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Choopak
02-19-2014, 02:53 PM
Hi guys

Was wandering, why no shadar-kai rogue post on these forums?
They look built for rogue, specially assassin rogue. Let's see the good...
bonus to INT
spike chain, AoE damage, does not break stealth!!!
guile for more sneak attack dices
shadow jaunt for quick "get out of trouble" button
and last: gloom stalker! let you sneak attack even when you have aggro!!! (don't know the proc rate)
Anyway... seems pretty decent to me, what am i missing?
Would love feed back before Tring (was going human assassin, but now...)
Thanks

Satyriasys
02-19-2014, 02:56 PM
Hi guys

Was wandering, why no shadar-kai rogue post on these forums?
They look built for rogue, specially assassin rogue. Let's see the good...
bonus to INT
spike chain, AoE damage, does not break stealth!!!
guile for more sneak attack dices
shadow jaunt for quick "get out of trouble" button
and last: gloom stalker! let you sneak attack even when you have aggro!!! (don't know the proc rate)
Anyway... seems pretty decent to me, what am i missing?
Would love feed back before Tring (was going human assassin, but now...)
Thanks

I love my Shadar-Kai Assassin, love it to bits. Gloomstalker proc is 100% on the bluff not sure about the blind but it's decent.

The spike chain is amazing in heroics but respec out of it at 20 its not useful in epics.

Choopak
02-19-2014, 03:02 PM
I love my Shadar-Kai Assassin, love it to bits. Gloomstalker proc is 100% on the bluff not sure about the blind but it's decent.

The spike chain is amazing in heroics but respec out of it at 20 its not useful in epics.

Thanks for input on proc rate... this mean your sneak attack most be crazy!
This toon will be for epic mostly, so no chain :( too bad really, maybe usable at EN and EH... build wise? regular assassin? with more AP in racial tree?

Satyriasys
02-19-2014, 03:19 PM
Thanks for input on proc rate... this mean your sneak attack most be crazy!
This toon will be for epic mostly, so no chain :( too bad really, maybe usable at EN and EH... build wise? regular assassin? with more AP in racial tree?

If you plan on doing EH or EE your points would be better spent elsewhere, not sure about EN I don't do that.

Everything else I put into Assassin and racial. also Acrobat just enough for haste boost.

I would stay away from:
Bold (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Student of Pain (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Ghostly Essence (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Shadow Smoke (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Shiv (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements)(I think it's bugged) Toxin Affinity (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements), Poison Strikes (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements) and Shadow Dagger (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements).

I'm sure others may disagree but I feel those are a waste.

Choopak
02-19-2014, 03:31 PM
If you plan on doing EH or EE your points would be better spent elsewhere, not sure about EN I don't do that.

Everything else I put into Assassin and racial. also Acrobat just enough for haste boost.

I would stay away from:
Bold (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Student of Pain (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Ghostly Essence (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Shadow Smoke (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Shiv (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements)(I think it's bugged) Toxin Affinity (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements), Poison Strikes (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements) and Shadow Dagger (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements).

I'm sure others may disagree but I feel those are a waste.

Thanks again, really appreciated!
I agree with almost everything (shadow dagger make my enemy blind, so good for sneak attacks)
I'm planning on going assassin, and using a repeater for pulling and finishing the mobs.
So mostly spec range (feat wise)

You're a melee or range build?

Satyriasys
02-19-2014, 11:20 PM
Melee
I tried Shadow Dagger and it works but I found it unnecessary.

CThruTheEgo
02-20-2014, 08:21 AM
Hi guys

Was wandering, why no shadar-kai rogue post on these forums?
They look built for rogue, specially assassin rogue. Let's see the good...
bonus to INT
spike chain, AoE damage, does not break stealth!!!
guile for more sneak attack dices
shadow jaunt for quick "get out of trouble" button
and last: gloom stalker! let you sneak attack even when you have aggro!!! (don't know the proc rate)
Anyway... seems pretty decent to me, what am i missing?
Would love feed back before Tring (was going human assassin, but now...)
Thanks

Let me first say that I have not played a shadar-kai assassin, but here are my initial thoughts on them.

Human gets the same bonus to int, as well as an extra feat.
The chain seems like an agro magnet, and one that does poor dps.
Guile is about the only thing that seems useful imo, but if you want to take advantage of all the goodies that rogue has to offer, then you're going to be spending most of your AP in the three class trees and won't be able to afford the guile line.
Shadow jaunt seems unnecessary since the whole playstyle of a build whose dps is based on sneak attacks is to avoid agro. You shouldn't be "getting into trouble." My assassin hardly ever gets the attention of mobs, but still consistently tops the kill count.
Gloom stalker isn't necessary when you've got radiance weapons or triple improved deception.

Human is the way to go for an assassin imo. They offer the most well rounded build options. It gets the extra feat, which is nice on a rogue, and has the best "low hanging fruit" in the racial tree (damage boost and int). Check out Hassassn's Assassin in my sig if you're looking for ideas for your human assassin.

Cap_Man
02-20-2014, 11:53 AM
If you plan on doing EH or EE your points would be better spent elsewhere, not sure about EN I don't do that.

Everything else I put into Assassin and racial. also Acrobat just enough for haste boost.

I would stay away from:
Bold (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Student of Pain (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Ghostly Essence (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Shadow Smoke (http://ddowiki.com/page/Shadar-kai_enhancements), Shiv (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements)(I think it's bugged) Toxin Affinity (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements), Poison Strikes (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements) and Shadow Dagger (http://ddowiki.com/page/Assassin_enhancements).

I'm sure others may disagree but I feel those are a waste.

Yep, I agree but am on the fence regarding Ghostly. I guess it depends on what gear you have.

And the chain is a heck of a lot of fun but stopped being useful around level 20 and I dropped it. Before that, I soloed the first couple levels while I got used to him and the chain and then started to join lfm's. lol, whip out that chain in Wheloon and watch the rest of the party scatter in panic thinking an NPC assassin is going all food processor on them lol.