST GMT+2 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 15:00:00 EEST GMT+3 hours

Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 20:45:00 ACWST GMT+8:45 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 21:30:00 ACST GMT+9:30 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 22:00:00 AEST GMT+10 hours

<3

Stormblade721
06-20-2016, 04:57 PM
<3


<giggle> in other words, some time between sunrise and sunset, or shortly before or thereafter, the evolution will occur....................................

AAH
06-20-2016, 05:03 PM
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 08:00:00 EDT GMT-4 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 07:00:00 CDT GMT-5 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 06:00:00 MDT GMT-6 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 05:00:00 PDT GMT-7 hours

Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 12:00:00 UTC GMT
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 13:00:00 BST GMT+1 hour
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 14:00:00 CEST GMT+2 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 15:00:00 EEST GMT+3 hours

Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 20:45:00 ACWST GMT+8:45 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 21:30:00 ACST GMT+9:30 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 22:00:00 AEST GMT+10 hours

Thank you for this.

How useful would it be if the launcher displayed the downtime in local time. Perhaps they forgot that 95.5% of the world doesn't live in the U.S.A.

Aedra1
06-20-2016, 05:25 PM
Thank you for this.

How useful would it be if the launcher displayed the downtime in local time. Perhaps they forgot that 95.5% of the world doesn't live in the U.S.A.

Not everyone in the U.S. is on Eastern time either but suffice it to say most can figure it out with some simple math.

Astoroth
06-20-2016, 06:11 PM
The DDO game worlds will be unavailable from 8:00 AM - 11:00 AM Eastern (-4 GMT) on Tuesday, June 21st for Update 31 Patch 3. We'll see you in the game soon!

A fix for an enhancement that was causing decreased game performance.
The implementation of a 50 mail limit per character in the in-game mail system. Players with more than 50 mails will be unable to send mail or post/bid in the auction houses. This is being done to improve game performance. The improvement will be seen when players reduce the size of their inboxes. At this time we are not deleting mail.


My guess is the mail itself didnt cause as much lag as your mail monitoring software. I guess you're going ahead with this bad idea without pushing it to lamania first? Does turbine ever learn from its mistakes?

beta1
06-20-2016, 06:14 PM
I am just wondering what will happen if a player has 49-50 mail messages and DDO tries to send the a message that the player has more free DDO points or has hit a favor reward.

Robai
06-20-2016, 06:34 PM
The implementation of a 50 mail limit per character in the in-game mail system. Players with more than 50 mails will be unable to send mail or post/bid in the auction houses. This is being done to improve game performance. The improvement will be seen when players reduce the size of their inboxes. At this time we are not deleting mail.


I thought it has always been 50 mail limit. Quite often I hit that limit a year ago.
Was that limit removed at some point?

Cleanincubus
06-20-2016, 07:38 PM
I thought it has always been 50 mail limit. Quite often I hit that limit a year ago.
Was that limit removed at some point?

Yes. I'm not sure when the limit was lifted either. But apparently it's been going on long enough for some players to store thousands of items in their mail accounts.

trevitt
06-20-2016, 07:50 PM
We might only account for about 4.5% of the world's population... but we do account for over 41% of the world's total personal wealth and that has perks!!! The rest of you need to bow to the USA's mighty $$ and convert :P

And the largest carbon footprint. All bow to the USA or they will come over in their big ass hummers and squash you lol.

Augon
06-20-2016, 08:07 PM
My guess is the mail itself didnt cause as much lag as your mail monitoring software. I guess you're going ahead with this bad idea without pushing it to lamania first? Does turbine ever learn from its mistakes?

The Mail limit change would be impossible to test on Lam. Who has anything in their mail boxes on lamannia?

Augon
06-20-2016, 08:12 PM
I thought it has always been 50 mail limit. Quite often I hit that limit a year ago.
Was that limit removed at some point?

The 50 mail limit has some affects already. If you have more than 50 items you cannot send mail. I think you cannot receive mail from anyone except the Auction House. But you can continue to post on the AH and thus continue to receive mail from it indefinitely. And once items are past three weeks old, they will sit in the mail box indefinitely saying 1day left.

alancarp
06-20-2016, 09:55 PM
Perhaps they forgot that 95.5% of the world doesn't live in the U.S.A.
..
http://thumbs.worthpoint.com/Sev7QU-WhkIm47lI_Bm2a4iMYds=/400x0/images/images1/1/0611/18/1_18de719c88fb22a54be1dbda12d86dbb.jpg

Livmo
06-20-2016, 11:05 PM
Time Again - Asia (Wetton/Downes/Howe/Palmer)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v46TMN1j8Jw

Time is an abstract concept. Updates, fixes, patches, etc. have to happen some time regardless of the effects.

Livmo
06-20-2016, 11:06 PM
I was going to make a time/having to void analogy, but chose the 2fer instead. Enjoy!


Sole Survivor by Asia (with lyrics)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWxL3iB5b6E

goodspeed
06-20-2016, 11:08 PM
We might only account for about 4.5% of the world's population... but we do account for over 41% of the world's total personal wealth and that has perks!!! The rest of you need to bow to the USA's mighty $$ and convert :P

lol when I look on a lit map for fps's I see America (usually the west coast with bits around it north and deep south.) the brits and parts of Europe, then japan seems brightest. And then their are those cold lonesome dots, way out there in no mans land in the vastness of Asia and Africa.

Grandern_Marn
06-21-2016, 01:30 AM
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 08:00:00 EDT GMT-4 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 07:00:00 CDT GMT-5 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 06:00:00 MDT GMT-6 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 05:00:00 PDT GMT-7 hours

Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 12:00:00 UTC GMT
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 13:00:00 BST GMT+1 hour
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 14:00:00 CEST GMT+2 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 15:00:00 EEST GMT+3 hours

Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 20:45:00 ACWST GMT+8:45 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 21:30:00 ACST GMT+9:30 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 22:00:00 AEST GMT+10 hours

I live in Japan, you did not include my time zone. Why bother doing this unless you do all time zones?

The time zone is clearly stated in the thread title. If you do not live in that time zone then google it. There are plenty of sites which will give complete time zone information, try Timebie:
http://www.timebie.com/timezone/japanboston.php


Yes. I'm not sure when the limit was lifted either. But apparently it's been going on long enough for some players to store thousands of items in their mail accounts.

As far as the mail limit is concerned I did a lot of selling on the auctions when I started with the game but I don't think I ever went beyond 50 items, I would hover around 30 or 40. I can't imagine posting thousands of items, that would take hours of management in itself. An excellent time sink for those who would prefer to play the merchant game instead of the DDO questing game but if its lagging out then I see 50 as a reasonable number limit.

shawnvw
06-21-2016, 01:50 AM
At this time we are not deleting mail.


Okay, but are you fixing the Expiration bug? In other words, will all those mails I have that say "1 day" left, expire the day after the patch?

VinX
06-21-2016, 06:46 AM
When the Arcane Archer Final Strike will be fixed?
If i try to take the Final Strike, I'm not able to take the other T5 of the same tree, and viceversa.

pitong
06-21-2016, 06:54 AM
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 08:00:00 EDT GMT-4 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 07:00:00 CDT GMT-5 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 06:00:00 MDT GMT-6 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 05:00:00 PDT GMT-7 hours

Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 12:00:00 UTC GMT
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 13:00:00 BST GMT+1 hour
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 14:00:00 CEST GMT+2 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 15:00:00 EEST GMT+3 hours

Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 20:45:00 ACWST GMT+8:45 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 21:30:00 ACST GMT+9:30 hours
Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 22:00:00 AEST GMT+10 hours

i bet that players are older than 2 years and can do simple math.

Faltout
06-21-2016, 07:09 AM
i bet that players are older than 2 years and can do simple math.
You win the bet about older than 2 years, lose the bet about "can do simple math". See previous downtime threads (before ebon posted that in each one) :)

Loromir
06-21-2016, 07:10 AM
And the largest carbon footprint.

Correction...second largest. #1 would be China.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2.html#.V2kulPkrKXI

DefecTalisman
06-21-2016, 07:11 AM
May I please get a reply from Turbine to my concern in this post -> https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/476098-Dungeons-amp-Dragons-Online-April-2013-Data-Breach

Bloodrow
06-21-2016, 08:01 AM
The fact that DDO went with the cheapest bidding servers just a little while ago has nothing to do with decreasing the in game mail system for performance. :confused: Remember, p2p only get 40 mail slots, VIP get more.

Cordovan
06-21-2016, 08:50 AM
Okay, but are you fixing the Expiration bug? In other words, will all those mails I have that say "1 day" left, expire the day after the patch?

Yes, they should now expire correctly.

Also, the worlds are now open. Thanks!

Grandern_Marn
06-21-2016, 09:02 AM
Yes, they should now expire correctly.

Also, the worlds are now open. Thanks!

Wow, pretty quick!

I was going to go get some dinner, I guess I'll be going without :eek:

Sylvado
06-21-2016, 09:12 AM
My guess is the mail itself didnt cause as much lag as your mail monitoring software. I guess you're going ahead with this bad idea without pushing it to lamania first? Does turbine ever learn from its mistakes?

Just so I am clear about this. Turbine has a price model that allows people to play the game for free by selling enhancements for the game. Inventory space is one of those enhancements. Mail is something that is included in the free base instance of the game. Players have abused the mail system to use it for inventory. Since it was never intended as an inventory issue the mail system uses more resources than what was intended for the system. Turbine places controls on the mail system to control the resource use which are reasonable for the intended use of the system but not the abuse of the mail system for inventory. Players complain because their unintended use of the mail system is being restricted.

Hershaw
06-21-2016, 09:26 AM
My guess is the mail itself didnt cause as much lag as your mail monitoring software. I guess you're going ahead with this bad idea without pushing it to lamania first? Does turbine ever learn from its mistakes?

And you are, of course, saying this based on your extensive knowledge of the situation and your familiarity with Turbine's systems?

Oh, it's really just a random complaint/accusation based on nothing?? who could have guessed...

LXP
06-21-2016, 09:34 AM
Yes, they should now expire correctly.

Ok, what will happen to a mail upon expiration

1. if it has neither currency nor an item attached
2. if it has currency or an item attached and was sent by another character
3. if it has currency or an item attached and was sent from one of the auction houses (expired/cancelled auctions)

?

Horst-of-the-Wood
06-21-2016, 10:14 AM
Ok, what will happen to a mail upon expiration

A very good question.

Also I'm getting another problem now: I've always used the mail system to store a large amount of plat for using it at the platinum AH. And now I am stuck: I can't buy things from the AH because the mail is overfull AND I can't get the plat from the mail because I'm at plat limit. This situation makes me feel frustrated. I'm making excessive ussage of the AH to equip my toons during their way from 1 to 30, mainly due to the limited storage space for items (I hate keeping much stuff in TR cache/bank... and have no mule twinks).

What to do now? Deleting all the hard earned plat is not what I want to do! Also I would like to be able to use the AH once again.

RistoffDervish
06-21-2016, 10:28 AM
A very good question.

Also I'm getting another problem now: I've always used the mail system to store a large amount of plat for using it at the platinum AH. And now I am stuck: I can't buy things from the AH because the mail is overfull AND I can't get the plat from the mail because I'm at plat limit. This situation makes me feel frustrated. I'm making excessive ussage of the AH to equip my toons during their way from 1 to 30, mainly due to the limited storage space for items (I hate keeping much stuff in TR cache/bank... and have no mule twinks).

What to do now? Deleting all the hard earned plat is not what I want to do! Also I would like to be able to use the AH once again.

Buy a platinum vault for your bank. They sell them in the DDO store.

Ebondevil
06-21-2016, 10:28 AM
I live in Japan, you did not include my time zone. Why bother doing this unless you do all time zones?

Because there are currently 38 different timezones in use, I assume this does not including the duplicates used as a result of different locations having different names for them, nor the zones used outside of Summertime, including them all gets a little excessive.

So I've included the more commonly used or requested (in more than one thread) time zones, and I do it three reasons:

Saves people the bother of looking it up on sites like those you mentioned.
Stops people complaining about Cordovan giving incorrect information when he's not.
People seem to mostly appreciate it.

LXP
06-21-2016, 10:30 AM
A very good question.

Also I'm getting another problem now: I've always used the mail system to store a large amount of plat for using it at the platinum AH. And now I am stuck: I can't buy things from the AH because the mail is overfull AND I can't get the plat from the mail because I'm at plat limit. This situation makes me feel frustrated. I'm making excessive ussage of the AH to equip my toons during their way from 1 to 30, mainly due to the limited storage space for items (I hate keeping much stuff in TR cache/bank... and have no mule twinks).

What to do now? Deleting all the hard earned plat is not what I want to do! Also I would like to be able to use the AH once again.

Well, an obvious, but not necessarily desirable solution in your case would be to more or less randomly buy stuff from stores or brokers - for example.

But I guess it was time someone brought the issue up, with all the related intricacies.

Horst-of-the-Wood
06-21-2016, 10:43 AM
Buy a platinum vault for your bank. They sell them in the DDO store.

Platinum vault can only store about 5.5m plat. My mail storage contains at least 50m plat. As said I'm one of those players making excessive usage of the AH.

And the very idea having to delete all the hard earned money drives me mad.

der_kluge
06-21-2016, 11:21 AM
Platinum vault can only store about 5.5m plat. My mail storage contains at least 50m plat. As said I'm one of those players making excessive usage of the AH.

And the very idea having to delete all the hard earned money drives me mad.

What do you possibly hope to do with 50M plat??? Nothing, that's what.
Find 50 new players, and give them all 1M plat. Problem solved.

Zzevel
06-21-2016, 11:27 AM
Platinum vault can only store about 5.5m plat. My mail storage contains at least 50m plat. As said I'm one of those players making excessive usage of the AH.

And the very idea having to delete all the hard earned money drives me mad.

Why would you ever need all that Platt anyway, buy a guild ship on an alt, Invest in tomes, buy all the raid timers on the server... ingredients maybe? You have it for some reason, saving it just to have it? If you ever need that much agan, clearly it was easy enough to make once, it should be easier *IF a platt sink of that magnitude ever made it into the game...

PermaBanned
06-21-2016, 11:27 AM
Platinum vault can only store about 5.5m plat. My mail storage contains at least 50m plat. As said I'm one of those players making excessive usage of the AH.

And the very idea having to delete all the hard earned money drives me mad.

Well, quite nice of you to come on and admit that you're one of the folks apearantly causing lag with your large stockpile of mail.

Question: It sounds like you have more plat than you can spend. If that's true, where's your actual loss to game enjoyment if you get reduced from more than you can spend to (less than you have now while still being) more than you can spend?

Lerl
06-21-2016, 11:41 AM
For me, I am having more lag now than before. Near-constant start-stop-rubberband lag. :(

dunklezhan
06-21-2016, 11:47 AM
Because there are currently 38 different timezones in use, I assume this does not including the duplicates used as a result of different locations having different names for them, nor the zones used outside of Summertime, including them all gets a little excessive.

So I've included the more commonly used or requested (in more than one thread) time zones, and I do it three reasons:

Saves people the bother of looking it up on sites like those you mentioned.
Stops people complaining about Cordovan giving incorrect information when he's not.
People seem to mostly appreciate it.



Ha! Welcome to Cordovan's world. Why do you think he doesn't get into all the different timezones? folk'll always complain about something. That person you're responding to could have thought 'hey, Japan's been missed off Ebon's post, I'll be helpful and post it myself. Instead... complaining.

People are awesome. Have some rep.

UurlockYgmeov
06-21-2016, 11:49 AM
sitting back now to watch the abject horror and dread of the uber-mail hoarders try to click away the mess they created.... popcorn anyone?

AnEvenNewerNoob
06-21-2016, 12:20 PM
What do you possibly hope to do with 50M plat??? Nothing, that's what.
Find 50 new players, and give them all 1M plat. Problem solved.

This pretty much.

If you're on Cannith I could use a few million!

Faltout
06-21-2016, 01:11 PM
Platinum vault can only store about 5.5m plat. My mail storage contains at least 50m plat. As said I'm one of those players making excessive usage of the AH.

And the very idea having to delete all the hard earned money drives me mad.
Step 1. Create a new account
Step 2. Make the account premium
Step 3. Create a new character in account 2
Step 4. Log with 2 characters. 1 from your main account and 1 from your new account.
Step 5. Trade 4.4M plat from the character in your main account to the character in your new account.
Step 6. Repeat from step 3 till you are satisfied.

Lagin
06-21-2016, 02:57 PM
A very good question.

Also I'm getting another problem now: I've always used the mail system to store a large amount of plat for using it at the platinum AH. And now I am stuck: I can't buy things from the AH because the mail is overfull AND I can't get the plat from the mail because I'm at plat limit. This situation makes me feel frustrated. I'm making excessive ussage of the AH to equip my toons during their way from 1 to 30, mainly due to the limited storage space for items (I hate keeping much stuff in TR cache/bank... and have no mule twinks).

What to do now? Deleting all the hard earned plat is not what I want to do! Also I would like to be able to use the AH once again.


With ANY changes to game systems there will collateral damage.:rolleyes:
Sorry, but you'll need to adapt and overcome.:cool:

digitaljc
06-21-2016, 03:38 PM
*Ugh* no more mitigating TR cache and inventory limits by posting through both AH/SE, cancelling postings and dropping excess into email. Need to clean house for real now :( :)

A new game begins!

S3R3N1T7
06-21-2016, 03:53 PM
if they kill my tr bank i leave the game, and remove ddo of all my computers. That will be new game with no player !

And they finish kill ddo, show by yourself this statistic for understand :

http://steamcharts.com/app/206480#1y

illuminar
06-21-2016, 05:09 PM
if they kill my tr bank i leave the game, and remove ddo of all my computers. That will be new game with no player !

And they finish kill ddo, show by yourself this statistic for understand :

http://steamcharts.com/app/206480#1y

Steam reviews show a very positive rating both overall and over the last 30 days. That's and the fact that there is no reason to use steam with ddo, other than an occasional add on purchase for which steam only has a limited selection, and you can see there isn't much substance behind your rant.

If you like DDO... support it. If you don't... why would you waste your time posting to its forums???

LXP
06-21-2016, 05:17 PM
if they kill my tr bank i leave the game, and remove ddo of all my computers. That will be new game with no player !

And they finish kill ddo, show by yourself this statistic for understand :

http://steamcharts.com/app/206480#1y

Can I haz your stuff?

P.S.: On second thought, nevermind. I'm already loaded.

Elsbet
06-21-2016, 06:02 PM
My guess is the mail itself didnt cause as much lag as your mail monitoring software. I guess you're going ahead with this bad idea without pushing it to lamania first? Does turbine ever learn from its mistakes?

It isn't the text mail as much as the idiots who use the mail as an alternate bank by mailing themselves their items and leaving them there.


Platinum vault can only store about 5.5m plat. My mail storage contains at least 50m plat. As said I'm one of those players making excessive usage of the AH.

And the very idea having to delete all the hard earned money drives me mad.

Not. Real. Money.

Give it to some newbies. Spend it.

shawnvw
06-21-2016, 08:03 PM
Platinum vault can only store about 5.5m plat. My mail storage contains at least 50m plat. As said I'm one of those players making excessive usage of the AH.

And the very idea having to delete all the hard earned money drives me mad.

There's an Aesop's fable about a miser who kept a huge lump of gold buried in his yard. One day it was stolen. The miser's friend told him "Since you never planned to spend the gold, you might as well just replace it with a big rock."

I like the idea of giving it away to other players, but that much plat would take forever!

Shoemaker
06-21-2016, 08:19 PM
Yes, they should now expire correctly.

Also, the worlds are now open. Thanks!

And when they expire, they'll be deleted... Or will the expiration still not mean anything since it was said that no emails would be deleted at this time?

Silverleafeon
06-21-2016, 08:46 PM
Platinum vault can only store about 5.5m plat. My mail storage contains at least 50m plat. As said I'm one of those players making excessive usage of the AH.

And the very idea having to delete all the hard earned money drives me mad.


Wow, a single mail can hold 9,999 plat (or about 10k), and you are holding 50,000,000 plat.

50,000,000 / 10,000 = 5,000 letters of plat mail on a toon (plus whatever other mail you have)


By the way, 12ish mule toons could hold that much plat (at 4.25 million each).

dontmater
06-21-2016, 10:38 PM
When the Arcane Archer Final Strike will be fixed?
If i try to take the Final Strike, I'm not able to take the other T5 of the same tree, and viceversa.

amen

Drunkendx
06-22-2016, 02:01 AM
We might only account for about 4.5% of the world's population... but we do account for over 41% of the world's total personal wealth and that has perks!!! The rest of you need to bow to the USA's mighty $$ and convert :P

First switch to SI system of measures, and then I'll consider that option. ;P

Sshalis
06-22-2016, 02:19 AM
on ghallanda around midnight with three others in party.... no lag... ran around the high road for about an hour... didn't run a raid... hoping to run one in the next couple days... will report

Amundir
06-22-2016, 07:42 AM
And you are, of course, saying this based on your extensive knowledge of the situation and your familiarity with Turbine's systems?

Oh, it's really just a random complaint/accusation based on nothing?? who could have guessed...

Anyone that has played this game for an extended period of time should know Turbines track record with dropping updates on live, followed by multiple patching.

Dude made a statement based on the history he has experience with the company, and you complain about his complaining. In your own words.

"who could have guessed..."

DreamingReality
06-22-2016, 10:35 AM
The reason I am asking for a mail expiration extension is two-fold: First, I have a life outside of DDO unfortunately and once or twice a year I must step through a dimension door and not return for a month or so. Having a five week limit on unopened mail would ease my mind. If I put items on the auction, I would not have to worry about coming back to missing them or the money I earned. I have enough inventory slots to accommodate my items (right now) but I do like to batch sell once a week instead of putting an item on here or there.

Second, my best friend has moved to the other side of the world. She also, unfortunately, has a life outside of the DDO universe. Since I have convinced her to join so we can still hang out together (for some reason we have figured out the time difference thing- I mean you can set your computer to show you three time zones at once!), we rarely communicate through e-mail and actually keep each other updated through DDO mail. If either of us have to be away it would be very sad to think our messages are being deleted because the other person has not logged on in a couple weeks.

If some people truly have THOUSANDS of messages and they are now being cut down to 50, it seems like an extended amount of time should not cause too many problems. (I am sweating at the 50 message limit, too, because I have gotten five messages from DDO in a day before and with twenty items on auction and random gifts or guild invites I send out that may be coming back in returned mail because the user has not been on, that puts me close enough to the limit to cause slight worry. Maybe Guild leaders could get 75 messages but only on the character that is leader?)

I do think a master collection manual would be idea for named items simply because I like checking boxes for things, but my characters are certainly never going to use all the named items. However, I don't know how you would set it up so characters could reclaim the items- maybe pay plat for limited use like hirelings but you only have access to those items you have owned?

I would like a few questions answered:
(1) If a person reaches his or her limit of 50, what will happen to the 51st+ messages? Will they still pool in the mailbox only making it impossible to send mail and visit the auction house or will they be automatically deleted?
(2) I would like some clarification about the 1 day left on messages currently in my box since it was also said messages will not be deleted as of now. If there is one day left, will they be deleted tomorrow?
(3) If messages that contain items (or plat) are the bulk of the problem, why are text messages being limited, too?
(4) If messages that contain items (or plat) are about to expire and their are inventory slots available in the character that is receiving them, will they automatically go into those slots or will the items (or plat) be deleted (or returned to the sender)?

GandolfWhite
06-22-2016, 12:59 PM
UPDATE: The game worlds have reopened. Thank you for your patience, and we'll see you in the game!

The DDO game worlds will be unavailable from 8:00 AM - 11:00 AM Eastern (-4 GMT) on Tuesday, June 21st for Update 31 Patch 3. We'll see you in the game soon!

The patch includes:



A fix for an enhancement that was causing decreased game performance.
The addition (for real this time) of Bigby's Pointing Fingers and PRR/MRR potions in the DDO Store.
The implementation of a 50 mail limit per character in the in-game mail system. Players with more than 50 mails will be unable to send mail or post/bid in the auction houses. This is being done to improve game performance. The improvement will be seen when players reduce the size of their inboxes. At this time we are not deleting mail.


How do development purpose to make ddo a friendly and fun game? All features build to give players some fun and lesser restriction limit has been taken without discussion of your player or in this case your clients desire. You know the finger is completely useless an excuse to find a way to give you more money as if tomes and adventure packs not enough. Why games slow part is people need to buy better internet connection, more so WB need to buy a dedicated server for ddo. You dare ask for subscription cost.
Wait you guys over the development seems to forget to nerf all usable character to 1 hit per die and increase monsters fortification to 150%. Side that of option to use 1000 turbine points to buy a hit die because that will make the game enjoyable for the remaining small group that still remain in ddo servers.
It is truly wonder why no one has sued the lousy company this is of Turbine associated by WB Games. I know my clock is ticking on you.

Amundir
06-22-2016, 01:58 PM
...

Welcome to the board!

Lagin
06-22-2016, 01:59 PM
people need to buy better internet connection,
It is truly wonder why no one has sued the lousy company this is of Turbine associated by WB Games. I know my clock is ticking on you.

I run dual ssd's, hard wired internet that peaks out at 400 mbps and still have mild lag.

As for the second part of your post, be careful, it's close to violating Turbine's RoC and some vague law about suing people. :rolleyes:

*must be you use the mail & AH for storage? Otherwise you wouldn't sound so upset.*

slithyjubjub
06-22-2016, 02:01 PM
The anger about mailboxes is not about the reduction in capacity but more about people realising they're not as clever as they arrogantly thought. Personally, some of the enduring qualities of DDO is that it does require a little thought and a bit of hard work.

kathy1234
06-23-2016, 01:17 AM
you can buy some tiny khyber dragon shards and transform them into large one, and sell them when you need plats again.

yes you will have to suffer some loss at 'currency exchange' but at least that is another way to save the plats in your ingredient bags.


A very good question.

Also I'm getting another problem now: I've always used the mail system to store a large amount of plat for using it at the platinum AH. And now I am stuck: I can't buy things from the AH because the mail is overfull AND I can't get the plat from the mail because I'm at plat limit. This situation makes me feel frustrated. I'm making excessive ussage of the AH to equip my toons during their way from 1 to 30, mainly due to the limited storage space for items (I hate keeping much stuff in TR cache/bank... and have no mule twinks).

What to do now? Deleting all the hard earned plat is not what I want to do! Also I would like to be able to use the AH once again.

Horst-of-the-Wood
06-23-2016, 03:02 AM
Its not helpful insulting players for using the post as storage and causing lag. First, we didn't intend that to happen. And second, it was legitimate. Some players use mules/toons to store more stuff, and I was using the mail system therefore. Why not? So I am forced now to create mule toons to store my plat? I dont like to create toons just for storage but if that is the only solution (Wondering if it doesn't create more db entries and data transfer than using the mail system to store plat - doesn't it produce even more lag that way?). Also I am not a item horder, thats why I store so much plat to buy whatever I need whenever I need it.

What I don't get is this: the mail system is causing lag - so Turbine limited it. Why not fixing it so it doesn't produce that much lag?
Next thing they will discover: Raids are causing lag. So lets limit raids: On each server only 1 raid instance can be active simultaneously. Wonder what protest that would bring up. (And yes, this was sarcasm - but you get the point, right?)

For the 50m plat I have: who said I never use it? I am active on the AH, using always the full 50 AH/ 10 ASAH spaces I have to sell stuff and I am buying stuff I need, and sometimes I need more than 4m plat all at once (last time e.g. to buy dragonscales, a thunder-forged weapon and a +4 strengh tome each for 2m).

The main problem here still remained unclear: What happens to expired post containing plat/items/shards from players/AH/ASAH? And with posts from players containing only text? Will it be deleted automatically?

DYWYPI
06-23-2016, 04:13 AM
People still don't seem to have received in-depth answers to some very good questions; regarding the Mailbox changes from a Turbine representative; mostly asking what happens to "Pending AH items" should they be "potentially" sent to an overflowing mailbox? Plus whether the expiry date now correctly functions on AH items, and has the system already deleted historic past the "Expired" deadline AH mail prior to the 'Hotfix'.

If those questions were addressed, it would have saved quite a lot of queries. It always helps to communicate as fully and clearly as you can under the circumstances. Else the consequence of not being clear; you get people confused for d100 turns.


... What happens to expired post containing [...] posts from players containing only text? Will it be deleted automatically? ...

From my limited testing within the appropriate thread: "Upcoming Change to In-Game Mail" [Post #194 (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/476361-Upcoming-Change-to-In-Game-Mail?p=5839567&viewfull=1#post5839567)] I mentioned that on the surface the player-to-player mail system appears to be functioning as it did prior to the "changes".


[...] I'm not sure how it would deal with "Pending AH items" though. Since of course I just received the standardised message, i.e. [Subject: Returned mail: The Recipient's mailbox is full] as I was only mailing myself for educational purposes. Alas it did prevent bids on additional AH items. :-)

So the standard player-to-player mail from a casual glance; still appears to function correctly and that "unread" mail would be duly returned should the recipient's mailbox have 50 items. Presumably it also still gets "safely returned" [to Sender] if the Mailbox (has spare room) and the recipient had mail unread after a 3-week period (i.e. holiday from DDO) as it did before.

Like I've mentioned elsewhere; I've never been in the scenario where I've not opened my mail before the deadline, I've never abused the Mail system to store items Long-term within the Mailboxes. Thus I cannot answer some of the those other questions; I'm not mind reader nor Time Lord.

IntrepidBear
06-23-2016, 09:19 AM
Since this 'fix'
My game freezes upon logging out/quitting the game
Freezes my computer,
this never happened before.

And I was not hopping toons, just one toon, and when I quit, frozen.
Does it every time, even after hopping toons.

?? anyone know why this would be happening?
thx

Greantun
06-23-2016, 09:37 AM
What I don't get is this: the mail system is causing lag - so Turbine limited it. Why not fixing it so it doesn't produce that much lag?

The lag is caused by the process of reading and writing your character information to the database. From the snippets that the devs have stated about this it seems that the data is either stored in a single column in a relational database, or a blob in a non-relational data store. Having to format the blob of data is what is taking the CPU and memory on the server, and that is what is causing the problem.

For them to fix this they would have to completely change how the character data is stored, and so it wouldn't be a simple fix, and could potentially cause more bugs. I certainly wouldn't have written it to save the data the way they did, but that was over 10 years ago.

Sylvado
06-23-2016, 10:02 AM
How do development purpose to make ddo a friendly and fun game? All features build to give players some fun and lesser restriction limit has been taken without discussion of your player or in this case your clients desire. You know the finger is completely useless an excuse to find a way to give you more money as if tomes and adventure packs not enough. Why games slow part is people need to buy better internet connection, more so WB need to buy a dedicated server for ddo. You dare ask for subscription cost.
Wait you guys over the development seems to forget to nerf all usable character to 1 hit per die and increase monsters fortification to 150%. Side that of option to use 1000 turbine points to buy a hit die because that will make the game enjoyable for the remaining small group that still remain in ddo servers.
It is truly wonder why no one has sued the lousy company this is of Turbine associated by WB Games. I know my clock is ticking on you.

The mail system was never intended as an inventory system so how can anyone complain about a change to the system that is reasonable for mail communication but impacts the misuse of it for inventory management. I see the same problem in business where users use email servers to manage their documents and store 100's of Gb on the mail server, and then complain the email client is too slow.

As for dedicated servers, can people that have no understanding of IT infrastructure do some research before making comments. In a large corporation it is rare to use a physical server, everything is a VM and it is an improvement in performance over a physical server for a long list of reasons.

Then there is the legal threat, I love to taunt people that toss around legal threats.

Sshalis
06-23-2016, 02:00 PM
im gonna throw my 2 cents in and i know i'll take a beating for this.

this is an RPG. do you really think that a character has the ability to carry millions of plat in their back pack... ??? how much weight and space would that incur ....

or hordes of items in that same back pack?????

you would be traveling with ten, twenty, thirty covered wagons.... while dungeon crawling... while trying to sneak around (rogue) and there would be a gigantic procession following you ....

if this was, lets say skyrim, you could buy a house in a village somewhere and use it as your home-base.... then i could see having all the extras stashed there... tho security becomes an issue... 'while the home-owners away, the thieves will play'.....

i have always found it a reasonable challenge with DDO to use my inventory and have to make real decisions on what i keep and what i throw away or sell ..... it added a nice roll-playing feel....

as i see it: 1. A loop-hole was found in the game and it was exploited by gamers (nothing new there). DDO has found that it causes issues with lag.
2. Computers have an obsession with having to know everything and when a change happens to your character it has to re-write that knowledge base (and your mail is part of that data re-write) so it has to comb through all that data in order to make that re-write. this takes time and time equals LAG...

I'm ready for my beating now......

IntrepidBear
06-23-2016, 02:13 PM
im gonna throw my 2 cents in and i know i'll take a beating for this.

this is an RPG. do you really think that a character has the ability to carry millions of plat in their back pack... ??? how much weight and space would that incur ....

or hordes of items in that same back pack?????

you would be traveling with ten, twenty, thirty covered wagons.... while dungeon crawling... while trying to sneak around (rogue) and there would be a gigantic procession following you ....
...

RFLMAO... ya, true..
thanx for the true humour - glad I was not sipping my coffee it would have come out my nose.. lol ;)

Baktiotha
06-24-2016, 06:28 AM
My perspective is that observations concerning data storage and retrieval are likely nearer to truth than far from truth. It is likely the case that no matter how the data is stored it is stored inefficiently and very possibly with unnecessary redundancy. This is fairly commonplace and occurs because tighter, more efficient databases also require greater understanding of the interrelationships between data. It is faster to code if you just write everything you can think of every time you write to a database. Horribly inefficient, but easy.

The problem seems to be that when reading or writing in public instances everyone's activity has to make space for that horribly inefficient process. So, everyone lags.

Its too late to fire the people who designed the code and the databases. They haven't worked for Turbine in 7 or 8 years. And its too late to fire the people who contributed to the problem by not learning how the databases were structured but instead just writing new ones to handle whatever they had been hired to develop. Those people haven't worked for Turbine in 3 or 4 years. And you can't blame the current group of developers, they are just here until the job dries up or some other game company hires them or their personal ap/project/game sells and they can quit.

And nobody is going to come up with the literally millions of dollars that would be needed to shake DDO loose from WB & Turbine, settle all the contract and ownership issues, deal with proprietary concerns and then fund a rewrite that would once again make the code concise and efficient.

I personally doubt that much lag reduction will take place as a result of this change. If my game ever unfreezes so I can go back to playing it I might find out differently. But, I doubt it. ;)

Hakushi
06-26-2016, 01:24 PM
Yes, they should now expire correctly.

Also, the worlds are now open. Thanks!

Does that means that all mails with items from the Auction (expired, won or money from sold items) will now expire and the items will be lost? It's great for when people can't log to the game for some time, the items in the auction can be recovered and are not lost forever. If it means less lag from now on, then ok.

Cordovan
06-30-2016, 10:49 AM
Ok, what will happen to a mail upon expiration

1. if it has neither currency nor an item attached
2. if it has currency or an item attached and was sent by another character
3. if it has currency or an item attached and was sent from one of the auction houses (expired/cancelled auctions)

?

If a mail has an expiration date, it will expire. If a mail doesn't expire, then it won't.

LXP
06-30-2016, 11:16 AM
If a mail has an expiration date, it will expire. If a mail doesn't expire, then it won't.

Well, doesn't that also mean that mail from either auction house - due to cancellation, auction expiration, or winning it - will expire?

And will it get deleted in that case?

I figure what quite some people - including myself - would like to know is whether expired mail will get deleted or not, depending on any attachments it might have.

Cleanincubus
06-30-2016, 11:27 AM
Well, doesn't that also mean that mail from either auction house - due to cancellation, auction expiration, or winning it - will expire?

And will it get deleted in that case?

I figure what quite some people - including myself - would like to know is whether expired mail will get deleted or not, depending on any attachments it might have.

It will be deleted.

Anything in the mailbox before the patch will remain there until manually deleted by the player. Anything that goes in there now (post patch), will disappear once the expiration date is reached, just like it use to. The mail system doesn't care if there is an attachment (plat, items, guild invites, etc) to the mail or not.

Thar
06-30-2016, 11:31 AM
It will be deleted.

Anything in the mailbox before the patch will remain there until manually deleted by the player. Anything that goes in there now (post patch), will disappear once the expiration date is reached, just like it use to. The mail system doesn't care if there is an attachment (plat, items, guild invites, etc) to the mail or not.

even if shards are attached?

LXP
06-30-2016, 12:23 PM
It will be deleted.

Anything in the mailbox before the patch will remain there until manually deleted by the player. Anything that goes in there now (post patch), will disappear once the expiration date is reached, just like it use to. The mail system doesn't care if there is an attachment (plat, items, guild invites, etc) to the mail or not.

Uh oh. I don't know what everybody else thinks about this, but I think it's a bit extreme, and I wonder if there are any better options to deal with stuff attached to expired mail.

More specifically, I think that

- astral shards should automatically go to your account before the mail is deleted
- items should go to your backpack, even if it would cause an overflow
- ingame currency should go into your personal bank first; in case of hitting the cap it should go into the account vault, if available, and only if both are full, any remaining currency should be deleted with the mail.

Any comments?

cdbd3rd
06-30-2016, 01:32 PM
even if shards are attached?

Mail with Shards would be sucky things to lose, but if they don't expire like the rest of the mails then that would just be taken advantage of going forward. That would totally defeat the fixing of the mail system.

---

I mark my bill-paying calendar with little notes when I post high-priced or ASAH auctions for reminders to log in at least long enough to empty my mail (and roll any active DD rolls, of course) :)

LXP
06-30-2016, 03:40 PM
It will be deleted.

Anything in the mailbox before the patch will remain there until manually deleted by the player. Anything that goes in there now (post patch), will disappear once the expiration date is reached, just like it use to. The mail system doesn't care if there is an attachment (plat, items, guild invites, etc) to the mail or not.

Oh, btw: Is that a turbine official statement? If not, how do you know?

Duana
06-30-2016, 04:01 PM
Any comments?


Check the mail?

I know that is somewhat smart assish, but it is also somewhat serious.

LXP
06-30-2016, 04:17 PM
Check the mail?

I know that is somewhat smart assish, but it is also somewhat serious.

Well, I don't really know about either, but it definetely missed the question.

I might have to rephrase that, though. I was asking for comments about my suggestion for better methods to deal with expired mail with attachments - on turbine's side.

Duana
06-30-2016, 04:29 PM
Well, I don't really know about either, but it definetely missed the question.

I might have to rephrase that, though. I was asking for comments about my suggestion for better methods to deal with expired mail with attachments - on turbine's side.

Okay. I guess what I was getting at:

Unopened mail generally has an expiration date a couple of weeks out.

Opened mail, IIRC, is a few days.

If someone is checking mail regularly, expired mail should not be an issue.

It confuses me somewhat I guess. People are irked at Turbine for this, when the reason the change is being made is to combat lag (which everyone had the screaming mimies about) and because people were using the mail system in ways it most definitely was not designed to be used for.

Then again, all of my **** is on mules. 14 of them. I don't keep stuff in my mail so this does not affect me one whit. It is easy to serene about something like that.

LXP
06-30-2016, 05:13 PM
Ok, here my 2 cents:


Okay. I guess what I was getting at:

Unopened mail generally has an expiration date a couple of weeks out.

Opened mail, IIRC, is a few days.

Unopened, 3 weeks. Opened, 5 days. And even if you had less than 5 days left before opening it, it will be 5 again after opening.


If someone is checking mail regularly, expired mail should not be an issue.

Which isn't always possible. And in such a case, attachments should not be deleted, imho.


It confuses me somewhat I guess. People are irked at Turbine for this, when the reason the change is being made is to combat lag (which everyone had the screaming mimies about) and because people were using the mail system in ways it most definitely was not designed to be used for.

Right. As far as you might be refering to me, I'm not 'irked' at turbine for this, not at all - I really appreciate the large reduction in lag, and I think they did a great job in identifying mail as a lag source and dealing with it. Any discussion about the technicalities that made the mail system cause lag is most probably futile at this point. And personally, I'm not even affected much by the mail system change. But I am trying to get reliable, official detail information about how it works now, and I don't think that is asking too much. And agreed, it probably wasn't designed to be used as storage - but then, it was never said that it shouldn't be used that way, or that it would contribute to lag.


Then again, all of my **** is on mules. 14 of them. I don't keep stuff in my mail so this does not affect me one whit. It is easy to serene about something like that.

That's a manageable size, but not viable for everyone.

Cleanincubus
06-30-2016, 07:15 PM
Oh, btw: Is that a turbine official statement? If not, how do you know?

That's just my understanding from what I've read here on the forum and have heard from Cordovan in multiple Wednesday and Friday streams. They said they fixed the bug where mail wouldn't expire, so mail will now expire and disappear once the time has passed. I've certainly lost items and plat, before the bug, because I didn't get to it before it expired. So my educated guess is that this is how it will work again. No clue about ASAH stuff though, because I only used it once and made sure to retrieve the shards before they expired. But I would assume they will disappear as well, if not collected on time.

Duana
06-30-2016, 08:07 PM
Unopened, 3 weeks. Opened, 5 days. And even if you had less than 5 days left before opening it, it will be 5 again after opening.

Thanks.


Which isn't always possible. And in such a case, attachments should not be deleted, imho.

I was gonna say, "in a perfect world, I agree" but I have never seen a perfect world, so that's ridiculous. So, given how I know the world works, should attachments not be deleted, we would be right back where we were. It sucks. But sadly, it is. If there was a viable, easily implemented, alternative I would be all for it. Sadly, on my best day I am not smart enough for that and TBH this is really not one of my best days.


Right. As far as you might be referring to me, I'm not 'irked' at turbine for this, not at all - I really appreciate the large reduction in lag, and I think they did a great job in identifying mail as a lag source and dealing with it.

I was referring to folks in general, not anyone specifically.


Any discussion about the technicalities that made the mail system cause lag is most probably futile at this point. And personally, I'm not even affected much by the mail system change. But I am trying to get reliable, official detail information about how it works now, and I don't think that is asking too much. And agreed, it probably wasn't designed to be used as storage - but then, it was never said that it shouldn't be used that way, or that it would contribute to lag.

Okay, that made me laugh.


That's a manageable size, but not viable for everyone.

It could probably be half that many. I keep too much ****. I not quite regularly, but not quite seldom, pull some awesome loot. Sadly it is never for a build I actually use or, if I will admit it, ever will. But in the back of my mind is that voice that says someday..... Also back there is the "remember everbright!" voice.

So now you know. I keep too much ****, and I hear voices.

LXP
07-03-2016, 05:50 AM
I was gonna say, "in a perfect world, I agree" but I have never seen a perfect world, so that's ridiculous. So, given how I know the world works, should attachments not be deleted, we would be right back where we were. It sucks. But sadly, it is. If there was a viable, easily implemented, alternative I would be all for it.

Well, I suggested one. When an expired mail is automatically deleted,

astral shards should be transfered to the account,
items should go to the character's inventory (we already have a backpack overflow 'system', thus even a full inventory would be covered without the need of any losses)
ingame currency should be moved to the character's bank, in case of an overflow to the account vault (if applicable), and only in case of a vault overflow it would be deleted.

And comments for that suggestion are what I was and still am asking for.


Okay, that made me laugh.

Sad enough, isn't it?


It could probably be half that many. I keep too much ****. I not quite regularly, but not quite seldom, pull some awesome loot. Sadly it is never for a build I actually use or, if I will admit it, ever will. But in the back of my mind is that voice that says someday..... Also back there is the "remember everbright!" voice.

Mind telling that everbright story?

LXP
07-03-2016, 06:58 AM
That's just my understanding from what I've read here on the forum and have heard from Cordovan in multiple Wednesday and Friday streams. They said they fixed the bug where mail wouldn't expire, so mail will now expire and disappear once the time has passed. I've certainly lost items and plat, before the bug, because I didn't get to it before it expired. So my educated guess is that this is how it will work again. No clue about ASAH stuff though, because I only used it once and made sure to retrieve the shards before they expired. But I would assume they will disappear as well, if not collected on time.

Thank you for the information.

LXP
07-03-2016, 07:03 AM
Okay, but are you fixing the Expiration bug? In other words, will all those mails I have that say "1 day" left, expire the day after the patch?

I don't think it ever was a real bug. The expiration (as in automatic deletion) always worked for mails without attachments, whereas mails with attachments just kept their expiration date, but were not deleted. And I was assuming that was intentionally to prevent losses.

Uska
07-03-2016, 08:56 AM
Well, I suggested one. When an expired mail is automatically deleted,

astral shards should be transfered to the account,
items should go to the character's inventory (we already have a backpack overflow 'system', thus even a full inventory would be covered without the need of any losses)
ingame currency should be moved to the character's bank, in case of an overflow to the account vault (if applicable), and only in case of a vault overflow it would be deleted.

And comments for that suggestion are what I was and still am asking for.



Sad enough, isn't it?



Mind telling that everbright story?

No your idea still lets people use mail as storage without risk this fix was to long in the making

Uska
07-03-2016, 08:58 AM
My guess is the mail itself didnt cause as much lag as your mail monitoring software. I guess you're going ahead with this bad idea without pushing it to lamania first? Does turbine ever learn from its mistakes?

Its not a bad idea it's a great idea the bad part was not fixing the bug a very long time ago

LXP
07-03-2016, 01:13 PM
No your idea still lets people use mail as storage without risk this fix was to long in the making

Well, only for a limited amount of time, and the same applies to the current situation. The only difference would be that attachments wouldn't get deleted upon expiration.

Thus, I still support that the current situation is worse than my suggestion.

Duana
07-03-2016, 05:49 PM
Well, I suggested one. When an expired mail is automatically deleted,

astral shards should be transfered to the account,
items should go to the character's inventory (we already have a backpack overflow 'system', thus even a full inventory would be covered without the need of any losses)
ingame currency should be moved to the character's bank, in case of an overflow to the account vault (if applicable), and only in case of a vault overflow it would be deleted.


Using that list, why involve mail at? Str8 from auction to inventory. No mail. I am guessing somehow it is not that simple. Then again, if I had a nickle for every time I have assumed something wasn't done because it wasn't simple...


Mind telling that everbright story?

It isn't earth shattering in importance. Just that we get swamped with stuff, and I get rid of them because every time I opened a chest I got three of em only to regret it later as they are gone from the game. Everbright is just the one on my mind that day as I was running that damned kobold/ooze quest. The number of them I sold, auctioned or just trashed.....