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redoubt
10-13-2014, 03:36 AM
I want to run a few paladin lives. 3 for heroic and 2 for divine sphere (can be done in three total trips to cap.)

BF is an obvious choice, but it brings the downside of not getting epic and heroic past lives in the same trip.
Dwarf is good as well and brings many great looking enhancements and dwarven axe prof.
Human is good as well and brings healing amp and an extra feat to pick up dwarven axe or bastard sword.

If I even pull a SOS shard I'll just do a BF THF pali... but between now and then I'm thinking of trying a sword and board pali. Vanguard and SaD both bring some good things. Too many infact. I've figured I need 54 in vanguard, 37 in SaD, 34 in KOTC and some for racial as well... NP, that's just 125-140ap... we're good here, right?

12 in KOTC to get divine might seems mandatory. 15 for exalted cleave since I don't see a cleave anywhere else. So call it 15.

In Vanguard I can see skipping the shield spec in each tier. That drops out 6AP while "losing" +3hit/damage/AC. (end up keeping T1 to spend 5 points)
Does stunning shield work? In Tier 2 you get stunning shield and brutality which is 6ap.
Fatal bulwark seems like a keeper in T3
What about armor masteries and shield? Are these worth doing. I've read that if you get AC high enough it becomes worth while. Also these boost dodge, which I like.

In SaD the first 2 cores seem worth it for the stance.
Then add dur def.
Same question for armor/shield masteries.
Extra LOH maybe as well.
instinctive def
aura for +5 AC. Again, this might be low hanging fruit, but then again, if I am doing shield and heavy armor, why not push up AC???
Greater defensive stances in T3 and T4.
reinforced defense looks nice but at 6ap for a 50% boost to EITHER shield or armor, I'm not sure this is worth it.

The racial trees have worthy stuff too.

Thoughts?

Bloodskittle
10-13-2014, 06:32 AM
So the first major thing to answer here is about stunning shield, yes it absolutely works and it works a charm, it takes your highest ability score rather than basing off STR so other types of builds are very viable, for example I run a CHA based character and I find stunning shield to be very effective in EE orchard. The main draw about stunning shield however is that assuming it is not a red or purple name that you are fighting, it will stun anything, I've stunned liches, earth elementals etc. However I think this may be a bug.

Also just to suggest a build if you're doing sword and board, PDK makes a very effective paladin, focusing mainly in Vanguard with heavy spending in SaD, KoTC in my experience is not all that great unless you invest heavily. Another thing to note is that the human damage boost and the melee power boost from Vanguard and the Fighter haste boost from Kensai are all on seperate cool downs, this makes for a very powerful dps boost when needed, however after some testing the melee power boost from KOTC is on the same cool down as the fighter haste boost.

That's my two cents.

Happy Hunting!

unbongwah
10-13-2014, 10:38 AM
BF is an obvious choice, but it brings the downside of not getting epic and heroic past lives in the same trip.
OTOH, the advantage to going Iconic is you get Iconic PLs as well; although the only IPL feats (http://ddowiki.com/page/Iconic_Past_Life_Feats) which interest me are PDK and SDK. But you could do 3 Iconic PLs to get pally x3 and IPL x3; then switch to your final heroic life to do your two ERs.

Anyway, for a pure S&B pally, my inclination is 41 APs into Vanguard for capstone, 13-25 APs into Sacred D. for defensive stance bonuses, with the rest split between KotC and your racial tree. I've spammed a few builds to the forums lately; here's the human one (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/449879-Build-Request-S-amp-B-Pally-Tank-Damage?p=5450899&viewfull=1#post5450899).

redoubt
10-13-2014, 01:45 PM
OTOH, the advantage to going Iconic is you get Iconic PLs as well; although the only IPL feats (http://ddowiki.com/page/Iconic_Past_Life_Feats) which interest me are PDK and SDK. But you could do 3 Iconic PLs to get pally x3 and IPL x3; then switch to your final heroic life to do your two ERs.

Anyway, for a pure S&B pally, my inclination is 41 APs into Vanguard for capstone, 13-25 APs into Sacred D. for defensive stance bonuses, with the rest split between KotC and your racial tree. I've spammed a few builds to the forums lately; here's the human one (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/449879-Build-Request-S-amp-B-Pally-Tank-Damage?p=5450899&viewfull=1#post5450899).

I have 3 PDK lives already and 1 SDK. I'll eventually be a rogue again and most likely on the SDK platform. Like you, I don't find the other two IPLs that big of a deal.

I have been reading your builds already. I do have a question. I saw you picking up armor mastery but not shield mastery. Why?

redoubt
10-15-2014, 04:16 AM
I don't have nearly the AP I'd want so I'm not sure the choice between human and dwarf matters much since I don't know how to find points to put into the good stuff in dwarf. Call this a first draft.
The feats are in no particular order except overwhelming crit at level 21.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.23.01
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Level 28 Lawful Good Human Male
(20 Paladin \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 498
Spell Points: 428
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 27
Reflex: 16
Will: 23

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 17 22
Dexterity 8 13
Constitution 17 22
Intelligence 8 13
Wisdom 8 13
Charisma 16 27

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality

Level 2 (Paladin)

Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Bash

Level 4 (Paladin)

Level 5 (Paladin)

Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery

Level 7 (Paladin)

Level 8 (Paladin)

Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 10 (Paladin)

Level 11 (Paladin)

Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery

Level 13 (Paladin)

Level 14 (Paladin)

Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 16 (Paladin)

Level 17 (Paladin)

Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Tower Shield Proficiency

Level 19 (Paladin)

Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Slayer of Evil I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Slayer of Evil II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Improved Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Light (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Light (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Cleave (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Cleave (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Cleave (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Vigor of Life (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Shield Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Shield Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Shield Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - To the Fore! (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Combat (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Vicious Shield (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Combat II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Vicious Shield II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Champion (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Specialization I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Smash (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Smash (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Smash (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Specialization II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Brutality (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Brutality (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Brutality (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Stunning Shield (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Stunning Shield (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Stunning Shield (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Action Boost: Melee Power (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Action Boost: Melee Power (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Action Boost: Melee Power (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Fatal Bulwark (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Charge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Charge (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Charge (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Myrmidon's Edge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Myrmidon's Edge (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Myrmidon's Edge (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield to the Face (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Disorienting Smash (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Disorienting Smash (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Disorienting Smash (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Rush (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Rush (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Shield Rush (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Pal) - Armored Strength (Rank 1)

Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical

Level 22 (Epic)

Level 23 (Epic)

Level 24 (Epic)

Level 25 (Epic)

Level 26 (Epic)

Level 27 (Epic)

Level 28 (Epic)