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Sebastrd
08-02-2014, 12:39 PM
What are the best weapons for leveling a pure swashbuckler from 1-28?

autochthon
08-02-2014, 12:47 PM
The best finessable weapon available to you at any given time :P

Swashbuckling stance means any finessable weapon has 18-20/x3 so really the question you're asking is "what's the most powerful finessable weapon available from 1-28" which I don;t know off the top of my head.

cru121
08-02-2014, 01:06 PM
I've used Guardian's Dagger, then Carnifex until I took Improved SWF.
Tiefling Assassin Blade would be probably awesome if you have one.

Livmo
08-02-2014, 01:42 PM
What are the best weapons for leveling a pure swashbuckler from 1-28?


Elyd Edge (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Elyd_Edge)
Tyrzza's Bane (http://ddowiki.com/page/Tyrzza%27s_Bane)
Turbulent Epee (http://ddowiki.com/page/Turbulent_Epee)
Envenomed Blade (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Envenomed_Blade)
Epic Elyd Edge (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Elyd_Edge)
Epic Envenomed Blade (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Envenomed_Blade)
Balizarde, Protector of the King (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Balizarde,_Protector_of_the_King)


These are what I used. However there allot of other weapons. I sorta had to go with what I had or could get to drop. Also, I did use some stop-gap Cannith crafted rapiers with red slots, while I aquired the gear above.

Scrabbler
08-02-2014, 01:45 PM
What are the best weapons for leveling a pure swashbuckler from 1-28?
The key is to find a swashbuckling allowed weapon (meaning naturally finesse, so no Longswords or Scimitars) which has an expanded critical range.

At low level before you can get Imp Crit, you'll simply want a Keen weapon (to get you to 15-20 x3 right away). Anything generic will work, or try Sheridan's Ruin. Of course Sky Pirate Dagger or Tiefling Assassin Blade are better. Once you get Imp Crit, you can easily pick up Nightforge Stiletto as a starter. Cutthroat's Smallblade is decent too.

At high level, Balizarde or Devour's Reaping. Or (with proficiency) Brush Hook is awesome.

unbongwah
08-02-2014, 02:30 PM
Basically you want Finesseable weapons with a larger-than-average crit range and/or multiplier, because they'll stack with Swashbuckling bonuses. A few examples (crit specs are w/Swashbuckling active):

ML:4 - Sky Pirate's Dagger (http://ddowiki.com/page/Sky_Pirate%27s_Dagger) (15-20 x4), Tiefling Assassin's Blade (http://ddowiki.com/page/Tiefling_Assassin%27s_Blade) (13-20 x3) [Hope you have better luck farming them than I have, though. :(]
ML:6 - Sickle of Sypheros (http://ddowiki.com/page/Sickle_of_Sypheros) (17-20 x3)
ML:8 - Sheridan's Ruin (http://ddowiki.com/page/Sheridan%27s_Ruin) or Wrack (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Sheridan%27s_Wrack) (15-20 x3)
ML:10 - Tharkuul's Bane (http://ddowiki.com/page/Tharkuul%27s_Bane) (13-20 x3 w/IC:Slash)
ML:14 - HE Skullsmasher (http://ddowiki.com/page/Skullsmasher) (15-20 x4 w/IC:Blunt), Razorend (http://ddowiki.com/page/Razorend) (13-20 x3)
ML:23 - Balizarde (http://ddowiki.com/page/Balizarde) or eSkullsmasher (15-20 x4)

Ideally I would say Sky Pirate -> HE Skullsmasher -> Balizarde or EE Skullsmasher -> Thunderforged light pick, just for those big lovely crits. :)

Scrabbler
08-02-2014, 02:40 PM
Ideally I would say Sky Pirate ->
Tiefling Assassin is actually better than Sky Pirate at low levels, because basically any crit from you kills the monster, regardless of if it was 3x or 4x. So the higher crit mult of Sky Pirate is wasted, but the crit range of Tiefling gives you a big chance to kill low-level monsters on the first swing.

unbongwah
08-02-2014, 05:27 PM
I've never been able to farm either weapon from 3BC and I've never seen them on the AH. So as far as I'm concerned, you use whichever you manage to acquire first, if either. ;)

Trillea
08-02-2014, 05:53 PM
I've never been able to farm either weapon from 3BC and I've never seen them on the AH. So as far as I'm concerned, you use whichever you manage to acquire first, if either. ;)

^this.

Good luck on those..

Sebastrd
08-02-2014, 10:40 PM
I actually have the Tiefling Assassin's Blade, so I'm set there. I used to buy them from the broker all the time and sell them on the AH for 2500 buyout :/

PestWulf
08-04-2014, 12:14 PM
What are the best weapons for leveling a pure swashbuckler from 1-28?

I personally think the best weapon from level 8 to 14 (and perhaps longer) is a drop weapon. For my TR character I've got a master craft (the cyan border thingy) level 8 Rapier that is +3 Keen with Heartseeker 3 (I'm almost positive it is a 3 and not 2, I'm a little fuzzy as I've gotten a couple different ones). When risia comes I'll put an Icy Burst enchant on it for extra juicy goodness. This will be my goto weapon for a lot of my TR's of the future.

My point though is that the dropped cyan border weapons you can get (masterful craftsmanship I believe) can net you some powerful combos of abilities very early in the game. I've seen at least two other lvl 8ish weapons on my way to 20 with my Bard that had heartseeker and keen on them and with the crit profile that a swashbuckler has..heartseeker is a huge damage bump.

Loromir
08-04-2014, 12:24 PM
From lvl 23 on, I'm finding myself always coming back to Celestia. The blinding and AOE damage just seems to be too good. I've tried other weapons, and Celestia seems to be the sweet spot for me.

I do switch to my Thuderforged Rapier for Red Named/Purple Named fights, but Celestia for Trash and Orange Named.

unbongwah
08-04-2014, 12:42 PM
I actually have the Tiefling Assassin's Blade, so I'm set there. I used to buy them from the broker all the time and sell them on the AH for 2500 buyout :/
Wish I had been that lucky... :(

Tilomere
08-05-2014, 02:48 PM
Sun Blade, Star of Day, and Celestia.

The glancing blows they give are attacks on each target in range that cannot crit. Exploit Weakness. GG.

HatsuharuZ
08-05-2014, 03:14 PM
Right now, I have a http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Bejeweled_Letter_Opener and a http://ddowiki.com/page/Tenebrous_Stiletto .

Note that the first one is keen and has both devotion and sonic spellpower. The second one deals both slashing and piercing damage, breaks adamantine DR and has ghost touch. Both of these are very versatile weapons. There are better ones of course, but my swashbuckler is only at level 13 at the moment.

Loromir
08-05-2014, 03:44 PM
Sun Blade, Star of Day, and Celestia.

The glancing blows they give are attacks on each target in range that cannot crit. Exploit Weakness. GG.


I would argue that Blinding the Mobs (Which Celestia does reliably, even in EE) is a good offset to the lower crit profile.

Seikojin
08-05-2014, 04:19 PM
I would argue that Blinding the Mobs (Which Celestia does reliably, even in EE) is a good offset to the lower crit profile.

So would I. Save the x4's for bosses.

Jhaeran
08-05-2014, 07:18 PM
My new swash is lvl 16. I picked up a skullsmasher elite (lvl 14), but I keep coming back to the Guardian of the Liturgy. Lvl 12, +5, bleed and heartseeker IV with a red slot. Not sure if its the extra crits with the expanded range plus iCrit pierce or the bleed + bigger add-on crits but it seems like the x3 + heartseeker is better than the x4 from skullsmasher + ribcracker.

I just switched moved my turbulent and envenomed bladed over from another toon. Will see if I stay with envenomed or go back to the Liturgy after staying with it for 4 levels.

Loromir
08-06-2014, 12:28 PM
My new swash is lvl 16. I picked up a skullsmasher elite (lvl 14), but I keep coming back to the Guardian of the Liturgy. Lvl 12, +5, bleed and heartseeker IV with a red slot. Not sure if its the extra crits with the expanded range plus iCrit pierce or the bleed + bigger add-on crits but it seems like the x3 + heartseeker is better than the x4 from skullsmasher + ribcracker.

I just switched moved my turbulent and envenomed bladed over from another toon. Will see if I stay with envenomed or go back to the Liturgy after staying with it for 4 levels.


For the lower levels, I kept coming back to my Fell Rapier of Ice (1.5W and red slot). Turbulent Epee was obvious for DR breaking.

Scrabbler
08-07-2014, 09:42 PM
Warning, do not use Axe of the Unseen Blow for Bards.

It looks like a decent weapon that would give you 15-20x4 crits. But contrary to the item text, it doesn't count as a Finesse weapon for Swashbuckling mode. You're stuck at 19-20x4, so an ordinary Light Pick would be better (that would allow Exploit Weakness).

I wonder if this is because of the bonus "Finesse" property on the weapon, or the reduced offhand penalty. Either way, by the time you notice this failure you've already got it bound to character...

johnnyputrid
08-08-2014, 05:44 AM
I used the http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Sacrificial_Dagger quite a bit from 20-28 and it performs very well if you don't really care about running quests on EE. The life stealing effect goes off quite a bit, even after the recent nerf. I've also done some recent experimenting with the http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Polycurse_Dagger and it works surprisingly well. It isn't massive damage like some of the other named swashbuckling-capable weapons out there, but you will see quite a few Bestow Curses and level drains inflicted on mobs. And if you keep yourself displaced at all times, you probably will only get the Curse Vector applied to you once in a blue moon. Not a fantastic weapon, but fun to toy around with. The Deception proc also goes off often enough to make it fun to use.

btolson
08-09-2014, 07:50 AM
Warning, do not use Axe of the Unseen Blow for Bards.

It looks like a decent weapon that would give you 15-20x4 crits. But contrary to the item text, it doesn't count as a Finesse weapon for Swashbuckling mode. You're stuck at 19-20x4, so an ordinary Light Pick would be better (that would allow Exploit Weakness).

I wonder if this is because of the bonus "Finesse" property on the weapon, or the reduced offhand penalty. Either way, by the time you notice this failure you've already got it bound to character...

If it's Finesse that's causing it, then something like Epic Midnight Greetings won't work either. If anyone has one sitting on a bard, they could test this.