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Cloista
02-04-2014, 10:39 AM
I currently have a 1st life WF monk I will TR into a BT Monk. I have a set of Grave Wrappings I use as his main wraps currently, but I also have a pair of celestias I want to be using as boss beaters. Due to my hatred of neg levels lowering DC I am going to be LN and need UMD to be able to use the celestias.

I am considering a 16 Monk 2 Fighter 2 Arti split for this reason amd have a +4 WIS +3 STR/DEX and +2 INT/CON tomes on the character.

Any help laying out a 2nd life build focusing on DCs would be much appreciated, he is a Wis/DEX build currently and I'm assuming he'll have to stay that way as he is an alt not my main and has no other resources available (aside from the needed alignment change and an LR+20 heart, to get shot of the pally level).

Help and input would be awesome, thanks.

Munkenmo
02-04-2014, 11:13 AM
Google munkenmo woodfist.

Daze
02-04-2014, 11:37 AM
I currently have a 1st life WF monk I will TR into a BT Monk. I have a set of Grave Wrappings I use as his main wraps currently, but I also have a pair of celestias I want to be using as boss beaters. Due to my hatred of neg levels lowering DC I am going to be LN and need UMD to be able to use the celestias.

I am considering a 16 Monk 2 Fighter 2 Arti split for this reason amd have a +4 WIS +3 STR/DEX and +2 INT/CON tomes on the character.

Any help laying out a 2nd life build focusing on DCs would be much appreciated, he is a Wis/DEX build currently and I'm assuming he'll have to stay that way as he is an alt not my main and has no other resources available (aside from the needed alignment change and an LR+20 heart, to get shot of the pally level).

Help and input would be awesome, thanks.

Is the plan to go dex based and use fulltime Celestia's? or STR based?

BF have low Dex and Wis to start so may not be optimal for a DC monk viable for EE. It's certainly viable for lower difficulty content though. Just need to tune the build according to what you plan.

Any desire to use ranged attacks? Trap skills? Why Arti?

Daze
02-04-2014, 12:50 PM
2 level ups into STR and the rest into WIS


Modified version of Munkenmo's build above to fit your 2nd life toon. Unfortunately will require handwraps other than grave wrappings to avoid that neg level. You won't need UMD to use Celestia's though.

A 4 dex tome would give you 2 more build points to play with so you could start with a 15 WIS and the ability to get vorpal strikes without a +5 tome. If you manage to get a 5 wis and 4 dex ... start with a 14 con and 15 str.

EDIT: Resilience and power attack cannot be used simultaneously ... ditching resilience and bulwark.... build updated


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 Lawful Good Bladeforged Male
(2 Fighter \ 2 Paladin \ 16 Monk \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 364
Spell Points: Far less than 1965058700
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 18
Will: 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 14 19
Dexterity 13 17
Constitution 13 15
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 15 26
Charisma 12 12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 1 36
Bluff 1 9
Concentration 3 44
Diplomacy 1 9
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 1 9
Heal 2 19
Hide 1 11
Intimidate 1 12
Jump 2 22
Listen 2 16
Move Silently 1 11
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 13
Search -1 8
Spellcraft -1 8
Spot 2 28
Swim 2 12
Tumble 2 15
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Lord of Blades
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Fist
Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Deflect Arrows
Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Level 7 (Monk)
Level 8 (Paladin)
Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Level 10 (Monk)
Level 11 (Monk)
Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist
Level 13 (Monk)
Level 14 (Monk)
Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 16 (Monk)
Level 17 (Monk)
Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Level 19 (Monk)
Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Improved Martial Arts
Level 22 (Epic)
Level 23 (Epic)
Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Vorpal Strikes
Level 25 (Epic)
Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Tactician
Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Damage Reduction
Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Mechanist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Mechanist (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Fearsome Presence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Power of the Forge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Riddle of Fire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Mystic Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Mystic Training (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Way of the Patient Tortoise (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Martial Arts (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Martial Arts (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Protection from Tainted Creatures (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Hand (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Argent Fist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Ki Shout (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Exemplar (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Exemplar (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Exemplar (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Empty Hand Mastery (Rank 1)

Cloista-motu
02-04-2014, 02:47 PM
Arti was for UMD and more spell points. I considered something very similar to what you've posted Daze and considered that realistically a boost of maybe 7-10 damage on trash (and less on bosses) and a sacrifice of 3 dc on GMoF abilities to be worth the 1800 TP it would cost me to go strength based, especially on an alt that is built mostly for EH and the easier EEs. I've worked out he will still have DCs that should stand up for SF and QP in EE content. No I won't be soloing any EEs, but I don't play DDO to solo. So the limits are what I posted in the OP.

Daze
02-04-2014, 07:06 PM
Arti was for UMD and more spell points. I considered something very similar to what you've posted Daze and considered that realistically a boost of maybe 7-10 damage on trash (and less on bosses) and a sacrifice of 3 dc on GMoF abilities to be worth the 1800 TP it would cost me to go strength based, especially on an alt that is built mostly for EH and the easier EEs. I've worked out he will still have DCs that should stand up for SF and QP in EE content. No I won't be soloing any EEs, but I don't play DDO to solo. So the limits are what I posted in the OP.

I don't solo EE either ... tend to fall asleep from the boredom and run off a cliff or something. I do enjoy short-manning quests though ... shows a higher degree of teamwork and you get to show off builds/skills to friends without gloating on the achievements boards. That still requires strong toons both defensive and offensive ... so that's what I tend to build.

If you want to dump STR you would have to give up stunning fist and handwraps altogether and just limit yourself to shortswords/shuriken/kama's. The build above is about the best blend you're gonna get. UMD on that skill starved toon is a tough prospect ... especially considering you are going to need repair as well.

Without the pally levels and/or a smattering of past lives your saves are going to be in the low 30's .... at lvl 28. You could dump con, str and cha to get wis and dex a little higher when you pickup the arti level instead of pally. Dump balance and concentration to max repair and UMD but that doesn't sound like a fun build to me .. even with a grp to back me up but to each their own.

Here it is .... the build you're requesting.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 Lawful Neutral Bladeforged Male
(2 Fighter \ 2 Artificer \ 16 Monk \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 376
Spell Points: garbage
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 18
Will: 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 8 11
Dexterity 16 19
Constitution 10 13
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 16 29
Charisma 8 8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 5 17
Bluff -1 7
Concentration 4 21
Diplomacy -1 7
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -1 7
Heal 3 20
Hide 3 12
Intimidate -1 10
Jump -1 11
Listen 3 17
Move Silently 3 12
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 30
Search 0 9
Spellcraft 0 9
Spot 3 17
Swim -1 8
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a 30

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Lord of Blades
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Deflect Arrows
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist
Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist
Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Level 7 (Artificer)
Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Spring Attack
Level 11 (Monk)
Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Level 13 (Monk)
Level 14 (Monk)
Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 16 (Monk)
Level 17 (Monk)
Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 19 (Monk)
Level 20 (Monk)
Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Improved Martial Arts
Level 22 (Epic)
Level 23 (Epic)
Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Vorpal Strikes
Level 25 (Epic)
Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Tactician
Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed
Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Mechanist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Brute Fighting (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Brute Fighting (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Brute Fighting (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Power of the Forge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Martial Arts (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Martial Arts (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Riddle of Fire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Mystic Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Mystic Training (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Mystic Training (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Protection from Tainted Creatures (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Hand (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Argent Fist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Ki Shout (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Exemplar (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Exemplar (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Exemplar (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Empty Hand Mastery (Rank 1)




I like to call it Captain Craptastic

Cloista
02-04-2014, 07:33 PM
Even on a first life with with dumped strength I'm hitting into the mid 100s non-crit on anything I can stun, and with Weapon finesse my to hit hasn't been a problem in any content so far (he's at 24 on 1st life, Stunning Fist DC of 60, running Precision instead of Power Attack), and the plan is anything I can't stun gets the Celestias, which will have dex to hit/dmg from Ninja Spy.

I must admit though, I'm actually wondering if, considering unarmed die-step is at 7[d8] currently, if un-upgraded Celestias (he likely wont be raiding enough to get CoHs to upgrade them, certainly not both) will actually be any better damage anyway... If they wont my last 2 levels are back open to anything with a mana bar that could prove useful, including Munkenmo's 2 wiz splash, as I won't be needing that UMD.

Daze
02-04-2014, 08:51 PM
Even on a first life with with dumped strength I'm hitting into the mid 100s non-crit on anything I can stun, and with Weapon finesse my to hit hasn't been a problem in any content so far (he's at 24 on 1st life, Stunning Fist DC of 60, running Precision instead of Power Attack), and the plan is anything I can't stun gets the Celestias, which will have dex to hit/dmg from Ninja Spy.

I must admit though, I'm actually wondering if, considering unarmed die-step is at 7[d8] currently, if un-upgraded Celestias (he likely wont be raiding enough to get CoHs to upgrade them, certainly not both) will actually be any better damage anyway... If they wont my last 2 levels are back open to anything with a mana bar that could prove useful, including Munkenmo's 2 wiz splash, as I won't be needing that UMD.

A SF DC of 60 is low. EH content will resist that more than half the time and imho if you can't do EH you may as well reroll ....

Celestia's are DR breaking titans true but the monk unarmed attack speed and die steps make it the far better choice for DPS. Unarmed dmg increases only come from str .... hitting for 100's on stunned mobs means your typical attacks are doing 50's .... which means my non DPS PDK build that Munkenmo raked over the coals for lack of dmg does more DPS than this one ...

I have nothing else to add to this build atm ... pretty sure I don't even want to have my name attached to it >.<

Good hunting

Cloista
02-04-2014, 09:19 PM
That's on his current life/build, at 24, and under-geared (Stunning+10, no ECM, +16 Wis mod, only +2tactics from WF enhancements and +6 from LD tactics Twist) and running up to & including EH Tor, his stuns have landed 90% of the time. I parked him when Shadowfail came out to concentrate on my main and await a TR into a Bladeforged, once enough was known to tweak out his build. With build/gear at 28, he should be hitting a 70+ DC Stunning Fist without any real effort.

Thanks for confirming what I thought about Celestias, now I can rule them out, UMD is not needed and a build closer to Munkenmo is going to be my plan. The question is how close I can get to it without blowing my budget too wide open on more tomes. With Dex, my choice is +3 or +5, I'm not going to be bothered by the extra 200tp a +5 is more than a +4, but a +2-3 upgrade (currently a +2 on the char) and a +5 pure tome are massively different in price, so I was curious how much gimpier the cheaper option would be. The difference seems mostly to be whether Overwhelming Crit is attainable or not, and I was wondering whether a purely dex focus or a strength focus (after Wis ofcourse) would be a better idea. It seems even without OC, Strength focused would still be better, am I right?

inspiredunease
02-05-2014, 09:55 AM
Strength all the way. Tomes just dictate how many level-ups I have to put in strength rather than wis in order to get OC imho. Having said that +5 dex is extremely efficient for a BF 2 fighter split as you can take ITWF/GTWF at 19/20 when it kicks in while putting in the minimum number of build points.

Cloista-motu
02-05-2014, 10:21 AM
Strength all the way. Tomes just dictate how many level-ups I have to put in strength rather than wis in order to get OC imho. Having said that +5 dex is extremely efficient for a BF 2 fighter split as you can take ITWF/GTWF at 19/20 when it kicks in while putting in the minimum number of build points.

That's the question for me though, I currently only have a +3 Str tome, and I'm looking at not being able to get OC until 27 anyway (21 & 24 are set for Imp. Martial Arts and Vorpal Strikes). I could always build for high as possible strength while keeping max Wisdom now, and then when I can get a +5 (or atleast +4) Strength tome later in his life, LR him to be able to fit OC into the build too. Looks like I'm stumping up for that +5 Dex tome while they're available then, (I was starting to lean that way anyway) and basing it on the Munkenmo build, but with a performance drop off by being only a 2nd life build.

As I'm gonna have to LR the pally levels away anyway, going to treat it as a +3 tome during the intial TR n LR+20 at 20, and if/when I get the tomes for OC I'll use the BTC LR+0 to juggle it.

Munkenmo
02-05-2014, 11:54 AM
That's the question for me though, I currently only have a +3 Str tome, and I'm looking at not being able to get OC until 27 anyway (21 & 24 are set for Imp. Martial Arts and Vorpal Strikes). I could always build for high as possible strength while keeping max Wisdom now, and then when I can get a +5 (or atleast +4) Strength tome later in his life, LR him to be able to fit OC into the build too. Looks like I'm stumping up for that +5 Dex tome while they're available then, (I was starting to lean that way anyway) and basing it on the Munkenmo build, but with a performance drop off by being only a 2nd life build.

As I'm gonna have to LR the pally levels away anyway, going to treat it as a +3 tome during the intial TR n LR+20 at 20, and if/when I get the tomes for OC I'll use the BTC LR+0 to juggle it.

Factoring in +3str, +5dex, +4wis. 34pt.

Str 16 +3 tome + 4 levels = oc. (Note you wouldnt be able to pick this up at 27, but after getting the level 28 stat point, you could swap it in.)
Dex 12 +5 tome = feat pre reqs met.
Con 10
Int 8
Wis 16 +4 tome + 3 levels = 23 wisdom.
Cha 8

Spend 2 points on con or int, depending if you prefer a skill point or 28hp.


Stat layout with +3str/dex & +4 wisdom.

Str 15
Dex 14
Con 10
Int 8
Wis 16 all levels in wisdom.
Cha 8

If you were to buy a +3-4 str upgrade tome you would still be able to pick up overwhelming crit with 4 levelups. (So you could still build with 3 level ups in wisdom, then 4 level ups in str. If you ever get a 4str tome, you can feat swap in OC.)

Im not sure what kind of playstyle you have, but I think your best bet may be to buy a +3 dex upgrade tome for now, then wait till mabar. Get either a +5str or +5dex tome free then.

Cloista-motu
02-05-2014, 01:03 PM
ftdOmen, thanks, that's a great help. Honestly I've had an eye on your build since you posted it (as I lurk in dark places ;).)

Playstyle wise, honestly, whilst I attempt to min-max my builds within my resources, I play pretty casual and it is an alt.

Been playing since Sept 09 and it is one of 9 characters, and shockingly, will be my first ever TR - I generally prefer playing at or near cap, but the benefits of BF vs WF are such that my arm has finally been twisted, and the fact that it's straight to 15 and the xp grind for TRs has been reduced is just gravy.

I'm going to take your advice on the +3 upgrade tome based build, to be honest with new content coming out Soon(TM) half my focus outside of my static groups will probably be on my ranger or my divine anyway, so waiting for Mabar to turn it into a build that'd allow for OC and a bit more dps isn't such an issue for me.

I'm guessing Monk Past Life, and Blazing Speed or Epic PRR as the feats to replace Completionist and OC?

Munkenmo
02-05-2014, 04:50 PM
ftdOmen, thanks, that's a great help.

;)I'm guessing Monk Past Life, and Blazing Speed or Epic PRR as the feats to replace Completionist and OC?

No problem, and yeah those would be my picks.