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ArcaneArcher52689
07-10-2014, 11:46 AM
Reasons new iconics are a good idea:

Increased revenue from purchase of iconic
Increased traffic 15-28
Increased revenue from store sales (+1 LR hearts, tomes, pots...)
Allows players to test new builds very easily
They allows unique races/abilities, but create restrictions as well
Currently there is no way to make eberron religion based classes other than lord of blades.
more iconic may eventually lead to iconic completionist


We also still have 5 base classes without

Barbarian
Bard
Ranger
Sorcerer
Wizard

There are also the paid classes which I'd love to see, but I don't know what kind of issues they might bring up. I'll cover those later.

They already missed the perfect opportunity to release a bard iconic with update 22. A race w/ +2 charisma and swf bonuses in the racial tree would have been great to test out all the swashbucklers. And with the upcoming changes to warchanter/spellsinger, there would have been even more builds to test with it.

Anyways, here are my race/pairing that I'd like to see.
barbarian-dwarf battle rager, give the tree a focus on damage mitigation(PRR) and a "you hit me, I hit you" mechanic. If they want to take it a step further, I'd give it the option to go "unarmed" and use a new unarmed fighting animation- similar to druid bear form, using 1d6/5 character level (Higher damage than monk, but slower attack speed)

bard-not sure on the race, but it'd better have charisma bonuses. I also think it'd be neat to pair it with a racial tree that benefits SWF. Also try and make it a Eberron race.

ranger- here, as much as I cringe, they should do a drizzt style drow ranger. Give it the summon pet feat as part of the racial, as well as pet improvements in the racial tree. Make the pet a panther. Profit.

Sorcerer- I'm not really sure what to do with sorcerers.


Wizard- I'd really like to see a dragonmarked halfing wizard. I just feel like that's a fun idea. Autogrant it the dragonmark feat, adjust the racial tree to include intelligence enhancements, and a 3rd tier enhancment of "Intelligent healing- You now use your intelligence modifier for the heal skill instead of your wisdom." I'd also like to see a t4 regenerate dragonmark enhancement- 1 use/minute

eris2323
07-10-2014, 11:51 AM
I'd probably purchase some of these; I like the idea of iconics, and some of the old ones are cool, but some are just... meh... sell me more! ;)

Impaqt
07-10-2014, 11:59 AM
I hope they scrap the idea of iconics.

Just give us actual races. the whole roll an iconic than then use a +1 heart to make the character you actually want to play is a blatant cash grab and rubs me(And I assume others) the wrong way.

I will not spend money to "fix" a character that turbine intentionally broke in order to sell hearts. The only reason I have a SunElf Pale Master is because I saved my freebie +20 heart.

Qhualor
07-10-2014, 12:41 PM
My biggest issue with them is that they are technically races and you can get a past life. You can't with the other races so that tells me another way to make money on reincarnation and keep the hamster wheels running.

There are more I conics that they can introduce, so I would assume eventually we will get them. Especially if Turbine wants another way to increase profit and keep giving us reasons to reincarnate.

Scrabbler
07-10-2014, 01:00 PM
Reasons new iconics are a good idea:
Maybe before adding a new iconic, they can fix the existing ones.

Shadar-kai's chain is lame. Sun Elf's mace and PDK's longsword features are a silly failure. And if Bladeforge can cast Reconstruct for as long as he has spellpoints, then all racial SLAs should be castable from sp (including the Halfling tree's Heal).

Scrabbler
07-10-2014, 01:11 PM
Just give us actual races. the whole roll an iconic than then use a +1 heart to make the character you actually want to play is a blatant cash grab and rubs me(And I assume others) the wrong way.
Yes, it's very inelegant to force the class level on you but let you buy out of it later.

They should either make it impossible to drop the 1 level (greatly restricting the builds Iconics are good for), or allow players to also pick the Iconic races during regular level 1 character creation with the class of your choice.

slarden
07-10-2014, 02:19 PM
I would definitely pay for new iconics. It's fun to try out the unique iconic abilities. There is so much forgotten realms lore that work perfect for iconics.

Qhualor
07-10-2014, 02:41 PM
Maybe before adding a new iconic, they can fix the existing ones.

Shadar-kai's chain is lame. Sun Elf's mace and PDK's longsword features are a silly failure. And if Bladeforge can cast Reconstruct for as long as he has spellpoints, then all racial SLAs should be castable from sp (including the Halfling tree's Heal).

How is Shadar-kais chain lame? Its an easy way to draw aggro and a lot of mobs fall on their arse. In epics not quite as easy, but at least half the time they are on their backs.

Lonnbeimnech
07-10-2014, 02:51 PM
Barbarian - Minotaur
Bard - Houri
Ranger - Shifter
Sorcerer - Kobald
Wizard (illusionist) - Gnome

Certon
07-10-2014, 04:06 PM
Barbarian - Dwarven Berserker
Bard - Half-Elven Harper Agent
Ranger - Halfling Outrider
Sorcerer - Dark Elf Dragon Disciple
Wizard - Human Red Wizard of Thay

Grailhawk
07-10-2014, 04:13 PM
Gnome - Bard
Assimar - Favored Soul
Tiefling - Wizard

Vellrad
07-10-2014, 04:16 PM
Wizard:
Dwarf/duergar runesmith

LuKaSu
07-10-2014, 04:34 PM
I put up a potential enhancements template for a Half-elf Harper (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/442963-New-Iconic-Half-Elf-Harper) that you may be interested in.

Hoglum
07-10-2014, 04:37 PM
These iconic ideas people are putting forth should all be class/race mixes you build with the regular system.

I say trash iconics and work on new races and classes. Don't mix them together, let the players do that & call their characters whatever they like.

The Shadar Kai chain is ******** since it's a super power. A chain should be an item. There could be perhaps an exotic weapon prof for use & if Shadar Kai are supposed to be good using them the enhancement system would be more appropriate to give them an advantage.

Chains could have some special features such as + to trip, entangle of some sort, and/or some bonuses to cleave attacks if people want to swing it around.

A chain should not be something exclusive to a race. Too much current development is bizarre stuff like this.

The_Human_Cypher
07-11-2014, 08:13 PM
According to Cordovan, no new Iconics are planned for 2015.

LuKaSu
07-11-2014, 10:13 PM
According to Cordovan, no new Iconics are planned for 2015.

Aw, bummer. I always love finding a new way to play the game. Thanks for the info, though. At least now, I don't have to hold out on hope

esojiul
07-14-2014, 09:18 PM
Iconic, Now work like a new race, where you have to buy reincarnation heart to fix 1 level you don’t want. Maybe if Iconic feature, it related to 1 more race enhancement sheet. Each race has it iconic version.
Gets in one shot:
3 more races: Bladeforge-Sun Elf-Shadar kai
2 more class: morning lord-purple knight
In the future develop following iconic: Scorpion Wraith, Dwarven Defender etc etc

salmag
07-16-2014, 02:32 PM
I hope they scrap the idea of iconics.

Just give us actual races. the whole roll an iconic than then use a +1 heart to make the character you actually want to play is a blatant cash grab and rubs me(And I assume others) the wrong way.

I will not spend money to "fix" a character that turbine intentionally broke in order to sell hearts. The only reason I have a SunElf Pale Master is because I saved my freebie +20 heart.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, but since they won't scrap them, I'll play along...

Half-Elf Harper - Should be Forgotten Realms. Ranger/Druid hybrid.

Tiefling Warlock (when they introduce Tieflings as playable) - Must be LN, TN, or CN alignment, should be Forgotten Realms. Sorcerer/Favored Soul Hybrid.

Gnome Tinkerer (when they introduce Gnomes as playable) - Gnomes should start out in Eberron at level 1. This Tinkerer (think Artificer) should be their Iconic equivalent starting at level 15 in FR. Maybe come with an arquebus.

WF Scout Infiltrator - Should be Rogue/Fighter hybrid.

Having just watched Spartacus, how about a Dwarven Gladiator.

The_Human_Cypher
07-20-2014, 01:11 AM
I agree with this wholeheartedly, but since they won't scrap them, I'll play along...

Half-Elf Harper - Should be Forgotten Realms. Ranger/Druid hybrid.

Tiefling Warlock (when they introduce Tieflings as playable) - Must be LN, TN, or CN alignment, should be Forgotten Realms. Sorcerer/Favored Soul Hybrid.

Gnome Tinkerer (when they introduce Gnomes as playable) - Gnomes should start out in Eberron at level 1. This Tinkerer (think Artificer) should be their Iconic equivalent starting at level 15 in FR. Maybe come with an arquebus.

WF Scout Infiltrator - Should be Rogue/Fighter hybrid.

Having just watched Spartacus, how about a Dwarven Gladiator.

I hope the Tiefling and Gnome races happen soon but it doesn't look like DDO is planning anything along these lines next year.

HatsuharuZ
07-20-2014, 01:23 AM
Tiefling Warlock iconic! :P

Memnir
07-20-2014, 01:23 AM
I liked the concept of Iconics, but I feel the implementation was an inelegant and fairly naked cash-grab.
I regret having bought into the idea, however, both monetarily and hype-wise. Not too proud of having done so, either.