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Blackheartox
03-07-2015, 04:44 AM
Basically monk and sorc debuffs stack and as provided here in a ss from moo you can see its multiplicative so it is not only 15% from sorc tier 5 +10% from monk debuff strike but actually its 26,5% weaken on a specific element.

Build concept is to take 18 sorc levels 1 monk for debuff strike /you can get full bab with a dmight clickie and use a accuracy item or use char to hit staff, the landing of the strike is not a issue for a character this is planned for as there are many sources to raise to hit/ and 1 fsoul lvel for fire/force spellpower and crit chance.

I solve the issue of to hit by going for 1 char in harper tree and pick up int to hit enchantment.
I have yet to not land on a non 1 to get the debuff proc.

Class is bf and so far concepts best name is ifrit. (because i love the ifrit summon in ff series)
/but good thing is we can use same concept for every savant giving us potentially 11.5% more boss dps over a pure sorc while keeping all our dc casting capability (1 dc does not matter nowadays due to increase of power and gain of 1 twist slot due to no need of cocoon)

That is quick summary
There are multiple ways to build this, i will show how i did and a couple more options in case people want this.
The same principle could should and i hope will be used for any elemental caster.
Keep in mind, you can play in shiradi as well, but this build is meant for draconic dc casting focusing on fire/air for maximum sorc dps.
Anyways to start.

I went with 18 sorc 1 monk 1 fsoul bf

So in short this is split/feats/

Ifrit
18/1/1 Sorcerer/Monk/Favored Soul
Lawful Good Bladeforged




Level Order


1. Sorcerer . . . .6. Sorcerer. . . .11. Sorcerer . . . 16. Sorcerer
2. Sorcerer . . . .7. Sorcerer. . . .12. Sorcerer . . . 17. Sorcerer
3. Sorcerer . . . .8. Sorcerer. . . .13. Sorcerer . . . 18. Sorcerer
4. Sorcerer . . . .9. Sorcerer. . . .14. Sorcerer . . . 19. Favored Soul
5. Sorcerer . . . 10. Sorcerer. . . .15. Sorcerer . . . 20. Monk




Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt. . .34pt . . 36pt . . Tome. . .Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . ---- . . ----. . .--------
Strength. . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8. . . .+6 . . . 4: CHA
Dexterity . . . .6. . . . 6 . . . .6. . . . 6. . . .+6 . . . 8: CHA
Constitution. . 18. . . .18 . . . 18. . . .18. . . .+6 . . .12: CHA
Intelligence. . 10. . . .14 . . . 15. . . .16. . . .+6 . . .16: CHA
Wisdom. . . . . .6. . . . 6 . . . .6. . . . 6. . . .+6 . . .20: CHA
Charisma. . . . 18. . . .18 . . . 18. . . .18. . . .+6 . . .24: CHA
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: CHA


Feats


.1. . . . : Maximize Spell
.3. . . . : Empower Spell
.6. . . . : Completionist
.9. . . . : Quicken Spell
12. . . . : Heighten Spell
15. . . . : Past Life: Wizard
18. . . . : Spell Focus: Enchantment
19 Deity. : Follower of: Lord of Blades
20 Monk . : Toughness
21 Epic . : Great Ability: Charisma
24 Epic . : Great Ability: Charisma
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Fire
27 Epic . : Ruin
28 Destiny: Hellball


Couple screenies how it looks at lv 28.

http://s27.postimg.org/qi3inb7tb/Screen_Shot00007.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/qi3inb7tb/)

http://s12.postimg.org/t3parp46h/Screen_Shot00008.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/t3parp46h/)

http://s4.postimg.org/hk3iiindl/Screen_Shot00010.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/hk3iiindl/)

I did a ee tracker trap and giant melted quite fast once i stacked all my imollations, issue is that i pressed wrong keys to printscreen.
It ticked for 2-3 k and energy burst alone was doing over 10 k averaging around 11ish.
Also it was not possible for me to fully stack all debuffs as i wanted since my performanse currently is horrible.
I will provide proper videos if people want, but build does exactly as i expected and a bit above what i expected.
I can clearly say it is one of best sorc builds currently available to be built in ddo.
Also in exalted and 2 char twists i am pretty sure this build can cc in ee mark with 2/3 feat swaps.
But that build would have a different focus
Currently on working trip away from country so the only provided pc i have to play ddo is a really really bad laptop.
Can see from a orchard slayer run how "good my performanse is" :
http://de.tinypic.com/player.php?v=29bbosy&s=8#.VQWQifmG9LX


Hope people enjoy it as i will when i get real time to play ddo again.

Fire spellpower is 520 standing with pots alone without metas without procs without fsoul/sorc/empyrian.
Twists are empyrian/bard ancestors stance/fires of purity/enchant specialist.
If we count in 30 from fsoul 20 from empyrian 25 from sorc and 225 from metas and bursted 50 from draconic.
It sums to 875 spellpower, add in couple pots maybe a different ap spread and swap in to libram after initial debuff and the spellpower can easily reach 900+.
Spell crit chance is 9plife+8sorc+2fsoul+1monk+10empyrian+22item+5base to a total of 57%, with libram its 59%, pretty ok and enough for my needs.
A lets say 850 fire spellpower imollation with 57-59% spell crit on a double debuffed mob is quite devastating and fun to watch ;)

Lonnbeimnech
03-07-2015, 09:26 AM
I would be happy if someone could name it properlly (in case you like it or dont) bdw, im really bad with names i usually call my builds the way they mix or what they do, so far friend suggested agni, magnus and i got the idea of ifrit.
Since atm it is really a fire spell power burn to ashes focused build.
Should be extremely strong and best as far as dc casting goes dps wise imo

The football bat.
The golf puck.
The steel toed flip-flop.

Blackheartox
03-07-2015, 10:22 AM
The football bat.
The golf puck.
The steel toed flip-flop.
flip flop sounds nice.
But honestly i generally dont care what becomes of the name, i like the way of thinking.
Example you can use sorc cores to increase druids dps, you can use monk finisher to add up vulnerability.
Those little things, could bring us some new sorts of builds, since casters havent gotten a straight out damage buff like melles did and are behind, they need to think of every single possible way for more efficiency

moo_cow
03-07-2015, 02:17 PM
It's only really useful on red names though. Which most quests have 1-2. Doesn't seem worth it losing the capstone IMO, but interesting idea.

You lose 1 dc, 1 mcl, 20 prr. You gain about 5 spell power, about 1 % crit chance, you also gain a few dodge points.

What I like is you save more sp this route. You lose slight damage on trash(who cares), you gain better secondary spell dps and you gain some boss dps. Biggest bonus: you don't have to look like a firesheathed monster. I always play pure when it comes to casters, but the advantages aren't personally enough for me to switch, even though there are some cool advantages.

I wouldn't say one level of monk outperforms the capstone though. Dodge IMO is useless on a character that doesn't get hit. Otherwise it gives 10% damage on reds, 1% crit, 5 spell power. I think the points in dodge could be better spent. (from my stand point)

Blackheartox
03-07-2015, 08:47 PM
It's only really useful on red names though. Which most quests have 1-2. Doesn't seem worth it losing the capstone IMO, but interesting idea.

You lose 1 dc, 1 mcl, 20 prr. You gain about 5 spell power, about 1 % crit chance, you also gain a few dodge points.

What I like is you save more sp this route. You lose slight damage on trash(who cares), you gain better secondary spell dps and you gain some boss dps. Biggest bonus: you don't have to look like a firesheathed monster. I always play pure when it comes to casters, but the advantages aren't personally enough for me to switch, even though there are some cool advantages.

I wouldn't say one level of monk outperforms the capstone though. Dodge IMO is useless on a character that doesn't get hit. Otherwise it gives 10% damage on reds, 1% crit, 5 spell power. I think the points in dodge could be better spent. (from my stand point)

You could take deflect arrows as well.
I played a pure sorc for a mmm a yearor 2 in total? prolly when i combine it all in ee.
Played a 18 sorc/2 palie bf as well.
A drow coouple times, and i tried weird stuff like elf and helf back in the day.
Specifically for trash control, losing capstone doesnt matter at 28 since held/bursted/vortexed/hellballed/chain lights + ball lightining trash even on a 18 split, just die.
Only thing you really lack is some boss dps, specifically lets all use the same example the giant in tracker trap, and ocasionall red names that have alot of hps.
What i like is how you also get force spellpower for ruin, so the builds is primarly meant to fix the weakest spot of sorcs.
Not a weak point, compared to anything non barb/tree/wolf/palie related tho.
Can maybe go head on with bards, is around the same til you stack imollation and vulner, then i think sorc goes into god tier with dps when you have a considerable ammount of fire spell power.

About dodge, personally i dont think il spent 4 ap on 3 % dodge, doesmt give me any offensive support, just put it there are option for people who like some dodge and i will most surely take deflect arrows myself.
I tried long time ago to test stormrage with combination of short casting spells, but it doesnt work, at least the effects it shows it grants and the damage is always the same and makes your head dizzy after a while.
SO actually for example for mark, def arrows might be a good pick or toughess/epic toughness combo for people who dont want to do mark for example on ee.
In case in exalted and twisting char, pretty sure i could do beho control since i managed to do it with offensive twists as hhummie sorc by just being in exalted, and i can make up for 1 dc with char twisted

(in all honesty i am trying to find a reason myself not to do this split since i also prefer pure sorcs, but i just dont see it unless if they plan to rework sorcs or something and add a interesting capstone and not this abomination)

moo_cow
03-07-2015, 09:27 PM
You could take deflect arrows as well.
I played a pure sorc for a mmm a yearor 2 in total? prolly when i combine it all in ee.
Played a 18 sorc/2 palie bf as well.
A drow coouple times, and i tried weird stuff like elf and helf back in the day.
Specifically for trash control, losing capstone doesnt matter at 28 since held/bursted/vortexed/hellballed/chain lights + ball lightining trash even on a 18 split, just die.
Only thing you really lack is some boss dps, specifically lets all use the same example the giant in tracker trap, and ocasionall red names that have alot of hps.
What i like is how you also get force spellpower for ruin, so the builds is primarly meant to fix the weakest spot of sorcs.
Not a weak point, compared to anything non barb/tree/wolf/palie related tho.
Can maybe go head on with bards, is around the same til you stack imollation and vulner, then i think sorc goes into god tier with dps when you have a considerable ammount of fire spell power.

About dodge, personally i dont think il spent 4 ap on 3 % dodge, doesmt give me any offensive support, just put it there are option for people who like some dodge and i will most surely take deflect arrows myself.
I tried long time ago to test stormrage with combination of short casting spells, but it doesnt work, at least the effects it shows it grants and the damage is always the same and makes your head dizzy after a while.
SO actually for example for mark, def arrows might be a good pick or toughess/epic toughness combo for people who dont want to do mark for example on ee.
In case in exalted and twisting char, pretty sure i could do beho control since i managed to do it with offensive twists as hhummie sorc by just being in exalted, and i can make up for 1 dc with char twisted

(in all honesty i am trying to find a reason myself not to do this split since i also prefer pure sorcs, but i just dont see it unless if they plan to rework sorcs or something and add a interesting capstone and not this abomination)

Have you took into consideration the to hit issue with this 10% increase? I know people commonly say you can hit anything, while this is mostly true on melee's and ranged, it isn't the case with sorcs/wizards. So it wouldn't be full time unless you decide to equip to-hit items and boost str. I only have about a +33 to hit on my sorc and I can sometimes hit mobs, but it will usually be grazes.

A solution to this could be pdk, charisma to-hit. However, this 10% increase to damage requires you to be centered I believe. So don't think you can use the ki strike with that method. This could be a solution though if you drop a feat on whirling steel strike. Don't know if I could recommend that though :P

Eth
03-07-2015, 11:04 PM
Have you took into consideration the to hit issue with this 10% increase? I know people commonly say you can hit anything, while this is mostly true on melee's and ranged, it isn't the case with sorcs/wizards. So it wouldn't be full time unless you decide to equip to-hit items and boost str. I only have about a +33 to hit on my sorc and I can sometimes hit mobs, but it will usually be grazes.

A solution to this could be pdk, charisma to-hit. However, this 10% increase to damage requires you to be centered I believe. So don't think you can use the ki strike with that method. This could be a solution though if you drop a feat on whirling steel strike. Don't know if I could recommend that though :P

Heroic Staff of Inner Sight? Stays centered since it's a quarterstaff and has Cha to attack.

moo_cow
03-08-2015, 12:11 AM
Heroic Staff of Inner Sight? Stays centered since it's a quarterstaff and has Cha to attack.

Interesting, I didn't actually know there was a cha to hit.

moo_cow
03-08-2015, 12:46 AM
(in all honesty i am trying to find a reason myself not to do this split since i also prefer pure sorcs, but i just dont see it unless if they plan to rework sorcs or something and add a interesting capstone and not this abomination)

It makes it unfortunate that sorcs are basically at the bottom of the to do list when it comes to these revamps.

moo_cow
03-08-2015, 01:10 AM
So i rolled a char on a alt server and asked friend to build a pdk vanguard and we started tests in marketplace.
Basically, we were trying to see if sorc debuff from tier 5 stacks with monk word debuff strike.
Someone alrdy knows the answer, but in all honesty i did not know.
I apsolutely did not know that those 2 stack, now i am not confident how they stack, i will try on a later time when i have real time for ddo again.
It could be first the 15% debuff then the 10%, or it could be they are additive for 25%.


Just because I was curious I decided to go test it.

In the screenshot you will see a mob with no resist energy and no mrr. I have applied the 10% debuff from monk and the 15% debuff from an air savant. To test the damage I used lightning mace, which applied 100 base damage. So instead of being additive for 25% it works as a multiplier of 1.265 or 26.5%. It's not really important though lol, it's not really noticeable I suppose.


http://i.imgur.com/Q8X9jY7.png

Blackheartox
03-08-2015, 01:42 AM
Just because I was curious I decided to go test it.

In the screenshot you will see a mob with no resist energy and no mrr. I have applied the 10% debuff from monk and the 15% debuff from an air savant. To test the damage I used lightning mace, which applied 100 base damage. So instead of being additive for 25% it works as a multiplier of 1.265 or 26.5%. It's not really important though lol, it's not really noticeable I suppose.


http://i.imgur.com/Q8X9jY7.png
Yes that is how i always assumed how damage debuffers always worked, or vulnerability debuffing spells/skills, multiplicative instead of additive /makes more sense that way.
Should be pretty nice damage on a fully stacked sorcs imollation stacking vulner with elec spells.
I mean a increase is still a increase heh
As eth said, sorry i didnt write, use the char to hit staff but you can use a dmight clickie and im pretty sure you can land the debuff that way, and as its 30 sec duration, its pretty good in my book

Only real issue would be red alert boss fights where you might proc only grazing hits and wont be able to hit correctly.
Also its simple enough to just add a accuracy item to gear
But even for that you can be in divine crusader and get full bab.
I mean there are really many ways to make it work

Blackheartox
03-11-2015, 04:34 PM
Interesting, I didn't actually know there was a cha to hit.

I decided on a different approach, it will end in several lesser hearts n such to find what i want.
But i went with max char 16 in and 18 con.
Droped idea to take dodge and be in water stance and instead took toughness and am in earth stance.

Went this way because my focus will be control and kill and not try to control while having backup of dodge.
What i did with ap is,´i rêally didnt take recon sla, it just costs to much ap for my taste.
And i took 1 char in harper, went t5 fire and most points into spreadout between air/fsoul/monk for dodge (will drop this prolly) and i took int to hit from harper, since it fit perfectly into the prereq for char.
Basically with 16 int 6 tome 2 from completionist and 11 /2/1 from gear im pretty sure i will always land the debuff.

It is just a build concept, but honestly i am really happy how it looks at 20

As 19 was air focused 18 sorc 1 monk and did some sweet 1.4-2.3 double hit ligh bolt slas ;)
I expect this to be alot of fun at 28

As expected, at 20 first thing i did was a solo of ee spies to get fast xp.
THe damage once you stack imollation is funny, any debuff even air one would be extremely potent.
As i forgot to cast ghero on myself named necro feared me.
Vortex and imollation alone killed him while i was standing there looking at him.
(used pin, but playing on bad laptop and as i was about to use ghero clickie i froze for 10 seconds and then was feared again blame the pentium 2 im playing on!)

Anyways, i suggest to people to do this.
I might add psreens and speed runs of mark or whatever if i get will to post.
But as i never so far posted any of my builds achievments i doubt that will ever happen unless someone specifically asks for it

Blackheartox
03-15-2015, 09:07 AM
Updated with build and some screenies,not theory crafting anymore

Blackheartox
03-18-2015, 04:53 PM
For people interested in doing speed runs, i suggest 18 sorc 1 ranger 1 monk.
As 1 ranger gives acess to sprint boost that is imo the best speedruning sorc build

pappo
03-18-2015, 10:33 PM
Updated with build and some screenies,not theory crafting anymore

Would you post your spell list used with this fire/air build?

Blackheartox
03-19-2015, 02:59 AM
Would you post your spell list used with this fire/air build?


http://s21.postimg.org/8c6fjprib/Screen_Shot00015.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/8c6fjprib/)

Can drop ddor and fireshield for solid foq and anothet repair

Eth
03-19-2015, 03:07 AM
http://s21.postimg.org/8c6fjprib/Screen_Shot00015.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/8c6fjprib/)

Can drop ddor and fireshield for solid foq and anothet repair

I'd rather change it for enervation, since you don't have energy drain either.

Eth
03-19-2015, 03:27 AM
For people interested in doing speed runs, i suggest 18 sorc 1 ranger 1 monk.
As 1 ranger gives acess to sprint boost that is imo the best speedruning sorc build

All sprint boosts are tier 2 since U19 (barb, bard and ranger), doesn't work.
If you go for sprintboost, barb is best for the 10% general runspeed on top and the extra sprintboosts from rages (requires tier 3 athletic).

Blackheartox
03-19-2015, 03:40 AM
All sprint boosts are tier 2 since U19 (barb, bard and ranger), doesn't work.
If you go for sprintboost, barb is best for the 10% general runspeed on top and the extra sprintboosts from rages (requires tier 3 athletic).

As i know in a recent test with iconic couple days ago, you can still take sp boost from ranger with only 1 level.
I do not know if that is wai.
Yea about enervation, will swap it out, just leveld it to 28 and putting main on hold while i do my bar bar bar alt fun lifes.
No point to play a heavy spam/position focused build while im not in front of my sweety (pc at home).
I put more effort into the split and enchas when i rushed this.
I would also change aligment to something that doesnt give me that bad looking epic litany icon.
It bothers me for some reason heh

Eth
03-19-2015, 03:48 AM
As i know in a recent test with iconic couple days ago, you can still take sp boost from ranger with only 1 level.
I do not know if that is wai.
Interesting.



I would also change aligment to something that doesnt give me that bad looking epic litany icon.
It bothers me for some reason heh

lol. My wizard build was lawful/good for a very long time for absolutely no good reason. I just didn't pay attention at character creation and previous live had some pally levels or whatever.

pappo
05-12-2015, 01:49 PM
http://s21.postimg.org/8c6fjprib/Screen_Shot00015.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/8c6fjprib/)

Can drop ddor and fireshield for solid foq and anothet repair

Thanks for the Spells list.
When you are in Epics, what are your primary spells against mobs, and your "go-to" spells for bosses ?

pappo
05-21-2015, 09:33 AM
What is the "monk debuff" you mention in this build ?

SirValentine
05-21-2015, 02:07 PM
What is the "monk debuff" you mention in this build ?

Henshin Mystic, Tier 1:
Elemental Words: (Activation Cost: 10 Ki. Cooldown: 15 seconds)
All-Consuming Flame: Fire Ki Melee Attack: You strike your opponent and speak the secret words that cause them to light up like tinder.
On Hit: Target takes 10% more fire damage for 30 seconds.