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korsat
01-30-2014, 06:47 AM
Hi everyone,

my bard is sitting at 20 since u12 i think... He now got +20 heart of wood, 2 raider's boxes and random loots are pretty nice now to fix him and bring him to 28.

He's human 20 full bard, please tell me which direction to take with the wood:

- 14bard/4ranger/2rogue --> in fury twf tempest 90% off hand+furyshot+balanced attack twisted for nice cc and strong melee-ranged dps.

This is the only idea I have actually since I've been of of bard world for a while, can someone explain why the splits on bards normally start with 15 bard platform? what's the difference between 15 and 14?

Thanks guys, I apreciate any kind of help :)

Rawrargh
01-30-2014, 06:49 AM
Hi everyone,

my bard is sitting at 20 since u12 i think... He now got +20 heart of wood, 2 raider's boxes and random loots are pretty nice now to fix him and bring him to 28.

He's human 20 full bard, please tell me which direction to take with the wood:

- 14bard/4ranger/2rogue --> in fury twf tempest 90% off hand+furyshot+balanced attack twisted for nice cc and strong melee-ranged dps.

This is the only idea I have actually since I've been of of bard world for a while, can someone explain why the splits on bards normally start with 15 bard platform? what's the difference between 15 and 14?

Thanks guys, I apreciate any kind of help :)

http://ddowiki.com/page/Inspire_Excellence

This is why people insist on taking 15 levels of bard

unbongwah
01-30-2014, 08:56 AM
- 14bard/4ranger/2rogue --> in fury twf tempest 90% off hand+furyshot+balanced attack twisted for nice cc and strong melee-ranged dps.
See my Bardcher thread: basically 15/3/2 split trades Ram's Might & Prec Shot for Inspire Heroics+Excellence.

zaphear
01-30-2014, 09:02 AM
Well this all depends on your playstyle, are you more Caster CC type or Raging smash everything in your way type?

My current build is the later of the two.

human 18 bard 1 fighter 1 fvs

18 bard for decent DC and spells.. BAB cap clicky as well
1 fighter for Haste boost, early Martial weapon feat and extra feat.
1 fvs for Divine Might
54 strength right now at lvl 18 with a good two hander I destroy just about everything. And Irresistible Dance is super nice.


Another fun build I'll be trying in the future is
15 bard 5 rogue for a raging acrobat.

Teh_Troll
01-30-2014, 09:26 AM
This bard is excellent, I've seen it in action. If I were to remake one this would be the build.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/435460-Avatar-of-Eilistraee

zaphear
01-30-2014, 09:29 AM
This bard is excellent, I've seen it in action. If I were to remake one this would be the build.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/435460-Avatar-of-Eilistraee

hmm interesting build. I don't see myself going tier 5 spellsinger though, I much prefer more crit damage.. but that's just me. Or TWF for that matter, unless Ranger I hate wasting stat points in Dex.


Should note: I don't do epic content much, I get to 22-23 and TR. So maybe the tier 5 spellsinger is more useful in EE content

AzB
01-30-2014, 10:36 AM
I tried the cleric splash for DM route. But the PDK bard is an easier, smoother toon to play. Less click intensive, more flavor, and about 90% of the lethality.

Basically, PDK get cha to damage for a few weapons. Go thf and use greataxe/greatswords. And... here's the cool part... by boosting cha, you get to be a bard. With a bit of gear and maybe some wiz pls, Otto's irresistable will work on everything, even drow. No saving throw. You can get dance ball dcs well into the 50s sustainable. With pots and stuff, 60 is achievable. And of course you can always fall back on fascinate/enthrall for those times when it's appropriate. Very easy to get that dc over 100, and no save.

All the while, getting damage from the cha boosts as well for melee. Invest in the cleaves to get momentum swing and lay waste in LD, and you can blitz through any quest solo like you're a barb. Or use Fury in groups to get 15k crits with a bit more precision and grace when blitzing isn't possible.

From a bard.

Meanwhile, you get all the self healing, self buffing, umd, etc that a bard brings. Even though you won't be top shelf dps, you will contribute. And in some parties, lead the kill count.

And you'll still be a bard. And one of the really nice things about cha to damage... all those spammed str damage spells in epics? I laugh at them. I constantly run around feebled, exhausted, whatever. Str damage from cackle fever? Doesn't bother me a bit.

The weakness is defense and hp. But that's fixed easily enough with a little effort in gear and maybe a couple more pls. It's actually a bit easier to boost cha from the start because you're only boosting 2 stats (cha and con) instead of 3. (cha, con, and str) You can keep the 1 level of PDK, or go two levels of PDK for another feat. Or you can use a +1 heart (I found one in chest recently, so I figured I'd give it a try) and make a pure PDK bard.

It works well, is a very flexible toon. I can solo anything in LD, or be team player in Fury and help the party to any degree I like while still managing to kill more than the druid's pet dog. (which was a challenge for my other pure bard) I can cc anything, anywhere, using Otto's, songs, or even disco ball. I can even tank in Sentinel, although that's never come up. ;) So no matter what the party needs, I can fill in.

DM is ok, it works well on a str based bard. It lasts 2 mins and you generally have plenty of sp to keep it going non stop. But you give up quite a bit of being a bard. And it makes an already click happy toon just a little bit harder to manage what with rage, skaldik rage, dm, etc.

MadCookieQueen
01-30-2014, 11:24 AM
hmm interesting build. I don't see myself going tier 5 spellsinger though, I much prefer more crit damage.. but that's just me. Or TWF for that matter, unless Ranger I hate wasting stat points in Dex.


Should note: I don't do epic content much, I get to 22-23 and TR. So maybe the tier 5 spellsinger is more useful in EE content


With Drow you don't waste many stat points for Dex...so it does work and is efficient....and with a tome you can scale back the dex and only take what you need to get to the feats you want.

Trust me she crits like a BOSS!


The hot love action from the CC and song increases is worth every Enhancement point you put into the Spellsinger tree. don't discount the tree until you've seen the songs in action.

for anyone that has ever done an EE WGU....a Bard's crowd control is a game changer...usually (but not always) more effective than a wizzy.

MadCookieQueen
01-30-2014, 11:32 AM
DM is ok, it works well on a str based bard. It lasts 2 mins and you generally have plenty of sp to keep it going non stop. But you give up quite a bit of being a bard. And it makes an already click happy toon just a little bit harder to manage what with rage, skaldik rage, dm, etc.


Actually the DM times out right before a non-extended displacement at cap. Since you'll want displacement on ALL the time...setting it up next to displacement on your hot bar makes it easy to keep track. Don't forget the SP song will keep you going between shrines.

I don't know many other effective builds that aren't click happy or any harder to manage. You watch your buffs, click your clickies, cast your scrolls, swap your gear and so on just as much as you would here.

I just manage my hotbars in a way that groups all the buffs together for ease of clicking. However if you have a game pad or a really awesome mouse...you can just macro the whole thing...for even more ease.

korsat
01-30-2014, 01:41 PM
thanks guys for the responses!

so 15 as a bard platform is what i need, then I have human as race (will be LR) so no PKD. Also I want melee twf bard not cc (cc will be via fury and balanced attacks).

considering 15/3ranger/2rogue renuncing at rams might, will it have enough feats for both melee and ranged dps? I want extended quicken and empower healing at least as metamagics.

Another option is 15bard/4ranger/1fvs or cleric, I gain 1 more feat (precise shot) and divine might renuncing at evasion. Worth?

Thanks

Kanshoi
01-30-2014, 02:01 PM
thanks guys for the responses!

so 15 as a bard platform is what i need, then I have human as race (will be LR) so no PKD. Also I want melee twf bard not cc (cc will be via fury and balanced attacks).

considering 15/3ranger/2rogue renuncing at rams might, will it have enough feats for both melee and ranged dps? I want extended quicken and empower healing at least as metamagics.

Another option is 15bard/4ranger/1fvs or cleric, I gain 1 more feat (precise shot) and divine might renuncing at evasion. Worth?

Thanks

Another option would be going for 1 fighter, it gives you 1 feat, haste boost and +3 boosts, note that tempest haste boost and fighter haste boost share cooldowns but NOT charges, so you can easily have 11+11=22 haste boosts per shrine. And half of them coupled with human damage boost. Then you can get dreadnought or deepwood sniper damage boost aswelll in case you end up running out of boosts, but that depends on your playstile ofc. :)

Also on my bard i took spellsong vigor for endless sp instead of tier 5 warchanter, but that's again a matter of playstile.
hope it helps.

MadCookieQueen
01-30-2014, 02:04 PM
thanks guys for the responses!

so 15 as a bard platform is what i need, then I have human as race (will be LR) so no PKD. Also I want melee twf bard not cc (cc will be via fury and balanced attacks).

considering 15/3ranger/2rogue renuncing at rams might, will it have enough feats for both melee and ranged dps? I want extended quicken and empower healing at least as metamagics.

Another option is 15bard/4ranger/1fvs or cleric, I gain 1 more feat (precise shot) and divine might renuncing at evasion. Worth?

Thanks


Question: Why the obsession with Ranged DPS? If you try to serve two masters (range/melee) equally you'll get neither.

and for CC...if you aren't trying to at least have a decent Enthrall/Fascinate you're missing on one of the BIG bonuses to being a Bard...and survive.

extend isn't worth it (IMHO) there are better feats to serve your needs for DPS and survival.

korsat
01-30-2014, 02:51 PM
Question: Why the obsession with Ranged DPS? If you try to serve two masters (range/melee) equally you'll get neither.

and for CC...if you aren't trying to at least have a decent Enthrall/Fascinate you're missing on one of the BIG bonuses to being a Bard...and survive.

extend isn't worth it (IMHO) there are better feats to serve your needs for DPS and survival.

eheh it's not an obsession, I just find it useful for endgame and fun sometimes. Since I have the raider box for pinion and I'll play mostly in fury, having furyshot is a nice addition and an haste boosted manyshot recharges furies pretty fast.

About extended I don't know... maybe I'm lazy... I don't want to recast displacement and haste every 1.40 minuts...

By the way ofc perform skills and 30-40 cha will give me enough dc for enthrallment and fascinate.

@Kanshoi. Ill consider the fighter thing instead of fvs... trading essentially 10-15 strenght (5-8 damage per hit) for more haste boosts and 1 feat.

I'll try to figure out the feats I need (1human+7heroic+3epic = 11):

twf - free
bow strenght - free
rapid shot - free
precise shot - free if I go 4 ranger
1 point blank shot
2 manyshot
3 power attack
4 itwf
5 gtwf
6 extended
7 quicken
8 empower healing
9 improving critical: slash
10 improving critical: ranged
11 cleave
12 great cleave
13 overwhelming critical
14 inspire excellence

This is bad, 3 more feats :) can drop cleaves and overwhelming critical probably if I decide for 15/4ranger/1fvs, quicken and extended if i decide 15/4ranger/1fighter or cleaves, OC and quicken or extended if I decide for 15/3ranger/2rogue.

Mmmm apart from this I should make calculations on enhancements too. fighter will be a heavy investment for the extra action boosts.

Difficult...

MadCookieQueen
01-30-2014, 03:21 PM
eheh it's not an obsession, I just find it useful for endgame and fun sometimes. Since I have the raider box for pinion and I'll play mostly in fury, having furyshot is a nice addition and an haste boosted manyshot recharges furies pretty fast.

About extended I don't know... maybe I'm lazy... I don't want to recast displacement and haste every 1.40 minuts...

By the way ofc perform skills and 30-40 cha will give me enough dc for enthrallment and fascinate.




If you are doing TWF don't burn that box on a Pinion...grab 2 Balizardes or 2 Celestias (boss beaters only) or 2 Nightmares (I knwo they got nerfed...but they look awesome)...you will be serve a million times more.


I have a Ranger...mostly melee a small nod towards range...and no, Furies charge supremely faster when I'm hitting things than if I'm manyshotting. Also without being a dedicated Archer the fury shot damage you'll do won't be much better than what you could be doing with melee...both will be mediocre. Again serving two masters will get you neither....go more towards one end of the scale...do not try to balance it...there's sooo much to be loss by being a generalist and not a specialist...trust me on that.


At lvl 28 your Displacement will last 2.5 minutes...it's not that bad to have to recast...you get used to it. You'll regret burning a feat...but hey it's why we have Fred.

AzB
01-30-2014, 11:20 PM
I don't know many other effective builds that aren't click happy or any harder to manage. You watch your buffs, click your clickies, cast your scrolls, swap your gear and so on just as much as you would here.



I didn't say it wasn't click happy, I said it was *less* click happy. There's no need for rage, skaldic rage, or dm every couple of minutes because cha to damage is always on. This also saves a couple spell slots and enhancement points as well.

No, it's not a big deal. I was simply pointing out that it's a benefit.

There's another interesting feature of the PDK class that gives you your entire cha bonus (well over +20 at end game) to you and *your entire party* for two minutes once per rest. Currently it's bugged, but it's a pretty cool bonus and very bard-like as it affects the whole party.

I tried them both and found playing the PDK bard to be much more like a bard, and not like a fighter with a bard splash and a weird level of cleric. While still giving me 90% of the same melee capability full time. If I run in LD or Fury, my damage is about the same, my crits are pretty close to the same. But I can also run other destinies that boost DC or cha and get more spell based CC as well as more melee damage. It's quite nice not to be locked in to one destiny, especially if you're going to be doing ETRs.

I think it goes back to the jack of all trades that the bard is supposed to be.

But hey, the fighter based bard works fine if that's what makes you happy. That's the great thing about this game, the flexibility and personalization of the toons. I just thought I'd share some of what I found playing a bard through two different builds and comparing my experience.

korsat
02-03-2014, 03:17 PM
ok guys you convinced me to try the 18/1fighter/1fvs route! I'll drop the ranged ability for the moment to get 2x belizarde (something better from chests?)

inspired by https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/435460-Avatar-of-Eilistraee

briefly a summary for my LR:

Human 32pb starting stats:

16 +3 tome +7 lvl ups
14 +3 tome
14 +3 tome
8 +2 tome
8 +2 tome
16 +3 tome

B(FVS)BBBBBFBBBBBBBBBBBB

Feats:
Base: Extended (1), Empower healing (3), cleave (6), Quicken (9), great cleave (12), itwf (15), gtwf (18), Inspire Excellence (21), OC (24), ? (27),
Human: Power attack (1)
Fighter: twf (8)
Destiny: Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting (26), positive spellpower +20 (28)

Enhancements: basically same as eilistraee (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/435460-Avatar-of-Eilistraee ) but I'll try to spend 31 ap in WC tree to get victorysong (full bab).

Gear... I will have time to think more about it since I have to lvl it up to 28 but Ill go for mostly random at the beginning.

Only question about weapons, Balizardes look cool and save me a feat (no improve critical needed) worth 2x balizardes or better 1x and something else? tell me before I waste a box :) maybe 2 nightmares? mh

Ailaesaedol
02-03-2014, 05:21 PM
ok guys you convinced me to try the 18/1fighter/1fvs route! I'll drop the ranged ability for the moment to get 2x belizarde (something better from chests?)

inspired by https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/435460-Avatar-of-Eilistraee

briefly a summary for my LR:

Human 32pb starting stats:

16 +3 tome +7 lvl ups
14 +3 tome
14 +3 tome
8 +2 tome
8 +2 tome
16 +3 tome

B(FVS)BBBBBFBBBBBBBBBBBB

Feats:
Base: Extended (1), Empower healing (3), cleave (6), Quicken (9), great cleave (12), itwf (15), gtwf (18), Inspire Excellence (21), OC (24), ? (27),
Human: Power attack (1)
Fighter: twf (8)
Destiny: Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting (26), positive spellpower +20 (28)

Enhancements: basically same as eilistraee (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/435460-Avatar-of-Eilistraee ) but I'll try to spend 31 ap in WC tree to get victorysong (full bab).

Gear... I will have time to think more about it since I have to lvl it up to 28 but Ill go for mostly random at the beginning.

Only question about weapons, Balizardes look cool and save me a feat (no improve critical needed) worth 2x balizardes or better 1x and something else? tell me before I waste a box :) maybe 2 nightmares? mh

I have a similar theme to yours (mine is bard15/fight4/FvS1) and I use a Drow rapier of stunning +10 in my off hand. It has a very nice crit profile (crits on a 13 with imp crit). And you need imp crit anyways if you want overwhelming crit.

If youre thinking about going the dmg boost option in the human enhancements with +3 STR coupled with haste boost from fighter, you could try and fit in Quick Draw. It also cuts down the time it takes to switch to scrolls/clickies. Its not essential, but its very nice to have.

MadCookieQueen
02-04-2014, 07:34 AM
ok guys you convinced me to try the 18/1fighter/1fvs route! I'll drop the ranged ability for the moment to get 2x belizarde (something better from chests?)

inspired by https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/435460-Avatar-of-Eilistraee

briefly a summary for my LR:

Human 32pb starting stats:

16 +3 tome +7 lvl ups
14 +3 tome
14 +3 tome
8 +2 tome
8 +2 tome
16 +3 tome

B(FVS)BBBBBFBBBBBBBBBBBB

Feats:
Base: Extended (1), Empower healing (3), cleave (6), Quicken (9), great cleave (12), itwf (15), gtwf (18), Inspire Excellence (21), OC (24), ? (27),
Human: Power attack (1)
Fighter: twf (8)
Destiny: Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting (26), positive spellpower +20 (28)

Enhancements: basically same as eilistraee (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/435460-Avatar-of-Eilistraee ) but I'll try to spend 31 ap in WC tree to get victorysong (full bab).

Gear... I will have time to think more about it since I have to lvl it up to 28 but Ill go for mostly random at the beginning.

Only question about weapons, Balizardes look cool and save me a feat (no improve critical needed) worth 2x balizardes or better 1x and something else? tell me before I waste a box :) maybe 2 nightmares? mh


If you plan on using Fascinate or even Enthrall...really watch those cleaves...you'll actually cause more problem than it's worth. I seriously can't tell you about all the times that busting out some CC and picking off the motionless one at a time has saved my tail end in a quest...especially when DA hits red.

Also I would start with Bard for level one as you'll really REALLY want to jack your perform and UMD right from the start.

At end game you'll have pretty kick butt BAB so I'm not quite sure if Victory Song (and it's bugs) are REALLY worth it. Though enhancements reset very easily.


You'll need Exotic weapon Bastard sword to make the nightmares work...I mean REALLY work. If you want to try that...drop Extend and bring in the Exotic weapon...recasting the buffs isn't a big deal (IMHO).


However...go Balizardes...that would be worth your boxes. Also there's kind of a nifty genre thing about Bards and Rapiers. For a good boss beater...aka...not worried about messing up your own CC...grab a pair of Celestias.


Personally I like Drow for Bards more weapon damage for rapiers and short swords and a higher base charisma...but human works pretty well....if you are worried about some healing amp and need the feat...which I think you do.

MadCookieQueen
02-04-2014, 07:37 AM
If youre thinking about going the dmg boost option in the human enhancements with +3 STR coupled with haste boost from fighter, you could try and fit in Quick Draw. It also cuts down the time it takes to switch to scrolls/clickies. Its not essential, but its very nice to have.


I wouldn't advise quick draw at all...1 second save is not worth a feat slot.

katz
02-04-2014, 07:58 AM
If you plan on using Fascinate or even Enthrall...really watch those cleaves...you'll actually cause more problem than it's worth.

i am a bard with greataxes and cleaves... just gotta know when, and how, to use teh cleaves, and i have several 1 handed weapons (including a pair of Balizardes and an eElyd's among other things) in reserve for picking off singles in a fascinated pack.



I seriously can't tell you about all the times that busting out some CC and picking off the motionless one at a time has saved my tail end in a quest...especially when DA hits red.

oooooh yeah. i love doing that :D

korsat
02-04-2014, 11:22 AM
Thanks for the replies! Yes i forgot "ic: something" to qualify for OC so I changed a bit my feats:

Feats:
Base: Extended (1), Empower healing (3), cleave (6), Quicken (9), itwf (12), ic:slash (15), gtwf (18), Inspire Excellence (21), great cleave (24), OC (27)
Human: Power attack (1)
Fighter: twf (8)
Destiny: Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting (26), positive spellpower +20 (28)

I'll stay with balizardes, can swap to some good slashing weapons since now I have the feat, maybe drow weapons. No room for nightmares.

Regarding cleaves... I just use them to pick up OC and maybe to charge blitz. will see... can always use my free lr after...


@madcookie: "At end game you'll have pretty kick butt BAB so I'm not quite sure if Victory Song (and it's bugs) are REALLY worth it. Though enhancements reset very easily."

which type of bug? I read it deactivates sometimes on log out but still +5 bab when active and casting tenser too often is annoying.

MadCookieQueen
02-04-2014, 12:32 PM
Thanks for the replies! Yes i forgot "ic: something" to qualify for OC so I changed a bit my feats:

Feats:
Base: Extended (1), Empower healing (3), cleave (6), Quicken (9), itwf (12), ic:slash (15), gtwf (18), Inspire Excellence (21), great cleave (24), OC (27)
Human: Power attack (1)
Fighter: twf (8)
Destiny: Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting (26), positive spellpower +20 (28)

I'll stay with balizardes, can swap to some good slashing weapons since now I have the feat, maybe drow weapons. No room for nightmares.

Regarding cleaves... I just use them to pick up OC and maybe to charge blitz. will see... can always use my free lr after...


@madcookie: "At end game you'll have pretty kick butt BAB so I'm not quite sure if Victory Song (and it's bugs) are REALLY worth it. Though enhancements reset very easily."

which type of bug? I read it deactivates sometimes on log out but still +5 bab when active and casting tenser too often is annoying.


for using Balizardes you need IC: Pierce not slashing....same applies to Celestias. also epic Elyd is a rapier.

It's not just on log out...death, rest, zone changes it can all go poof....so you'll have to pay more attention to it than you think.

As for Tenser's...I use that when doing big battles. I don't find it practical to have on all the time...just when I need that extra oomph.

unbongwah
02-04-2014, 01:15 PM
for using Balizardes you need IC: Pierce not slashing....same applies to Celestias. also epic Elyd is a rapier.
Actually, for Balizarde you don't need anything, since it's already keen.

MadCookieQueen
02-04-2014, 01:18 PM
Actually, for Balizarde you don't need anything, since it's already keen.

forgot all about that...(though you still want it for Epic Elyd and Celestia)


<backs away slowly...apologizes to the crowd>

Ailaesaedol
02-04-2014, 05:44 PM
I wouldn't advise quick draw at all...1 second save is not worth a feat slot.

Its nice to have if you're dual boosting, you'll lose 3 secs in total without it. Like I said, its nice if you can fit it but its not essential. It also cuts down the down time in your attack sequence after stunning blow, so theres that too :)

korsat
02-14-2014, 08:18 AM
Actually leveling up my bard with 18/1fighter/1fvs split, thanks MadCookie for the nice build (avatar of Eilistraee). Hitting 56 strenght easy at lvl 23 with crappy gear, this will be easy 80 at cap. I think this is the best split for a full twf bard.

Looking at the future I still have the idea of trying ranged thing. I need to write it somewhere before I lose the idea :) so here it is:

I would call this the max dps bard. 4 ranger for 10% off hand, rams might, sneak attack, morphic arrows, haste boosts and free feats + 1 fvs for divine might.

Before you say anything I know this will be very ap intensive: 4 fvs, 26 ranger, 3 human (damage boost+10%amplification), 47 bard. I will not be able to max all the spellsinger and wc trees but I dont worry much about it, thinking about going only one of the two, spending only 7-10 aps in the second.

I'll try to figure out the feats I need (1human+7heroic+3epic = 11):

twf - free
bow strenght - free
rapid shot - free
precise shot - free
1 point blank shot
2 manyshot
3 power attack
4 itwf
5 gtwf
6 extended
7 quicken
8 empower healing
9 improving critical: slash
10 improving critical: ranged
11 inspire excellence
OUT: cleaves and OC (dont think I'll be able to put those in)

gears: balizarde offhand, axe of adaxus main hand (ic: slash - well can grab 2nd balizarde and free 1 feat slot), pinion with planar fous set. Still need to think about other gears.

Sokól
02-15-2014, 01:04 PM
Actually leveling up my bard with 18/1fighter/1fvs split, thanks MadCookie for the nice build (avatar of Eilistraee). Hitting 56 strenght easy at lvl 23 with crappy gear, this will be easy 80 at cap. I think this is the best split for a full twf bard.

Looking at the future I still have the idea of trying ranged thing. I need to write it somewhere before I lose the idea :) so here it is:

I would call this the max dps bard. 4 ranger for 10% off hand, rams might, sneak attack, morphic arrows, haste boosts and free feats + 1 fvs for divine might.

Before you say anything I know this will be very ap intensive: 4 fvs, 26 ranger, 3 human (damage boost+10%amplification), 47 bard. I will not be able to max all the spellsinger and wc trees but I dont worry much about it, thinking about going only one of the two, spending only 7-10 aps in the second.

I'll try to figure out the feats I need (1human+7heroic+3epic = 11):

twf - free
bow strenght - free
rapid shot - free
precise shot - free
1 point blank shot
2 manyshot
3 power attack
4 itwf
5 gtwf
6 extended
7 quicken
8 empower healing
9 improving critical: slash
10 improving critical: ranged
11 inspire excellence
OUT: cleaves and OC (dont think I'll be able to put those in)

gears: balizarde offhand, axe of adaxus main hand (ic: slash - well can grab 2nd balizarde and free 1 feat slot), pinion with planar focus set. Still need to think about other gears.

I would swap pa with precision when you are not going for the cleaves, having high fort bypass and good to hit is really underestimated dps imo.

MadCookieQueen
02-16-2014, 11:07 PM
Actually leveling up my bard with 18/1fighter/1fvs split, thanks MadCookie for the nice build (avatar of Eilistraee). Hitting 56 strenght easy at lvl 23 with crappy gear, this will be easy 80 at cap. I think this is the best split for a full twf bard.



Out of curiosity why the Favored Soul instead of the Cleric?

You lose out on some AP cheap healing power and the +75% to your heal scrolls (you only need 4 AP in cleric's radiant servant for that...to get that in FVS you'll need 3 levels of FVS and then it'll be 13 AP for it)

unbongwah
02-16-2014, 11:12 PM
You lose out on some AP cheap healing power and the +75% to your heal scrolls (you only need 4 AP in cleric's radiant servant for that...to get that in FVS you'll need 3 levels of FVS and then it'll be 13 AP for it)
Bards get W&S Mastery too; it costs 6 APs to max out since they need to take Wand Heightening as well. Although cleric does also offer DV from DiDi & +10 Pos Spellpower from Altruism.

korsat
02-17-2014, 03:30 AM
Out of curiosity why the Favored Soul instead of the Cleric?

You lose out on some AP cheap healing power and the +75% to your heal scrolls (you only need 4 AP in cleric's radiant servant for that...to get that in FVS you'll need 3 levels of FVS and then it'll be 13 AP for it)

fvs is just for +2 reflex and little sp more. I don't care about scrolls I don't think I'll use much :)

by the way, tested victory song it bugs here and there too often! :|

MadCookieQueen
02-17-2014, 08:21 AM
Bards get W&S Mastery too; it costs 6 APs to max out since they need to take Wand Heightening as well. Although cleric does also offer DV from DiDi & +10 Pos Spellpower from Altruism.

Again she's relatively AP tight...even 2 points makes a difference. And the one core of radiant servant helps with spell power...it's not much but hey every bit does help ^^


fvs is just for +2 reflex and little sp more. I don't care about scrolls I don't think I'll use much :)

by the way, tested victory song it bugs here and there too often! :|


+2 reflex...isn't going to save you in epic content...since her final saves aren't near enough in the first place for it to really matter. Which is why CC is sooo dang important...especially in EE's (I run mostly EEs). The difference is 50 SP...to me it's not worth the trade off from losing radiant servant. Especially not when with the spell regen song...each song duration gets you about 300...I usually pop that around the 50% mark. Also you can get things like twisted talisman, the archivist necklace and with extra greensteel you can make a high SP item...walk in...have that on...buff...then switch gear over...no loss of SP.

Trust me...you use a lot more scrolls than you think...especially in a raid when the healer goes down and you have to switch hats and keep the tank standing. It's better to be prepared than caught with your pants down going "oh I didn't think I'd actually use them" ^^ (I wish I could say I was joking but I've seen this happen in raids or long quests...also I love it when the FVS is like...dang it Jim I'm a fighter not a healer)

Yeah victory song just isn't worth the aggravation.


Anyways...much more happy with your bard now???

katz
02-17-2014, 09:25 AM
Trust me...you use a lot more scrolls than you think...especially in a raid when the healer goes down and you have to switch hats and keep the tank standing. It's better to be prepared than caught with your pants down going "oh I didn't think I'd actually use them" ^^ (I wish I could say I was joking but I've seen this happen in raids or long quests...also I love it when the FVS is like...dang it Jim I'm a fighter not a healer)

^^^ this.

even on my "in your face fury-ing cleaving butt-kicking only fascinate in emergencies" main bard, which seems to be a different playstyle than MadCookieQueen enjoys XD, i still carry ON AVERAGE anywhere between 100 to 300 heal scrolls... and of course the scroll mastery to make them worth a darn. THIS is one of the things that i keep saying makes bards so darn awesome. even if you havn't built to be a hjealer (i have very little positive spellpower built in to my build, and little to no devotion items equipped) you can step into that role at a moment's notice... quite frequently saving the day in the process. and if that fails... fascinate and raise scrolls... and if THAT fails... DD and get the **** out of Dodge with the stones... and raise scrolls...

anyone who thinks bards suck is barely scratching the surface of what it means to be a bard... they need to look farther.

MadCookieQueen
02-17-2014, 11:00 AM
anyone who thinks bards suck is barely scratching the surface of what it means to be a bard... they need to look farther.


A billion time this^^^

Ungood
02-17-2014, 12:23 PM
anyone who thinks bards suck is barely scratching the surface of what it means to be a bard... they need to look farther.

I can't wait till we dual bard.

Ailaesaedol
02-17-2014, 07:13 PM
+2 reflex...isn't going to save you in epic content...since her final saves aren't near enough in the first place for it to really matter. Which is why CC is sooo dang important...especially in EE's (I run mostly EEs). The difference is 50 SP...to me it's not worth the trade off from losing radiant servant. Especially not when with the spell regen song...

Its actually closer to 200SP, besides, he may not have the sp song. The extra crit multiplier in WC is pretty tasty for a DPS (up to x5 crit on a 19-20 with overwhelming crit on my Balizardes). 2 AP is easily salvaged.

But if I redid my toon, I wouldve taken cleric instead of FvS.

korsat
02-27-2014, 01:40 PM
Actually leveling up my bard with 18/1fighter/1fvs split, thanks MadCookie for the nice build (avatar of Eilistraee). Hitting 56 strenght easy at lvl 23 with crappy gear, this will be easy 80 at cap. I think this is the best split for a full twf bard.

Looking at the future I still have the idea of trying ranged thing. I need to write it somewhere before I lose the idea :) so here it is:

I would call this the max dps bard. 4 ranger for 10% off hand, rams might, sneak attack, morphic arrows, haste boosts and free feats + 1 fvs for divine might.

Before you say anything I know this will be very ap intensive: 4 fvs, 26 ranger, 3 human (damage boost+10%amplification), 47 bard. I will not be able to max all the spellsinger and wc trees but I dont worry much about it, thinking about going only one of the two, spending only 7-10 aps in the second.

I'll try to figure out the feats I need (1human+7heroic+3epic = 11):

twf - free
bow strenght - free
rapid shot - free
precise shot - free
1 point blank shot
2 manyshot
3 power attack
4 itwf
5 gtwf
6 extended
7 quicken
8 empower healing
9 improving critical: slash
10 improving critical: ranged
11 inspire excellence
OUT: cleaves and OC (dont think I'll be able to put those in)

gears: balizarde offhand, axe of adaxus main hand (ic: slash - well can grab 2nd balizarde and free 1 feat slot), pinion with planar focus set. Still need to think about other gears.

Ok another idea comes at my mind, I know this may scare you a bit: 10bard/9ranger/1fvs. To fit in evasion and more free feats:

B(fvs)RRRRRRBBBBBBBBBRRR

feats(1human+7heroic+3epic=11):
twf - free
bow strenght - free
rapid shot - free
precise shot - free
manyshot - free
itwf - free
1 power attack
2 extended
3 point blank shot
4 quicken
5 empower healing
6 gtwf
7 improving critical: slash
8 improving critical: ranged
9 cleave
10 great cleave
11 OC

gonna lose inspire excellence and spells duration, I just want to keep track of this since it looks like a complete build.

EDIT: new idea 11ranger/8bard/1fvs for free ips and gtwf, renuncing at greatness, fom and cure critical wounds.

feats(1human+7heroic+3epic=11):
twf - free
bow strenght - free
rapid shot - free
precise shot - free
manyshot - free
itwf - free
gtwf - free
ips - free
1 power attack
2 extended
3 point blank shot
4 quicken
5 empower healing
6 improving critical: slash
7 improving critical: ranged
8 cleave
9 great cleave
10 OC
11 blinding speed (haste doesn't last long enough)

still prefer the 10 bard platform but i need to remember all the good and bad ideas :)