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Daze
02-01-2014, 11:23 AM
Won't be soloing epic elite content but can certainly partake in the group effort (and lead the kill count doing it ... if you care about that sort of thing)

Pros:
A metric butt ton of synergy
Unarmed monk attack speed and wolf speed stack.
Unarmed die step increase from monk effective in wolf form including things like reinforced fists (as does the die increase 6 to 8 in tier 5 Shintao).
The DC increase from Cha DOES work as long as Cha is higher than Str and shortswords equipped
High attack speed > high Ki generation for Ki hungry build
High Survivability in EE content (AC of 130 and PRR over 100 with 22% dodge)
DC's in the 70's for SF, QP (not including Sundering bonuses), Kukan-Do. 60's for EIN
Being a huge freaking PDK wolf
Able to use Stunning fist with Cormyrian Knight Training
Wisdom adds spell points meaning MOAR cocoons
200% Heal amp (with the right gear) meaning MOAR from cocoons
Ki shout provides a taunt to keep those shiradi casters and monkchers safe and more importantly ... keeps you from having to chase things too much.
Saves in the low 70's
UMD almost high enough for deadly weapons scrolls ....



Cons:
Cha to hit and dmg does NOT work in wolf form
Maintaining Cha higher than Str gimps DPS on a hit by hit basis ... which means relying on attack speed and procs for damage (Thank goodness for Celestia)
Cha PDK DC bonus from Cormyrian Knight Training does not apply to stunning fist
Can only use shortswords




All level ups into Wisdom.






Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 28 Lawful Neutral Purple Dragon Knight Male
(1 Fighter \ 16 Monk \ 3 Druid \ 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 482
Spell Points: 312
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 20
Will: 19

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
Strength 8 15
Dexterity 16 23
Constitution 14 21
Intelligence 8 15
Wisdom 16 31
Charisma 16 23

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
Balance 4 44
Bluff 3 20
Concentration 2 48
Diplomacy 3 20
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 3 20
Heal 3 23
Hide 3 16
Intimidate 3 21
Jump -1 19
Listen 3 16
Move Silently 3 16
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 13
Search -1 13
Spellcraft -1 12
Spot 3 39
Swim -1 15
Tumble 4 23
Use Magic Device 5 32

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Druid
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Human Bonus) Resilience
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Level 2 (Druid)
Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist
Feat: (Selected) Completionist
Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Deflect Arrows
Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Heal
Level 7 (Monk)
Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 10 (Monk)
Level 11 (Monk)
Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Level 13 (Monk)
Level 14 (Monk)
Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 16 (Monk)
Level 17 (Monk)
Level 18 (Monk)
Level 19 (Druid)
Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Wolf
Level 20 (Druid)
Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Bulwark of Defense
Level 22 (Epic)
Level 23 (Epic)
Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Vorpal Strikes
Level 25 (Epic)
Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Improved Martial Arts
Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Tactician
Enhancement: Purple Dragon Knight - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Purple Dragon Knight - Human Adaptability: Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Purple Dragon Knight - Cormyrean Knight Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Purple Dragon Knight - Action Surge: Wisdom (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Purple Dragon Knight - Action Surge: Wisdom (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Purple Dragon Knight - Action Surge: Wisdom (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Purple Dragon Knight - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Purple Dragon Knight - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Protection from Tainted Creatures (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Hand (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Argent Fist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Ki Shout (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Exemplar (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Smite Tainted Creature (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Jade Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Tomb of Jade (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Kukan-Do (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Meditation of War (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Empty Hand Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sting of the Ninja (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Nature's Warrior (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Instinctive Fighting (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Aggravate (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Aggravate (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Athletic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Athletic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Athletic (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Action Boost: Double Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Action Boost: Double Strike (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Action Boost: Double Strike (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Improved Dodge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Improved Dodge (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Improved Dodge (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Fatal Harrier (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Fatal Harrier (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Fatal Harrier (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Riddle of Fire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Way of the Patient Tortoise (Rank 1)

Munkenmo
02-01-2014, 12:43 PM
You might aswell keep the fighter level and go 16monk, 3druid, 1fighter.

Youll have a higher potential stunning fist and qp dc.
You gain a feat
Access to hasteboost

You only lose timeless body.

Oh, and you cant umd deadly weapons on yourself.

200% heal amp is on the low side, its very easy to have a build like this at 300+ (im a big fan of a con opp off hand shortsword.)

Mental toughness is a poor choice, youll get much better mileage out of empower heal.
Bulkwark of defense is also a poor choice, youd be better off picking up ima and vorpal fists at 21&24, then pick up the epic +10prr feat at 27 if your set on defenses.
Instead of getting toughness id recommend deflect arrows.

All in all, I think youve gone far too defensive. On a build that has improved evasion, good healing amp, sp, and positie spell power, I dont see the point in spending 2 feats on saves (resilliance and bulkwark).
I wouldnt dump str to the extent you have, with your attack speed power attack is well worth investing in.
By going fighter you should also be able to re jig your feats and squeeze in the monk pastlife for more damage.

Daze
02-01-2014, 04:51 PM
You might aswell keep the fighter level and go 16monk, 3druid, 1fighter.

Youll have a higher potential stunning fist and qp dc.
You gain a feat
Access to hasteboost

You only lose timeless body.

Oh, and you cant umd deadly weapons on yourself.

200% heal amp is on the low side, its very easy to have a build like this at 300+ (im a big fan of a con opp off hand shortsword.)

Mental toughness is a poor choice, youll get much better mileage out of empower heal.
Bulkwark of defense is also a poor choice, youd be better off picking up ima and vorpal fists at 21&24, then pick up the epic +10prr feat at 27 if your set on defenses.
Instead of getting toughness id recommend deflect arrows.

All in all, I think youve gone far too defensive. On a build that has improved evasion, good healing amp, sp, and positie spell power, I dont see the point in spending 2 feats on saves (resilliance and bulkwark).
I wouldnt dump str to the extent you have, with your attack speed power attack is well worth investing in.
By going fighter you should also be able to re jig your feats and squeeze in the monk pastlife for more damage.

Attack is too low for power attack to fit ... you would miss too much to make the feat a DPS increase.

Embrace the low strength. Accept it and make it your own. The only way to increase it by enough to warrant PA is by gimping the other stats .... In which case this build would not work at all.

Resillience and Bulwark of Defense add 6 to all saves. Without that buff your reflex is too low for EE content IMHO. 70's reflex > 10PRR

Empower heal instead of Mental toughness is what I did on the actual toon .. forgot to edit the post. Thanks for pointing that out.

Originally this was supposed to be an 18/2 until I saw Fatal Harrier. Adding in a fighter level makes sense, good catch.

As for Heal amp .... I didnt have any reason to go to that extreme. 200% was plenty.

As for deadly weapons ... I know. You can't even use scrolls in wolf form so it would be pointless .... just making the point about having over 50 UMD ...


I'm a big fan of Celestia in the offhand and Elemental Fury in the main.

serthcore
02-01-2014, 05:12 PM
I don't get it, are you using wolf form or "human" form?
If you are using wolf: why twf feats? they don't work (or at least they didnt use to work) on animal form. We have natural fighting feats to boost the number of attacks instead (which requires 9 druid lvls).

Daze
02-01-2014, 06:06 PM
I don't get it, are you using wolf form or "human" form?
If you are using wolf: why twf feats? they don't work (or at least they didnt use to work) on animal form. We have natural fighting feats to boost the number of attacks instead (which requires 9 druid lvls).

They do work ... so yes wolf form.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/424332-TWF-feats-now-work-with-Wolf-and-Bear-forms-is-this-wai/page7?highlight=animal+twf

Munkenmo
02-01-2014, 10:08 PM
Attack is too low for power attack to fit ... you would miss too much to make the feat a DPS increase.

Embrace the low strength. Accept it and make it your own. The only way to increase it by enough to warrant PA is by gimping the other stats .... In which case this build would not work at all.

Resillience and Bulwark of Defense add 6 to all saves. Without that buff your reflex is too low for EE content IMHO. 70's reflex > 10 Prr


I guess overall this is where our opinions differ.

I have a pdk 16/3/1 Ive managed to squeeze in overwhelming critical, Ive not gone dex based like you, and have fully accepted my reflex save isnt good enough for the higher level EE content. Ive got a reflex save in the 50's. The extra dps and imoroved critical profile make up for it imo.

My str is still lower than my cha (provided I avoid primal scream), and I don't have issues with too hit, power attack is definately a worthwhile feat for my version of this build split.

I guess for a dex based build theres an argument to be made for +6 saves, I dont personally think its worth the offensive losses, but if you do im sure it can work and be worthwhile.

My base stats btw (all +5 tomes)
16str (2 levels) +10item, +1exceptional
13dex
8con
8int
17wis (5levels)
15cha (+10item +1 exceptional +2insight +1racial +3actionboost [I use hasteboost & damage boost almost all the time] )

In boss fights where tactical feats dont matter I bost my strength greater than my cha with rams might, rage etc.

Ive only gimped con, still have 750hp at cap. My qp is likely 1-2 dc's behind yours, the build definately works.

Daze
02-02-2014, 02:39 AM
I guess overall this is where our opinions differ.

I have a pdk 16/3/1 Ive managed to squeeze in overwhelming critical, Ive not gone dex based like you, and have fully accepted my reflex save isnt good enough for the higher level EE content. Ive got a reflex save in the 50's. The extra dps and imoroved critical profile make up for it imo.

My str is still lower than my cha (provided I avoid primal scream), and I don't have issues with too hit, power attack is definately a worthwhile feat for my version of this build split.

I guess for a dex based build theres an argument to be made for +6 saves, I dont personally think its worth the offensive losses, but if you do im sure it can work and be worthwhile.

My base stats btw (all +5 tomes)
16str (2 levels) +10item, +1exceptional
13dex
8con
8int
17wis (5levels)
15cha (+10item +1 exceptional +2insight +1racial +3actionboost [I use hasteboost & damage boost almost all the time] )

In boss fights where tactical feats dont matter I bost my strength greater than my cha with rams might, rage etc.

Ive only gimped con, still have 750hp at cap. My qp is likely 1-2 dc's behind yours, the build definately works.

Con is NOT a dump stat .... Dead toons do no DPS. 750 HP's is 50 below the bare minimum for a ranged avatar... let alone melee. The OP build hits 800 by level 23 and 1k by 28.

The build I listed is not a max DPS character ... and never will be no matter how much defense you sacrifice. It IS epic elite viable though.... I wouldnt take yours past epic hard without forewarning people of the 5% xp penalty and the need to carry my stone.

I think you missed the point ...


*definitely

Munkenmo
02-02-2014, 08:14 AM
Con is NOT a dump stat .... Dead toons do no DPS. 750 HP's is 50 below the bare minimum for a ranged avatar... let alone melee. The OP build hits 800 by level 23 and 1k by 28.

The build I listed is not a max DPS character ... and never will be no matter how much defense you sacrifice. It IS epic elite viable though.... I wouldnt take yours past epic hard without forewarning people of the 5% xp penalty and the need to carry my stone.

I think you missed the point ...


*definitely

Hahaha.

Thats what I get for trying to be nice, clearly you dont know how to play, or accept that there are multiple ways to make things work.

Goodluck with your mediocre build, and your bad attitude.

Daze
02-02-2014, 09:51 AM
Hahaha.

Thats what I get for trying to be nice, clearly you dont know how to play, or accept that there are multiple ways to make things work.

Goodluck with your mediocre build, and your bad attitude.

I'm not on here to be nice. I am here to discuss a build and failing that, builds in general ... If you don't want criticism of your build (as I accepted your points and changed mine) than do not post it.



The world of mediocrity? You're knee deep in it. Mediocre DPS,DC's and even lower survivability. Again ... still not getting the point for this build ... and to top that off. There isn't a build in this game I would take CON as a dump stat on. Attitude has nothing to do with it. Except when you misspell definitely ... I hate that.

Also ... I've been playing for 7 years hoss. That character has double digit lives all played through by yours truly including this very build. I missed the fighter level improvement but the rest of the build is a solid epic elite performer.... Until someone proves otherwise anyway (or turbine gimps the animal forms again). Trying to insult my play skill is a fairly pathetic move. You may want to skip the insults and stay on topic.

I wish you would continue the build discussion instead of crying about a bad attitude, saying I am 'not getting it' and running away but such is the DDO forums.

Munkenmo
02-02-2014, 01:51 PM
I'm not on here to be nice. I am here to discuss a build and failing that, builds in general ... If you don't want criticism of your build (as I accepted your points and changed mine) than do not post it.



The world of mediocrity? You're knee deep in it. Mediocre DPS,DC's and even lower survivability. Again ... still not getting the point for this build ... and to top that off. There isn't a build in this game I would take CON as a dump stat on. Attitude has nothing to do with it. Except when you misspell definitely ... I hate that.

Also ... I've been playing for 7 years hoss. That character has double digit lives all played through by yours truly including this very build. I missed the fighter level improvement but the rest of the build is a solid epic elite performer.... Until someone proves otherwise anyway (or turbine gimps the animal forms again). Trying to insult my play skill is a fairly pathetic move. You may want to skip the insults and stay on topic.

I wish you would continue the build discussion instead of crying about a bad attitude, saying I am 'not getting it' and running away but such is the DDO forums.

What you provided wasnt crisicism, it was insulting.

I know full well my build works in EE, I predominantly play EE, and it is very rare for any of my characters to be the reason the party misses out on 5% exp.

Once up on a time I would have agreed with you that dumping con was not a good idea. Those days have long since passed though. With Epic Destinies and the damge reduction / avoidance we can reach now, hp is not as important as it used to be.

Ill be honest I dont care how long youve been playing, or how many pastlives you've gotten. I know this game well, and I know character builds. I know your build & playstyle is a waste of potential, yet despite that I still managed to help you improve it , without insulting you.

Your welcome.

Daze
02-02-2014, 03:19 PM
What you provided wasnt crisicism, it was insulting.

I know full well my build works in EE, I predominantly play EE, and it is very rare for any of my characters to be the reason the party misses out on 5% exp.

Once up on a time I would have agreed with you that dumping con was not a good idea. Those days have long since passed though. With Epic Destinies and the damge reduction / avoidance we can reach now, hp is not as important as it used to be.

Ill be honest I dont care how long youve been playing, or how many pastlives you've gotten. I know this game well, and I know character builds. I know your build & playstyle is a waste of potential, yet despite that I still managed to help you improve it , without insulting you.

Your welcome.



Ive not gone dex based like you, and have fully accepted my reflex save isnt good enough for the higher level EE content.


I standby my criticism of your build. Don't take it so personally.

As for insults ... you attacked me not my build. I did not do the same. If you scroll up you will find my thanking your criticism and giving you rep for it. You did not do the same. That is the end of my arguing about it. Feel free to reread the posts. From now on keep it about the builds. The personal **** can take a walk.