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Vanhooger
07-29-2014, 11:32 AM
I need to do another druid life, and something came to my mind, but since I never saw something like that in game I was wondering that is actually a very bad idea.

So the idea was:

17 druid, fire elemental max wis caster
2 fighter for 2 feat
1 monk another feat or ranger
and be Human another feat and heal amp

Primary as a caster (plus all the immunity the elemental form gives) and sp efficency with a bit of dps while cc mob with earthquake ecc. Great self healing.

Am I dreaming or is it possible to build something like that?

Feat:

1 quicken, empower heal
3 Maximize
6 Mental toughness
9 Improved Mental thoughness
12 Improved critical slashing
15 Evocation focus
18 2wf, Itwf (fighter)
19 Gtwf (fighter)
21 Epic mental toughness
24 Greater Evocation focus
27 Epic evocation focus

ED Crausader

Twist : (max sustainable for my main 4-3-1-1)

Energy burst 4
Magister Evo specialist 3
Cocoon 1
Endless faith/ A dance of flower 1


Basically a max wis caster in elemental form using wis to dmg with those flame blade scimitars, to put out some dps.

But dunno if those flame scimitar are any good in EE content, or at least EH/EN...

Any thought?

Vanhooger
07-30-2014, 05:55 AM
41 views and no reply, got it, it;s a terrible idea :)

Rush007
07-30-2014, 08:44 AM
Flame blade at best at 20 caster levels is 2(1d6). That is a lot of investment to swing that type of weapon at 28.

Vanhooger
07-30-2014, 09:24 AM
I wish there was some nice wepon or ench to put dmg on wis :(

Lonnbeimnech
07-30-2014, 10:35 AM
If you are doing this for a druid life, why bother with 21-28?

wis to damage is going to be pretty weak in ee. Add to that flame blade doesnt do any physical damage, it's base damage is fire, and lots of things are resistant to fire. It doesn't matter too much on say a sorc hitting for 1500 damage with a dbf, but a druid hitting for 40 damage a swing, a resistance of 30 is going to slow you down quite a bit.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Stave_of_the_Seer This is pretty darn good in heroic, good luck finding one tho.
http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Staff_of_Inner_Sight isnt terrible either.

unbongwah
07-30-2014, 10:46 AM
Would would you do monk 1 / ftr 2 rather than monk 2 / ftr 1? Do you hate Evasion for some reason? And why would you take Energy Burst on a WIS caster; isn't its DC based in INT/CHA?

I think this would work best as a WIS-based unarmed build w/Stunning Fist; your melee DPS will only be so-so, but being able to render targets helpless means +50% dmg. Druid 17 / monk 2 / ftr or wiz 1 (depending on whether you'd rather have Haste Boost or extra spell crit chance from Archmage).

Purkilius
07-30-2014, 11:23 AM
Best caster druids are IMO 15 druid 4 fvs 1 your flavor of choice.

I you want melee I would do 17 druid 2 monk 1 fighter (2 levels of rogue are also good) Staff wielder, enough strength for OC rest in wisdom but do but some points in cha or int for energy burst it is just freaking awesome having that twisted.

Quick strike and fists of iron with the cleaves on top of EQ and icestorm will clear any pack of mobs fast. You can use Shillelagh on the Stout Oak Walking stick and Twilight.

Edit: for leveling you can craft a GS qstaff with solid fog clickie which you can use (after getting better qstaffs) for that -10 reflex debuff ;)

You will not need cocoon on a druid!

Flameblades are trash IMO

Note that 17 of druid is for mantle and thats a -4 debuff for your EQ iirc it also slows the mobs down hate to chase lol.

Lonnbeimnech
07-30-2014, 11:27 AM
Would would you do monk 1 / ftr 2 rather than monk 2 / ftr 1? Do you hate Evasion for some reason? And why would you take Energy Burst on a WIS caster; isn't its DC based in INT/CHA?

I think this would work best as a WIS-based unarmed build w/Stunning Fist; your melee DPS will only be so-so, but being able to render targets helpless means +50% dmg. Druid 17 / monk 2 / ftr or wiz 1 (depending on whether you'd rather have Haste Boost or extra spell crit chance from Archmage).

Balanced attacks would also be nice on a high attack speed (fatal harrier) twf build.

cru121
07-30-2014, 11:56 AM
Why bother with lesser classes? This build needs more bard ;)

Bard 3:
13 AP in spellsinger for +3 DC instead of the Evo Focus feats
6 AP in swash for 18-20x3

SWF instead of TWF. Swing something keen, such as balizarde.

(Disclaimer: A bit tongue-in-cheek, but could work a bit better than OP's build.)

ArcaneArcher52689
07-30-2014, 12:08 PM
My latest thoughts for a druid caster/melee was this:

18/2 druid/monk
feats:10 heroic/3epic/2ED
swf-monk
iswf
gswf
ic:slash
maximize
empower
quicken
heighten
dodge(monk)
sf: evo
epic:
gsf evo
esf evo
ruin
ED:
mass frog
??
with 50 wisdom, that's +40 damage w/ flameblade. Fatal harrier gives you +25% attack speed, along with gswf gives you 55% attack speed. Fatal harrier also triggers off your spell kills. Combine the sheer number of strikes with earthquakes and the Divine crusader ED and fun stuff will happen.

unbongwah
07-30-2014, 12:52 PM
Bard 3:
13 AP in spellsinger for +3 DC instead of the Evo Focus feats
6 AP in swash for 18-20x3

SWF instead of TWF. Swing something keen, such as balizarde.
Interesting idea: were you thinking of going S&B or using an orb in the offhand?

Vanhooger
07-31-2014, 06:14 AM
Thanks for all the reply, really appreciated. The 17 druid 3 bard is really interesting option, and I was thinking about that build as well, but I just went pure caster Druid so all my wierd thoughts are gone.

Anyway, if someone is trying that 17druid/3bard, I would like some feedback :)

giftie
08-12-2014, 03:56 PM
Thanks for all the reply, really appreciated. The 17 druid 3 bard is really interesting option, and I was thinking about that build as well, but I just went pure caster Druid so all my wierd thoughts are gone.

Anyway, if someone is trying that 17druid/3bard, I would like some feedback :)

I'm trying that, at the moment level 18. I was a bit reluctant to splash Bard, since my choice of elemental Druid was something non-FOTM.

But there's a strong argument for splashing even a caster Druid. Capstone is all but useless. Core V is decent, but 2 minute CD on an SLA makes it much less appealing. And once I realized I actually gain 1-2 DC (I get about 15 minutes of Spell Song Trance per shrine) by splashing, it was a no-brainer. And that's not even taking Swashbuckling into account.

My feat setup:

SWF x 3, IC: Slash and EWP: Kama (13-20 x4 crit profile with Brush Hook), Maximize, Empower, Quicken and SF: Evo, SM and ISM as epic feats (since those rely on twists for best effect).

Currently using single-weapon Brush Hook setup, but I aim at adding a TF Orb in Epic levels at least while LSM works with Swashbuckling orbs.

Rough AP spread: is Herald ~40, SB: 13 (want DEX-to-damage), SS: 12, Human: 5. I'm not sure what to do about the 10-ish remaining points.

ED either EA (+3 DC is really hard to pass up), Primal (for the caster levels and at-will evasion via wolf form) or DC (for general melee goodness). Planned twists are LSM, Evo Specialization and Precise casting: Evo.

EWP: Kama and SM+ISM are luxury feats and can be traded for more caster feats, but I found them quite worthwhile on my Swashbuckler. Notably, Skullsmasher might be a better choice of weapon since it uses IC: Blunt anyway.

EDIT: Oh, forgot to mention - I really like it. It actually feels much stronger than my pure Spellsinger (EQ doesn't require spell pen), and the loss of capstone, SoV SLA and putting Grave Wrappings on pet are easy enough to pass up compared to non-trivial DPS..I really could use a third level 9 spell slot though, since I'd like to fit all of Mantle, SoV and Mass Regen.

unbongwah
08-12-2014, 06:17 PM
Core V is decent, but 2 minute CD on an SLA makes it much less appealing.
While that's true, remember (A) you can alternate with the regular SoV spell, which has a 1-min. CD and (B) since it's an SLA, if can be meta'ed for free.

Lonnbeimnech
08-12-2014, 07:20 PM
but I aim at adding a TF Orb in Epic levels at least while LSM works with Swashbuckling orbs.

TF orbs are metal and break the druid oath.

giftie
08-13-2014, 07:34 AM
While that's true, remember (A) you can alternate with the regular SoV spell, which has a 1-min. CD and (B) since it's an SLA, if can be meta'ed for free.

Agreed. Useful, but not a deal breaker.


TF orbs are metal and break the druid oath.

Bleh. Of course. Orbs are typed as shields and not weapons.

Oh well. I guess it's Admiral's Tiller and Sage's Locket, then.

unbongwah
08-13-2014, 11:56 AM
Fortunately, every named orb is gem, so you can use one of them instead, like an Wizard's Ward (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Wizard%27s_Ward_%28Level_25%29) or Nether Orb (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Nether_Orb).

giftie
08-14-2014, 08:55 AM
Fortunately, every named orb is gem, so you can use one of them instead, like an Wizard's Ward (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Wizard%27s_Ward_%28Level_25%29) or Nether Orb (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Nether_Orb).

I considered a Nether Orb, mostly to free up the neck slot for Mystic Eidolons or Jorg's collar. It's a more a practical matter of acquiring one in my case.