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Gideon999
10-19-2015, 07:14 AM
Hey all,

I am getting a pure vanguard/stalwart build up to max level, and this is my first epic character. I have been looking at what gear would be best to shoot for in the long term to maximize my AC. I know I need to layer defenses like dusk and incorporeal for the real end game, but I want to get my AC up as high as possible as well.

Right now I am at level 20 fighter, 3 epic. I am using epic cavalry plate from the crystal cove (level 20 version) as well as a +5 mountain tower shield of heavy fort for my shield. With all things included this gives me about 108 Ac, or with combat expertise I think about 124.

For weapons I have Nightmare the fallen moon, tinah sword of the sea and my good old T3 positive green steel. Both of the raid swords were from the freebies we got in our reward boxes, I have not done the raid itself to earn these.

Saved up, I do have an epic elite (level 25 version) of Bastion waiting for me.

But going up to level 28, to max AC and overall survivability, what are the front line tanks using?

Thanks!

Epitome
10-19-2015, 08:54 AM
I recommended working towards a suit of Flawless Shadow Dragonplate (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Flawless_Shadow_Dragonplate_Armor) upgraded to Shadow Guardian (Shadow Guardian: DR 30/Epic, DR 60/Epic while below 75% health). The defensive gain of this suit is quite powerful. If you are concerned about passive shield bashes and off-hand dps I believe the best-in-slot shield currently is the Epic Demonic Slab (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Demonic_Slab).

Gideon999
10-19-2015, 08:57 AM
For the dragonplate, I cant seem to see what is needed to gain access to the forge. Is it literally just walk up and craft? I mean, I know most of the mats are from the raids (though some can be found on the AH of course) but is it possible to get the armour going without doing the raid?

Epitome
10-19-2015, 09:04 AM
For the dragonplate, I cant seem to see what is needed to gain access to the forge. Is it literally just walk up and craft? I mean, I know most of the mats are from the raids (though some can be found on the AH of course) but is it possible to get the armour going without doing the raid?

The cost of crafting the base armor isn't expensive. I believe shadow scales can be purchased on AH (http://ddowiki.com/page/Thunder-Forged). If so, you can just walk up to the alter in the explorer area and craft the base suit and upgrade it as well.

Gljosh
10-19-2015, 09:06 AM
For the dragonplate, I cant seem to see what is needed to gain access to the forge. Is it literally just walk up and craft? I mean, I know most of the mats are from the raids (though some can be found on the AH of course) but is it possible to get the armour going without doing the raid?

You have to own the "Shadow under Thunderholme" pack and it is pretty much walk up to the forge. No flagging, it only takes two items Coms of Valor (any Epic quest and Thunderholme rares) and Shadow Scales (Shadow Dragon Raid and Auction House). It is possible to just buy the scales and forge the armor, prices depend on server and season.

Gideon999
10-19-2015, 09:15 AM
Sounds almost too easy, LOL!

I will definitely be getting that shadow dragonplate then. Are there any other good shields aside from the one mentioned above or the Purple Dragon shield?

Also - I noticed on the dragonplate the DR upgrade shows DR30/epic. I may be getting this wrong, but doesnt that mean that you need epic weapons to break that DR, which every enemy in a level 20 or higher quest is? IE - that seems like a useless upgrade since every mob I want it to work against would auto-break the DR?

Gljosh
10-19-2015, 09:50 AM
Sounds almost too easy, LOL!

I will definitely be getting that shadow dragonplate then. Are there any other good shields aside from the one mentioned above or the Purple Dragon shield?

Also - I noticed on the dragonplate the DR upgrade shows DR30/epic. I may be getting this wrong, but doesnt that mean that you need epic weapons to break that DR, which every enemy in a level 20 or higher quest is? IE - that seems like a useless upgrade since every mob I want it to work against would auto-break the DR?

Most "Epic" Level Enemies are not considered "Epic" for purposes of DR. It is one of the more confusing aspects or DDO.

Theolin
10-19-2015, 10:00 AM
I will also suggest shadow plate

for shields .... I like Ultimatum (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Ultimatum)or PDK (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Purple_Dragon_Shield) the first for more sheltering if you have one someplace the second for the sov vorpal

Gideon999
10-20-2015, 09:19 AM
Well I went and bought a bunch of shadow dragon scales, so I can make the armour just not high enough level to wear it yet. As a consolation I made a thunderforged bastard sword with 1st degree burns on it for next level. :-)

What are the general thoughts on the other dragonplate armours? I have a few guildies who are not into the AH, and would be willing to farm some scales.

Fighter, Sorceror, Druid.

I was thinking the epic red dragonscale would be good for the druid, epic blue plate or cormyrian green for the sorc (she likes to wear heavy armour for the PRR), and the epic white dragonplate for the fighter.

I can help the fighter better now thanks to all of your, but for the druid and sorc would this be a waste since there is something even more awesome they SHOULD get or would the dragonscale solution be viable for end game?

Thanks everyone!

unbongwah
10-20-2015, 09:44 AM
Defensively, I agree Shadow Guardian is best, since it's still the only source of DR 30, which is arguably the only endgame-worthy DR in DDO. Offensively, I think Shadow Striker or flawless black dragonplate + EE black dragon helm (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Helm_of_the_Black_Dragon_%28Level_25%29) is best; or maybe ToEE armor + ToEE weapon for set bonus? [Too bad Spinal Tap (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Spinal_Tap) doesn't count towards ToEE set bonus; none of the named ToEE weapons do, bizarrely enough.] Basically the idea would be to use your offensive armor set for mowing down trash mobs and switch to your defensive armor set for the tougher bosses. Presuming you're willing to do the extra gear farming, ofc. ;)

Also, if you plan to make Nightmare your default weapon (at least until you farm up a TF b.sword), consider farming or buying a Planar Focus of Prowess (http://ddowiki.com/page/Planar_Focus_of_Prowess) for the +15 PRR. With the forthcoming nerf to heavy armor, PRR gear is going to become more important, IMHO.

Gideon999
10-20-2015, 01:45 PM
What nerf are you referring to in regards to heavy armour?

unbongwah
10-20-2015, 02:53 PM
What nerf are you referring to in regards to heavy armour?
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/466433-The-Balance-Change-post

Armor Changes
The amount of Physical Resist Rating that armor provides has been changed.
* Heavy armor now increases Physical Resist Rating by (base attack bonus * 2) and no longer adds Magical Resist Rating.
It's the loss of MRR that's really gonna hurt pally Vanguards; which means investing in better MRR gear and/or Sacred D. MRR enhancements. [Hence my speculation (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/466713-Builds-of-the-past?p=5708177&viewfull=1#post5708177) we might see some Vanguards switch back to pal 18 / monk 2 for Evasion + extra feats.] However, when I posted earlier I thought Planar Focus added MRR, but now I'm not so sure, as it isn't listed on the MRR page (http://ddowiki.com/page/Mrr).

Gideon999
10-21-2015, 07:49 AM
Oh man! How on earth does this help fighters to nerf the only thing they are good at?! Losing the MRR is going to kill our survivability... And then forcing us to take 4 feats just to make SOME of that back is pretty poor in my opinion...

Anyone know when the next pass on fighters is coming? They mention in the notes that fighters are behind the curve right now, and dont have powerful enough feats to make their bonus feats offset the other class abilities. Has there been any info on proposed changes or timing?

lyrecono
10-21-2015, 09:09 AM
that is being talked over on the thread, i suggest swinging over and giving your opinion on it

the changes are a huge screw up, imho

as for heavy armors,
in epic i could use:
20, pdk armor (pdk turn in in eveingstar), it's cheap to get, the set is a decent low lv entry into epics (or on some toons an old dragontouched if i'm lazy)
23, Embrace of the spiderqueen (http://ddowiki.com/page/Embrace_of_the_Spider_Queen), only on a tr, it requires some favor grinding
25 black/white dragon scale armor with a corresponding helm.
27, Emerald guard (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Emerald_Guard)& helm, until i can craft a shadow dragon heavy plate
I wouldn't use a cove cavelry plate, it gets less prr and mrr because it counts as medium due to the Mithral.

If you have a high lv alt i would grind a lot of the epic necro 4 gear, it holds up really nice at end game.

As for shields, the pdk shield (haunted Halls) is a good option,
if you use Sacred Ground, this shield (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Shield_of_Tireless_Aid) helps a bit
The wall of wood (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Wall_of_Wood_(Level_22)) is a nice leveling shield until his big brother (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Wall_of_Wood_(Level_24))comes around.

Ultimatum (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Ultimatum) is nice at end game

unbongwah
10-21-2015, 09:48 AM
25 defensive stance
16 Demonic Slab (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Demonic_Slab) (base 15 + Mythic bonus)
35 Sightless (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Sightless)
5 Circle of Malevolence (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Circle_of_Malevolence)
81 MRR (~44% reduction)

Stalwart Vanguards can pick up +30 MRR/PRR from the armor training feats; that's ~52.5% reduction total. Sacred Vanguards can pick up +40 from Sacred D.; that's ~58.5% reduction. In either case, you're giving up DPS (either feats or Enhs) to boost survivability, which is to be expected.

Vanguards will be fine, IMHO; you might need to redo some gear, but that happens with every Update. The ones who really suffer from the MRR changes are those who relied on armor to be their primary source of MRR: barbs, casters, etc. They can get 40 MRR from Sightless + CoM (or some other gear combo for less), but it's still less than what they have now. Not every build can or wants to equip a shield for extra MRR.

Gideon999
10-21-2015, 12:16 PM
True, but all of those are high level raid gear for the most part.

They keep mentioning that there is a fighter pass in the works, anyone know when that is supposed to happen?

Man I hope they give us a lesser heart, If I need to pay to respec 4-6 feats this afternoon I think I might put my fighter down for a while...

unbongwah
10-21-2015, 12:57 PM
True, but all of those are high level raid gear for the most part.
Demonic Slab drops from a regular quest (http://ddowiki.com/page/Multitude_of_Menace) in the latest pack. You can downgrade the helm to eMinos (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Mythic_Minos_Legens) (+30) until you can go raiding for Sightless. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of alternatives for Insightful Sheltering bonuses.