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FranOhmsford
09-29-2014, 01:12 AM
OK - Rules:

1) 2nd Life Character with Past Life Fighter.

2) Must be Elf

3) Multiclass Barbarian for Past Life/Ranger/Bard using Bow {Flavour is Bard on every life so must have at least 2 Bard Levels}

4) +3 Tomes used on all stats

5) Rank 13 Shiradi - Looking to finish Shiradi and go into Fury on 2nd Life.

6) Not using Otto's!

7) Starting with Lvl 1 Barbarian if at all possible.

Please Help.

unbongwah
09-29-2014, 09:54 AM
My first inclination is bard 7 for access to lvl 6 cores and Haste + Displacement; which would mean at least 7 barb lvls (fortunately barb always takes primacy for PL feats (http://ddowiki.com/page/Past_Life_Feats)), leaving rgr 6 for all the usual reasons.

First draft for a 7/7/6 elf build:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.20.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(7 Barbarian \ 6 Ranger \ 7 Bard)
Hit Points: 304
Spell Points: 266
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 16
Will: 9

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 17 25
Dexterity 16 19
Constitution 15 18
Intelligence 9 12
Wisdom 8 11
Charisma 9 12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 2
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 10
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 10

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Shadow


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 13 (Bard)


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Elf - Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Elf - Aerenal Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Aerenal Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Greater Dragonmark of Shadow (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Furious Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Pain Touch (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Demoralizing Success (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Do You Like Pain? (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Do You Like Pain? (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Do You Like Pain? (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Barbarian Power Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Barbarian Power Attack (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Barbarian Power Attack (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Like Pain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Like Pain (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Like Pain (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Cruel Cut (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Cruel Cut (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Cruel Cut (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Action Boost: Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Action Boost: Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Action Boost: Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Aura of Fear (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Aura of Fear (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Aura of Fear (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Festering Wound (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Festering Wound (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Festering Wound (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Hit Back! (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Hit Back! (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Hit Back! (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Dismember (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Dismember (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Dismember (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Bully (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Bully (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Bully (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Critical Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Critical Rage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Hard (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Occult Slayer (Bar) - Weapon Bond (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Occult Slayer (Bar) - Extend Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Occult Slayer (Bar) - Extend Rage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Occult Slayer (Bar) - Extend Rage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spellsinger (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Skaldic Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Fighting Spirit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Song of Heroism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Enchant Weapon (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Iced Edges (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Gathering Cold (Rank 1)


It may look odd to take Least Shadow DM on a build which gets Displacement eventually, but the 4 extra uses help stretch your SPs further.

FranOhmsford
09-29-2014, 11:19 AM
My first inclination is bard 7 for access to lvl 6 cores and Haste + Displacement; which would mean at least 7 barb lvls (fortunately barb always takes primacy for PL feats (http://ddowiki.com/page/Past_Life_Feats)), leaving rgr 6 for all the usual reasons.

First draft for a 7/7/6 elf build:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.20.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(7 Barbarian \ 6 Ranger \ 7 Bard)
Hit Points: 304
Spell Points: 266
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 16
Will: 9

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 17 25
Dexterity 16 19
Constitution 15 18
Intelligence 9 12
Wisdom 8 11
Charisma 9 12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 2
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 10
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 10

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Shadow


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 13 (Bard)


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Elf - Elven Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Elf - Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Elf - Aerenal Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Aerenal Weapon Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Elf - Greater Dragonmark of Shadow (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Furious Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Pain Touch (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Demoralizing Success (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Do You Like Pain? (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Do You Like Pain? (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Do You Like Pain? (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Barbarian Power Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Barbarian Power Attack (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Barbarian Power Attack (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Like Pain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Like Pain (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Like Pain (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Cruel Cut (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Cruel Cut (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Cruel Cut (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Action Boost: Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Action Boost: Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Action Boost: Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Aura of Fear (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Aura of Fear (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Aura of Fear (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Festering Wound (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Festering Wound (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Festering Wound (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Hit Back! (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Hit Back! (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - I Hit Back! (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Dismember (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Dismember (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Dismember (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Bully (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Bully (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Bully (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Critical Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ravager (Bar) - Critical Rage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Hard (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Occult Slayer (Bar) - Weapon Bond (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Occult Slayer (Bar) - Extend Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Occult Slayer (Bar) - Extend Rage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Occult Slayer (Bar) - Extend Rage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Reaction (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Whirling Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Spellsinger (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Spellsinger (Brd) - Lingering Songs (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Skaldic Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Fighting Spirit (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Song of Heroism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - The Poetic Edda (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Enchant Weapon (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Iced Edges (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warchanter (Brd) - Gathering Cold (Rank 1)


It may look odd to take Least Shadow DM on a build which gets Displacement eventually, but the 4 extra uses help stretch your SPs further.

Power Attack?
Greater 2WF?
Imp Crit Piercing?

No Point Blank Shot till Lvl 6?


I did say "Bow" Build didn't I?


P.S. That looks like it could be great for a Tempest Build that switches to a Bow from time to time BUT is the complete opposite of how I'd play this character.

unbongwah
09-29-2014, 11:23 AM
You said "using bow;" you didn't say "100% ranged."

FYI, barb rage disables Precision, which is why I didn't take it.

mezzorco
09-29-2014, 11:27 AM
Elf has no synergies with Barbarian.
Barbarian has no synergies with Bow.
Bow has no synergies with Bard.

This build is just something you want to make for flavour and roleplaying reasons.
So build it according to your tastes not bothering to build a good one.

unbongwah
09-29-2014, 11:29 AM
Barbarian has no synergies with Bow.
Ravager Crit Rage applies to ranged weapons.

Loromir
09-29-2014, 11:39 AM
OK - Rules:



7) Starting with Lvl 1 Barbarian if at all possible.



Just a thought, wouldn't you get more skill points if you take Bard or Ranger at Level one?

FranOhmsford
09-29-2014, 11:44 AM
Elf has no synergies with Barbarian.
Barbarian has no synergies with Bow.
Bow has no synergies with Bard.

This build is just something you want to make for flavour and roleplaying reasons.
So build it according to your tastes not bothering to build a good one.


This is DDO - Flavour builds still have to be viable!

And I take it you've never heard of "Bowbarians" or "Bardchers" - Both of which have been popular in DDO in the past!


IF I was sticking to the "Flavour" I would have also told Unbongwah that I asked for Barb at Lvl 1 - However: I accept that total flavour may not be possible!


And even though this character has the "Flavour" of having Bard Levels on every life - That doesn't mean he has to be full on Fascinator in Fatesinger!

His 1st life was {well still is as I haven't TRd him yet - Which is why the Barbarian lvl 1 isn't locked in!} 12 Fighter / 6 Ranger / 2 Bard and he was one of my easier characters to level {to 20}.

FranOhmsford
09-29-2014, 11:46 AM
Just a thought, wouldn't you get more skill points if you take Bard or Ranger at Level one?

I have this thing - Barbarian is a state of being - A Race more than a Class!

And this means unfortunately that I feel Barb should be Lvl 1.

Now - As I've said - That's not locked in just yet - I've held off actually TRing Jennantar although he is standing around kicking his heels outside the Reincarnation Grove!

Seikojin
09-29-2014, 12:08 PM
Do 8/7/5: Barb/Bard/cleric. This would give you some self healing, ameliorating strike heals, some bard fun, and barb fun. No matter the build you make. Throwers more than bow though. If you wanted bow, drop cleric and take ranger , drop barb to 7, and up ranger as the third to 6: taking AA related things so you don't have to dig deep in the elven racial tree to get it.

mezzorco
09-29-2014, 12:10 PM
This is DDO - Flavour builds still have to be viable!

Ok, I see your point. I even agree with you :)

What about 12brb/6rgr/2brd?

Barbarian 12 gives you:
- Greater rage 4/day
- Improved uncanny dodge 4/day
- Ravager

Ranger 6 gives you all you want from it.

Bard 2 is enough to unlock UMD, doubleshot boost and 4% dodge from SB, 1 CON and 6 PRR from WC.

Hope it helps :)