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Winter_storm
05-14-2015, 06:01 PM
So, was looking for a Bladeforged Sorc first life build 32 pt with Air and Force. I did see this one:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-449523.html?

From Singular but its setup for human.. It looked interesting, but having hard time with the skill selection. And not for sure if I should remove the paladin? I did roll with the paladin at lvl 1 and I leveled to lvl 7 (6 Sorc) and it seems the SP is lacking in korthos elite? Can anybody help? I have played casters before but never played a sorc.

Winter_storm
05-14-2015, 06:05 PM
So, was looking for a Bladeforged Sorc first life build 32 pt with Air and Force. I did see this one:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-449523.html?

From Singular but its setup for human.. It looked interesting, but having hard time with the skill selection. And not for sure if I should remove the paladin? I did roll with the paladin at lvl 1 and I leveled to lvl 7 (6 Sorc) and it seems the SP is lacking in korthos elite? Can anybody help? I have played casters before but never played a sorc.

Also would FVS lvls help?

UurlockYgmeov
05-14-2015, 06:12 PM
if you have 1 pally - you should really take 2 levels.... that way get charisma to saves....

at low levels just grab a greataxe and kill things that way....

Winter_storm
05-14-2015, 06:21 PM
if you have 1 pally - you should really take 2 levels.... that way get charisma to saves....

at low levels just grab a greataxe and kill things that way....

At lvl 1 and 2? or at what lvl?

yes true have played casters with Masters Touch and a two handed through low level as a wizard and FVS. :D

Thanks for the tip, though... Not many know that trick...

Livmo
05-14-2015, 06:26 PM
My Air Savant rocks. BF 1 level pali and 15 levels sorc. May or may not take the 2nd pali level, but still have a few more levels to decide. I don't have any SP issues. When I started my iconic at L15, I got rid of most the stock gear. Running a Livewood Core for armor atm. I started working on a Ring of Master Arty, but seem to be doing fine without. I'm am wearing one of these:


http://i.imgur.com/xMUPjPu.jpg

UurlockYgmeov
05-14-2015, 06:27 PM
AirForged the last Firebender18/2 Sorcerer/Paladin
Lawful Good Bladeforged
Level Order

1. Paladin . . . . 6. Sorcerer. . . .11. Sorcerer. . . .16. Sorcerer
2. Sorcerer . . . .7. Sorcerer . . . 12. Sorcerer . . . 17. Sorcerer
3. Sorcerer . . . .8. Sorcerer . . . 13. Sorcerer . . . 18. Sorcerer
4. Sorcerer . . . .9. Sorcerer . . . 14. Sorcerer . . . 19. Sorcerer
5. Sorcerer . . . 10. Sorcerer . . . 15. Paladin . . . .20. Sorcerer

Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt. . .32pt. . .34pt. . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .----. . .----. . .----. . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . .8 . . . .8 . . . .8 . . . .8. . . .+5. . . .4: CHA
Dexterity . . . .7 . . . .7 . . . .9 . . . .9. . . .+5. . . .8: CHA
Constitution. . 16 . . . 18 . . . 18 . . . 18. . . .+5. . . 12: CHA
Intelligence. . 12 . . . 12 . . . 12 . . . 12. . . .+5. . . 16: CHA
Wisdom. . . . . .7 . . . .7 . . . .7 . . . .9. . . .+5. . . 20: CHA
Charisma. . . . 18 . . . 18 . . . 18 . . . 18. . . .+5. . . 24: CHA
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: CHA

Skills
. . . . . P .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .P. S. S. S. S. S
. . . . . 1 .2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8 .9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Balance . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
Concent . 4 .1 .1 .1 . . . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .2 .2 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Repair. . . . . 1. . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
Spellcr . . .2 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 1. 1. 1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Tumble. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
UMD . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ½ .1 .1 .1 .1 .1½. 7
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .12 .3 .3 .3 .3 .3 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5

Feats
.1. . . . : Adamantine Body
.1 Deity. : Follower of: Lord of Blades
.3. . . . : Maximize Spell
.6. . . . : Empower Spell
.9. . . . : Extend Spell
12. . . . : Quicken Spell
15. . . . : Mental Toughness
18. . . . : Improved Mental Toughness
21 Epic . : Epic Mental Toughness
24 Epic . : Heighten Spell
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Electricity
27 Epic . : Ruin
28 Destiny: Hellball

Spells


Expeditious Retreat, Jump, Magic Missile, Nightshield
Electric Loop, Gust of Wind, Web, Snowball Swarm
Chain Missiles, Displacement, Haste, Repair Serious Damage
Ice Storm, Dimension Door, Force Missiles, Wall of Fire
Ball Lightning, Cloudkill, Eladar's Electric Surge, Teleport
Chain Lightning, Reconstruct, Tenser's Transformation
Prismatic Spray, Delayed Blast Fireball, Finger of Death
Sunburst, Incendiary Cloud
Energy Drain


Enhancements (80 AP)
Bladeforged (16 AP)


Improved Fortification

Mechanist III, Inscribed Armor III
Communion of Scribing III


Air Savant (38 AP)


Air Savant, Air Affinity, Greater Air Affinity, Conduction, Light on Your Feet

Shocking Grasp III, Spell Critical, Electrocution III
Spell Critical, Alternating Current III
Spell Critical, Charisma
Electric Loop III, Feather Fall, Spell Critical, Charisma
Lightning Bolt III, Wind Dance, Power of Force


Fire Savant (26 AP)


Fire Savant, Fire Affinity, Greater Fire Affinity, Immolation

Spell Critical, Conflagration III
Efficient Quicken III, Spell Critical, Fanning the Flames III
Spell Critical, Charisma
Spell Critical



Destiny (24 AP)
Shirardi Champion


Wild Shots I, Healing Spring III
Prism, Fey Spring III, Fey Form III
Rainbow
Double Rainbow, Elemental Absorption I
Stand and Deliver, Nerve Venom III
Audience with the Queen


Twists of Fate (47 fate points) - Error ;)


Empyrean Magic (Tier 3 Crusader)
Energy Burst: Electricity (Tier 4 Draconic)
Spell Augmentation (Tier 4 Draconic)
Legendary Shield Mastery (Tier 2 Sentinel)



Really have no clue about twists but:

Empyrean Magic --- lots of temp spell points...
Spell Augmentation --- better damage
Energy Burst - Lots of Damage
If using PDK Shield - might be good to twist in.

UurlockYgmeov
05-14-2015, 06:29 PM
At lvl 1 and 2? or at what lvl?

yes true have played casters with Masters Touch and a two handed through low level as a wizard and FVS. :D

Thanks for the tip, though... Not many know that trick...

Doesn't really matter - only thing really gaining is Divine Grace - so lv2 to help chop your way to level 10. :P

Winter_storm
05-14-2015, 06:34 PM
Ok have to ask. Why Adamantine body? always thought it was a no no for spell failure. But I see many builds for Sorc that have it?

Winter_storm
05-14-2015, 06:38 PM
AirForged the last Firebender18/2 Sorcerer/Paladin
Lawful Good Bladeforged
Level Order

1. Paladin . . . . 6. Sorcerer. . . .11. Sorcerer. . . .16. Sorcerer
2. Sorcerer . . . .7. Sorcerer . . . 12. Sorcerer . . . 17. Sorcerer
3. Sorcerer . . . .8. Sorcerer . . . 13. Sorcerer . . . 18. Sorcerer
4. Sorcerer . . . .9. Sorcerer . . . 14. Sorcerer . . . 19. Sorcerer
5. Sorcerer . . . 10. Sorcerer . . . 15. Paladin . . . .20. Sorcerer

Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt. . .32pt. . .34pt. . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .----. . .----. . .----. . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . .8 . . . .8 . . . .8 . . . .8. . . .+5. . . .4: CHA
Dexterity . . . .7 . . . .7 . . . .9 . . . .9. . . .+5. . . .8: CHA
Constitution. . 16 . . . 18 . . . 18 . . . 18. . . .+5. . . 12: CHA
Intelligence. . 12 . . . 12 . . . 12 . . . 12. . . .+5. . . 16: CHA
Wisdom. . . . . .7 . . . .7 . . . .7 . . . .9. . . .+5. . . 20: CHA
Charisma. . . . 18 . . . 18 . . . 18 . . . 18. . . .+5. . . 24: CHA
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: CHA

Skills
. . . . . P .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .P. S. S. S. S. S
. . . . . 1 .2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8 .9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Balance . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
Concent . 4 .1 .1 .1 . . . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .2 .2 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Repair. . . . . 1. . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
Spellcr . . .2 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 1. 1. 1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Tumble. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
UMD . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ½ .1 .1 .1 .1 .1½. 7
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .12 .3 .3 .3 .3 .3 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5

Feats
.1. . . . : Adamantine Body
.1 Deity. : Follower of: Lord of Blades
.3. . . . : Maximize Spell
.6. . . . : Empower Spell
.9. . . . : Extend Spell
12. . . . : Quicken Spell
15. . . . : Mental Toughness
18. . . . : Improved Mental Toughness
21 Epic . : Epic Mental Toughness
24 Epic . : Heighten Spell
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Electricity
27 Epic . : Ruin
28 Destiny: Hellball

Spells


Expeditious Retreat, Jump, Magic Missile, Nightshield
Electric Loop, Gust of Wind, Web, Snowball Swarm
Chain Missiles, Displacement, Haste, Repair Serious Damage
Ice Storm, Dimension Door, Force Missiles, Wall of Fire
Ball Lightning, Cloudkill, Eladar's Electric Surge, Teleport
Chain Lightning, Reconstruct, Tenser's Transformation
Prismatic Spray, Delayed Blast Fireball, Finger of Death
Sunburst, Incendiary Cloud
Energy Drain


Enhancements (80 AP)
Bladeforged (16 AP)


Improved Fortification

Mechanist III, Inscribed Armor III
Communion of Scribing III


Air Savant (38 AP)


Air Savant, Air Affinity, Greater Air Affinity, Conduction, Light on Your Feet

Shocking Grasp III, Spell Critical, Electrocution III
Spell Critical, Alternating Current III
Spell Critical, Charisma
Electric Loop III, Feather Fall, Spell Critical, Charisma
Lightning Bolt III, Wind Dance, Power of Force


Fire Savant (26 AP)


Fire Savant, Fire Affinity, Greater Fire Affinity, Immolation

Spell Critical, Conflagration III
Efficient Quicken III, Spell Critical, Fanning the Flames III
Spell Critical, Charisma
Spell Critical



Destiny (24 AP)
Shirardi Champion


Wild Shots I, Healing Spring III
Prism, Fey Spring III, Fey Form III
Rainbow
Double Rainbow, Elemental Absorption I
Stand and Deliver, Nerve Venom III
Audience with the Queen


Twists of Fate (47 fate points) - Error ;)


Empyrean Magic (Tier 3 Crusader)
Energy Burst: Electricity (Tier 4 Draconic)
Spell Augmentation (Tier 4 Draconic)
Legendary Shield Mastery (Tier 2 Sentinel)



Really have no clue about twists but:

Empyrean Magic --- lots of temp spell points...
Spell Augmentation --- better damage
Energy Burst - Lots of Damage
If using PDK Shield - might be good to twist in.


Thanks. was going air / force but this might be better since I don't need to take perform for sonic...

UurlockYgmeov
05-14-2015, 07:03 PM
Thanks. was going air / force but this might be better since I don't need to take perform for sonic...

yw - was going to use bracers of wind, cloak of flames, and blasting chime --- and probably s+b.... but still a couple ER's and IR's away from doing this.

just remember - very rough work.

Winter_storm
05-14-2015, 07:06 PM
yw - was going to use bracers of wind, cloak of flames, and blasting chime --- and probably s+b.... but still a couple ER's and IR's away from doing this.

just remember - very rough work.

True. Never had gear wanted drop. only found better stuff when they increased lvls above 20... Loots drops are very o-O

UurlockYgmeov
05-14-2015, 07:10 PM
Ok have to ask. Why Adamantine body? always thought it was a no no for spell failure. But I see many builds for Sorc that have it?

MANY ways to counter it --- and the MRR and PRR from it way out way the additional rigamarole of heavy armor.

Winter_storm
05-14-2015, 07:17 PM
MANY ways to counter it --- and the MRR and PRR from it way out way the additional rigamarole of heavy armor.

Hmmm.. will look into it. I know there is inscribed armor but is there a link for other things I can do to reduce it?

Winter_storm
05-14-2015, 08:27 PM
AirForged the last Firebender18/2 Sorcerer/Paladin
Lawful Good Bladeforged
Level Order

1. Paladin . . . . 6. Sorcerer. . . .11. Sorcerer. . . .16. Sorcerer
2. Sorcerer . . . .7. Sorcerer . . . 12. Sorcerer . . . 17. Sorcerer
3. Sorcerer . . . .8. Sorcerer . . . 13. Sorcerer . . . 18. Sorcerer
4. Sorcerer . . . .9. Sorcerer . . . 14. Sorcerer . . . 19. Sorcerer
5. Sorcerer . . . 10. Sorcerer . . . 15. Paladin . . . .20. Sorcerer

Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt. . .32pt. . .34pt. . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .----. . .----. . .----. . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . .8 . . . .8 . . . .8 . . . .8. . . .+5. . . .4: CHA
Dexterity . . . .7 . . . .7 . . . .9 . . . .9. . . .+5. . . .8: CHA
Constitution. . 16 . . . 18 . . . 18 . . . 18. . . .+5. . . 12: CHA
Intelligence. . 12 . . . 12 . . . 12 . . . 12. . . .+5. . . 16: CHA
Wisdom. . . . . .7 . . . .7 . . . .7 . . . .9. . . .+5. . . 20: CHA
Charisma. . . . 18 . . . 18 . . . 18 . . . 18. . . .+5. . . 24: CHA
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: CHA

Skills
. . . . . P .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .S .P. S. S. S. S. S
. . . . . 1 .2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8 .9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Balance . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
Concent . 4 .1 .1 .1 . . . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .2 .2 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Repair. . . . . 1. . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
Spellcr . . .2 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 1. 1. 1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Tumble. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
UMD . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ½ .1 .1 .1 .1 .1½. 7
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .12 .3 .3 .3 .3 .3 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5

Feats
.1. . . . : Adamantine Body
.1 Deity. : Follower of: Lord of Blades
.3. . . . : Maximize Spell
.6. . . . : Empower Spell
.9. . . . : Extend Spell
12. . . . : Quicken Spell
15. . . . : Mental Toughness
18. . . . : Improved Mental Toughness
21 Epic . : Epic Mental Toughness
24 Epic . : Heighten Spell
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Electricity
27 Epic . : Ruin
28 Destiny: Hellball

Spells


Expeditious Retreat, Jump, Magic Missile, Nightshield
Electric Loop, Gust of Wind, Web, Snowball Swarm
Chain Missiles, Displacement, Haste, Repair Serious Damage
Ice Storm, Dimension Door, Force Missiles, Wall of Fire
Ball Lightning, Cloudkill, Eladar's Electric Surge, Teleport
Chain Lightning, Reconstruct, Tenser's Transformation
Prismatic Spray, Delayed Blast Fireball, Finger of Death
Sunburst, Incendiary Cloud
Energy Drain


Enhancements (80 AP)
Bladeforged (16 AP)


Improved Fortification

Mechanist III, Inscribed Armor III
Communion of Scribing III


Air Savant (38 AP)


Air Savant, Air Affinity, Greater Air Affinity, Conduction, Light on Your Feet

Shocking Grasp III, Spell Critical, Electrocution III
Spell Critical, Alternating Current III
Spell Critical, Charisma
Electric Loop III, Feather Fall, Spell Critical, Charisma
Lightning Bolt III, Wind Dance, Power of Force


Fire Savant (26 AP)


Fire Savant, Fire Affinity, Greater Fire Affinity, Immolation

Spell Critical, Conflagration III
Efficient Quicken III, Spell Critical, Fanning the Flames III
Spell Critical, Charisma
Spell Critical



Destiny (24 AP)
Shirardi Champion


Wild Shots I, Healing Spring III
Prism, Fey Spring III, Fey Form III
Rainbow
Double Rainbow, Elemental Absorption I
Stand and Deliver, Nerve Venom III
Audience with the Queen


Twists of Fate (47 fate points) - Error ;)


Empyrean Magic (Tier 3 Crusader)
Energy Burst: Electricity (Tier 4 Draconic)
Spell Augmentation (Tier 4 Draconic)
Legendary Shield Mastery (Tier 2 Sentinel)



Really have no clue about twists but:

Empyrean Magic --- lots of temp spell points...
Spell Augmentation --- better damage
Energy Burst - Lots of Damage
If using PDK Shield - might be good to twist in.


To let you know. Lvl 7 ability upgrade is after leveling. So have too many skills for level 7. I was short one skill when leveling up..

unbongwah
05-14-2015, 08:40 PM
BF air sorc is a pretty straight-forward build; I posted one here (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/458781-Looking-for-a-new-fire-savant-build?p=5588614&viewfull=1#post5588614).

Also would FVS lvls help?
Depends on how you build it: AoV bonuses apply to Fire & Force spells, so they're more useful to Fire savants than Air; that said, there's nothing preventing you from doing an Air+Fire combo. The only down side is giving up lvl 9 spells and lvl 18 core enh to do, say, sorc 16 / FvS 2 / pal 2 or sorc 14 / FvS 4 / pal 2 like the Spam Machine (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/427033-The-Spam-Machine-made-in-Germany-14-Sorc-4-FvS-2-Paladin). The latter is intended as an endgame Shiradi build, though.

I know there is inscribed armor but is there a link for other things I can do to reduce it?
http://ddowiki.com/page/Arcane_spell_failure

You can pick up -15% ASF from Bladeforged tree, up to -15% from Sapphire of Spell Agility, and up to -35% from Eldritch Knight; so some combination will negate Adamantine Body's 35% ASF. Another option is to take Mithral Body instead: less PRR/MRR, but 15% ASF is much easier to negate (just 3 APs in BF tree) and it still provides some added protection; and you can always swap it out later for Addy Body when you have the necessary ASF reduction gear.

Winter_storm
05-14-2015, 08:57 PM
BF air sorc is a pretty straight-forward build; I posted one here (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/458781-Looking-for-a-new-fire-savant-build?p=5588614&viewfull=1#post5588614).

Depends on how you build it: AoV bonuses apply to Fire & Force spells, so they're more useful to Fire savants than Air; that said, there's nothing preventing you from doing an Air+Fire combo. The only down side is giving up lvl 9 spells and lvl 18 core enh to do, say, sorc 16 / FvS 2 / pal 2 or sorc 14 / FvS 4 / pal 2 like the Spam Machine (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/427033-The-Spam-Machine-made-in-Germany-14-Sorc-4-FvS-2-Paladin). The latter is intended as an endgame Shiradi build, though.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Arcane_spell_failure

You can pick up -15% ASF from Bladeforged tree, up to -15% from Sapphire of Spell Agility, and up to -35% from Eldritch Knight; so some combination will negate Adamantine Body's 35% ASF. Another option is to take Mithral Body instead: less PRR/MRR, but 15% ASF is much easier to negate (just 3 APs in BF tree) and it still provides some added protection; and you can always swap it out later for Addy Body when you have the necessary ASF reduction gear.

Thanks for the info. Unbongwah.

Nice to see you still in the forums. I've been gone a while and its nice to see a familiar name... :)

unbongwah
05-15-2015, 11:16 AM
MUAHAHAHA they can't get rid of me that easily!

"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop posting, ever, until you TR!"

:cool:

Winter_storm
05-16-2015, 02:47 PM
MUAHAHAHA they can't get rid of me that easily!

"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop posting, ever, until you TR!"

:cool:

Would you believe I never TR'd a toon? Maybe one day. :D so you r safe for now