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redoubt
10-21-2015, 10:57 AM
What do you think is better? Would run in DC during epic. (Assuming burning a +5 heart to get back to FVS)

14 Paladin / 6 FVS -- leverage HS and KOTC, higher saves

14 Ranger / 6 FVS -- crit range from tempest and DWS, DOD, TWF bonuses

Spoonwelder
10-21-2015, 11:11 AM
What do you think is better? Would run in DC during epic. (Assuming burning a +5 heart to get back to FVS)

14 Paladin / 6 FVS -- leverage HS and KOTC, higher saves

14 Ranger / 6 FVS -- crit range from tempest and DWS, DOD, TWF bonuses

12 FVS / 5 Ranger / 3 Pally - saves, TWF bonuses and T5 tempest, some SD bonues (MRR/PRR with only 6AP) n- no evasion
12 Ranger/6FVS/2 Pally - slighly less saves (-3) but get crit range from tempest level 12 core and no feat to spend on TWF plus evasion

Both get you your past life with a +5 heart. Not sure why you are even looking at 14 Ranger unless you are dead set on getting FOM as a spell.

redoubt
10-21-2015, 12:48 PM
Not sure why you are even looking at 14 Ranger unless you are dead set on getting FOM as a spell.

Hadn't gotten that far yet... 8)

I'd really like to try the light build, but I'm more used to melee, so I'm keeping a couple options working while I finish up the life I'm on now.

Thanks for the inputs!

Spoonwelder
10-21-2015, 01:40 PM
If you are more of a melee type and don't mind using the LR+5 I would suggest the melee route.....Ifind the light based option underwhelming and somewhat finicky to play (my opinion so take it with a grain of salt).

Warpriest/Tempest - TWF with ameliorating strike (up to 3 procs with doublestrike - landing in the 150 range per hit depending on spell power and heal amp) is a pretty substantial source of self/group healing if you plan for it.

redoubt
10-21-2015, 02:40 PM
I had not yet played around with the new tempest and dws trees. There is a lot of nice stuff there.

The Ameliorating strikes are intriguing. The person i'll be grouped with most of the time will be a druid, so we should both be good at self healing. Do you think it is worth dropping stuff in tempest/dws to spend 23 points in warpriest? (I ask because I've never used it and I don't know how much value to put on it.)


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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(2 Paladin \ 12 Ranger \ 6 Favored Soul)
Hit Points: 374
Spell Points: 657
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 24
Reflex: 26
Will: 13

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 8 13
Dexterity 20 31
Constitution 16 21
Intelligence 10 15
Wisdom 8 13
Charisma 10 15

Tomes Used

+6 tomes

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge

Level 2 (Ranger)

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility

Level 4 (Ranger)

Level 5 (Ranger)

Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Precision

Level 7 (Ranger)

Level 8 (Ranger)

Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons

Level 10 (Ranger)

Level 11 (Ranger)

Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack

Level 13 (Favored Soul)

Level 14 (Favored Soul)

Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense

Level 16 (Favored Soul)

Level 17 (Favored Soul)

Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons

Level 19 (Paladin)

Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Graceful Death (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Deflect Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Dodge (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Storm Dancer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Mobility (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Mobility (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Mobility (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Storm Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Elaborate Parry (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Elaborate Parry (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Elaborate Parry (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - The Growing Storm (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - The Growing Storm (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - The Growing Storm (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dual Perfection (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Evasive Dance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Evasive Dance (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Evasive Dance (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Many Cuts (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Many Cuts (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Many Cuts (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Dance of Death (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Exposing Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Increased Empathy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Versatile Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Versatile Empathy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Survivalist I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Damage Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Damage Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Survivalist II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Survivalist III (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Killer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Killer (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Killer (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Merciful Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Slayer of Evil I (Rank 1)

tsteigner
10-22-2015, 11:01 AM
I had not yet played around with the new tempest and dws trees. There is a lot of nice stuff there.

The Ameliorating strikes are intriguing. The person i'll be grouped with most of the time will be a druid, so we should both be good at self healing. Do you think it is worth dropping stuff in tempest/dws to spend 23 points in warpriest? (I ask because I've never used it and I don't know how much value to put on it.)



If you're not fixed on the crit mult incr. from either Ranger (temp. + dws) or Paladin (holy sword) you could also do :
12 FvS / 5 Warlock / 3 Paladin

saves you a +5 heart even and is very decent melee + spell dps
has enough feats to take : max, emp, quicken, twf, itwf, gtwf + iCritical (heroic); oCrit and (Precision / Power Attack / completionist) for 21 + 24 Picks
Enhs : ES (35), WP (22), TS (6), SD(6), AoV(11)

even after the "balance" change of warlock it still has titanic survival abilitys and good dps with burst, blast, aura, bb, DP (for Bosses)

Enh : War (23