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arcane_nite
07-21-2014, 11:50 AM
So I am back after a 4 year layoff. I have a monk with a ac of 82, dodge 20%, and dusk 10%. What I am noticing is that I get hit regularly. What is the max ac? What is the figure to make it relevant again? Please advise and thanks all.

Noctus
07-21-2014, 12:14 PM
AC has been completly reworked.

Instead of a 20-points-wide range where AC "works as intended", instead of being either always-hit or always-miss, we now have a very wide AC curve. It means more AC --> better. Always. You just have to think of diminishing returns and opportunity cost in raising your AC.

Forget the old AC only is worth it if i can reach 90% avoidance by AC chance.


http://ddowiki.com/page/Armor_Class

Rykka
07-21-2014, 08:45 PM
The link provided by Noctus pretty well explains DDO's attack bonus vs AC mechanics. Look to other forms of defense; Dodge, blur/displacement, discorporeal, Physical Resistance (PRR) first. They provide fixed values of melee defense that aren't reduced attacker abilities. only develop AC after that as a supplement

You should have 28Dodge as a monk. You should have and use the Ninja Spy's Lvl 6 Core Enhancement Shadow Veil (25% discorp) no matter which tree you take to T5, and blur with at least parttime dislacement.

drnknmnky
07-23-2014, 09:20 PM
So do u try to get as many of those types of mitigation as you can? I am playing a tempest ranger so some of my feats and enhancements are helping with dodge but what I have read about PRR my light armor doesn't offer much of that.. I have some items that I am 3 levels away from using that give blur/ and or incorporeal. Do u guys plan out named items you want as you level up and either get the items from your bank or just run the quests til you get the items? Other than just KNOWING it because u know the game, is there anywhere I can look to give me guidelines on what these types of numbers should be at for types of characters at certain levels. I am 19th level and on an elite 17th level run with a hireling healer 3 mountain lions just tore me up

EllisDee37
07-23-2014, 09:40 PM
Cloak of Invisibility from Tempest Spine is one of the better heroic ghostly items. It can be solo farmed pretty easily. (Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkhhCYnNiUE).)

Permablur can be slotted with the cannith challenge bracers, as low as ML3, but higher MLs also offer dodge bonus. (ML11 = 4% dodge, ML15 = 6%.) For tips on farming bracers of wind, see Cannith Challenge Tutorials linked in sig.

The PRR you get from light armor is less than you get from heavy armor, however, the PRR you get from enhancements is the same no matter what kind of armor you wear.

Rykka
07-23-2014, 10:44 PM
So do u try to get as many of those types of mitigation as you can? I am playing a tempest ranger so some of my feats and enhancements are helping with dodge but what I have read about PRR my light armor doesn't offer much of that.. I have some items that I am 3 levels away from using that give blur/ and or incorporeal. Do u guys plan out named items you want as you level up and either get the items from your bank or just run the quests til you get the items? Other than just KNOWING it because u know the game, is there anywhere I can look to give me guidelines on what these types of numbers should be at for types of characters at certain levels. I am 19th level and on an elite 17th level run with a hireling healer 3 mountain lions just tore me up

I understand, as I only started in 2013 and thought that with a game of this age that there would be a better source of open info for new players to get up to speed and have a decent character. But all we have is DDO Wiki and asking questions in these forums.

The first thing you need to accept is that for a rapidly leveling first life character with the garbage gear you're likely to wind up with, Heroic Elite usually needs at least a buddy or two to run with you to CYA and you'll still probably need parked hired clerics . You CAN solo but you're going to have to want to feel that thrill of success when you don't get slaughtered.

This game does reward FPS skills for new players, but most of the conversation encountered in the forums is about PC's with farmed gear from previous lives that gives them an easy button win while whinging about some OP build that allows some noob (with actual skill) with lootgen gear that managed to equal them in kills.

Buffyanne
07-24-2014, 10:42 AM
So I am back after a 4 year layoff. I have a monk with a ac of 82, dodge 20%, and dusk 10%. What I am noticing is that I get hit regularly. What is the max ac? What is the figure to make it relevant again? Please advise and thanks all.

Monks should be able to get over 100 AC pretty easy now. My main monk is around 128 without really focusing on it. That and 20+ dodge depending on what stance you are in, blur and shadow fade plus stuns means I don't get hit very often. Another big factor is PRR. You can pretty easily mitigate 15 to 45% of your damage taken depending on gear and stance.

arcane_nite
07-24-2014, 11:04 AM
Monks should be able to get over 100 AC pretty easy now. My main monk is around 128 without really focusing on it. That and 20+ dodge depending on what stance you are in, blur and shadow fade plus stuns means I don't get hit very often. Another big factor is PRR. You can pretty easily mitigate 15 to 45% of your damage taken depending on gear and stance.

What specific gear do I need besides the obvious? Where do I find PRR gear? So I now have 82 ac, 25% dodge, 25%incorporeal, 10% dusk (trinket).

unbongwah
07-24-2014, 11:28 AM
http://ddowiki.com/page/PRR

AFAIK, highest Sheltering (enhancement) bonus to PRR is +24 from Guardian's Ring (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Guardian%27s_Ring_%28Level_19%29); epic version also has +8 STR. You can get another +15 PRR from PFP (http://ddowiki.com/page/Planar_Focus_of_Prowess)if you also have an upgraded CitW (http://ddowiki.com/page/Caught_in_the_Web) weapon equipped like Antipode if you're an unarmed build. As a monk you can also gain 55 PRR from GM Earth Stance + Iron Skin (Shintao) + Meditation of War (Shintao) + Standing w/Stone (GMoF).

PsychoBlonde
07-24-2014, 11:42 AM
http://ddowiki.com/page/PRR

AFAIK, highest Sheltering (enhancement) bonus to PRR is +24 from Guardian's Ring (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Guardian%27s_Ring_%28Level_19%29); epic version also has +8 STR. You can get another +15 PRR from PFP (http://ddowiki.com/page/Planar_Focus_of_Prowess)if you also have an upgraded CitW (http://ddowiki.com/page/Caught_in_the_Web) weapon equipped like Antipode if you're an unarmed build. As a monk you can also gain 55 PRR from GM Earth Stance + Iron Skin (Shintao) + Meditation of War (Shintao) + Standing w/Stone (GMoF).

Highest sheltering bonus is on Dumathoin's Bracers (+30).

unbongwah
07-24-2014, 01:53 PM
Thanks for the reminder: knew there was a reason I kept trying to farm for them on my Dwarven Defender! :)

Buffyanne
07-25-2014, 10:25 AM
http://ddowiki.com/page/PRR

AFAIK, highest Sheltering (enhancement) bonus to PRR is +24 from Guardian's Ring (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Guardian%27s_Ring_%28Level_19%29); epic version also has +8 STR. You can get another +15 PRR from PFP (http://ddowiki.com/page/Planar_Focus_of_Prowess)if you also have an upgraded CitW (http://ddowiki.com/page/Caught_in_the_Web) weapon equipped like Antipode if you're an unarmed build. As a monk you can also gain 55 PRR from GM Earth Stance + Iron Skin (Shintao) + Meditation of War (Shintao) + Standing w/Stone (GMoF).

Guardian ring comes from doing What Goes Up end reward. The Dumothoins bracers come from the raid Temple of the Deathwyrm. You can use a +14 PRR blue augment gem too until you get one of those. You can also get PRR from doing Divine epic TRs. And yes a lot of PRR for a monk comes from being in earth stance. If you run in GMOF your AC will keep going up....remember there are now +10 protection and +10 natural armor items and +10 dex/wis items. All this will easily push you past 100 and any AC over 100 is useful. Are you going to get missed all the time? No, but you will get missed.